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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 20, 2023 12:49:43 GMT
Triple killer sentenced to life in prison, again. Lawrence Bierton was sentenced to life in prison in 1996 for murdering two people. He was released on licence in 2017 (21 years for murdering two people) He was recalled to prison in July 2018 for repeated failures to address his behaviour. He was released for a second time in May 2020 and murdered again in 2021 - linkIf Lawrence Bierton had been executed for committing double murder in 1996, his third victim Pauline Quinn would be alive today. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 20, 2023 13:00:25 GMT
Triple killer sentenced to life in prison, again. Lawrence Bierton was sentenced to life in prison in 1996 for murdering two people. He was released on licence in 2017 (21 years for murdering two people) He was recalled to prison in July 2018 for repeated failures to address his behaviour. He was released for a second time in May 2020 and murdered again in 2021 - linkIf Lawrence Bierton had been executed for committing double murder in 1996, his third victim Pauline Quinn would be alive today. Totally agree.
When the death penalty was abolished the public were told that life would mean life. Now too many murderers get released to kill again.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 20, 2023 13:13:51 GMT
Totally agree. When the death penalty was abolished the public were told that life would mean life. Now too many murderers get released to kill again. Indeed, yet today judges are told to send fewar people to prison, and offenders who are sent to prison often get lenient sentences. Rather than going soft on crime and punishment, we should quite obviously build more prisons. And it wouldn't be a bad thing if one or two had gallows. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 20, 2023 13:55:36 GMT
Triple killer sentenced to life in prison, again. Lawrence Bierton was sentenced to life in prison in 1996 for murdering two people. He was released on licence in 2017 (21 years for murdering two people) He was recalled to prison in July 2018 for repeated failures to address his behaviour. He was released for a second time in May 2020 and murdered again in 2021 - linkIf Lawrence Bierton had been executed for committing double murder in 1996, his third victim Pauline Quinn would be alive today. Typical hard right extremism. Make life in Prison mean exactly that, by law. I.E. no reprieve for Murder. There is absolutely no logical reason for this individual to be allowed to go free a second time, never mind the first time. Tighten up the law, that's all that is needed. Incidentally, IIRC the UK was the last country in Europe to abolish the death penalty. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 20, 2023 14:01:11 GMT
Totally agree. When the death penalty was abolished the public were told that life would mean life. Now too many murderers get released to kill again. Indeed, yet today judges are told to send fewar people to prison, and offenders who are sent to prison often get lenient sentences. Rather than going soft on crime and punishment, we should quite obviously build more prisons. And it wouldn't be a bad thing if one or two had gallows. Just think Red how much capital punsihment would save Italian tax payers.
Pakistani 'honour killing' parents are jailed for life in Italy over the murder of their daughter, 18, who had her neck broken when she refused an arranged marriage
Saman Abbas, 18, was living near Bologna when she disappeared in May 2021
She had rejected her family's demands to marry a cousin, with a court ruling that her parents had ordered her killing and that she was strangled by her uncle
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 20, 2023 14:15:21 GMT
Typical hard right extremism. Make life in Prison mean exactly that, by law. I.E. no reprieve for Murder. There is absolutely no logical reason for this individual to be allowed to go free a second time, never mind the first time. Tighten up the law, that's all that is needed. Incidentally, IIRC the UK was the last country in Europe to abolish the death penalty. ' hard right extremism'! Pillock. 55 years ago when capital punishment was abolished (For most capital crimes) the establishment assured a sceptical electorate that life would mean life, Ha. In the 1960's the train robbers got 30 years for stealing money, today a murderer will serve half that before being considered for parole. Even to an outraged lefty like you it must be patently obvious why our prisons are full punishment is no deterrent and crime is out of control. That's right, thanks to progressive trendy lefties we have gone soft on crime. It ain't rocket science. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 20, 2023 14:22:18 GMT
Indeed, yet today judges are told to send fewar people to prison, and offenders who are sent to prison often get lenient sentences. Rather than going soft on crime and punishment, we should quite obviously build more prisons. And it wouldn't be a bad thing if one or two had gallows. Just think Red how much capital punsihment would save Italian tax payers.
Pakistani 'honour killing' parents are jailed for life in Italy over the murder of their daughter, 18, who had her neck broken when she refused an arranged marriage
Saman Abbas, 18, was living near Bologna when she disappeared in May 2021
She had rejected her family's demands to marry a cousin, with a court ruling that her parents had ordered her killing and that she was strangled by her uncle
Even if we had capital punishment, I somehow doubt the establishment would sentence anyone from a 'persecuted' minority to death, regardless of crime. Perhaps that's the reason it wont be reintroduced, I mean imagine the reaction if a Muslim who beheaded someone in the street was actually sentenced to judicial execution. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 20, 2023 14:35:28 GMT
You are as confused as ever Red.
As we discussed the last time you bought up Capital Punishment, we will not be reverting back to Capital Punishment in this country for all the reasons that have been explained to you so many times before. Honestly mate you seem to be a bit like a hamster running round and round the same old wheel seemingly learning nothing as you go. Nor will we be having whole life sentences for the vast majority of homicide cases. I am afraid the harsh reality is that some people who have served time for very serious offences will commit further serious crimes. I am afraid unless you have a policy of locking up everybody, you can never fully eliminate risk.
The prisons are full because we send too many people, especially relatively minor offenders to prison and then do nothing to rehabilitate them when there and then seem surprised when they reoffend. Not sure if the bill to abandon short term prison sentences went through before Christmas but definitely the right way to go. Again the Dutch example illustrates the point. They cut short sentences, saved loads of money, invested some in rehabilitation, cut reoffending rates and therefore reduced the number of crime victims. We have been pain fully slow to copy their example but may finally be starting t move in the right direction.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 20, 2023 15:41:16 GMT
You are as confused as ever Red. As we discussed the last time you bought up Capital Punishment, we will not be reverting back to Capital Punishment in this country for all the reasons that have been explained to you so many times before. Honestly mate you seem to be a bit like a hamster running round and round the same old wheel seemingly learning nothing as you go. Nor will we be having whole life sentences for the vast majority of homicide cases. I am afraid the harsh reality is that some people who have served time for very serious offences will commit further serious crimes. I am afraid unless you have a policy of locking up everybody, you can never fully eliminate risk. The prisons are full because we send too many people, especially relatively minor offenders to prison and then do nothing to rehabilitate them when there and then seem surprised when they reoffend. Not sure if the bill to abandon short term prison sentences went through before Christmas but definitely the right way to go. Again the Dutch example illustrates the point. They cut short sentences, saved loads of money, invested some in rehabilitation, cut reoffending rates and therefore reduced the number of crime victims. We have been pain fully slow to copy their example but may finally be starting t move in the right direction.
Oh, Dippy.
It's been explained to you time and again that regimes that follow Red's principles have far lower crime rates than those which follow yours.
And that really all there is to it.
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Post by dappy on Dec 20, 2023 15:56:46 GMT
You are as confused as ever Red. As we discussed the last time you bought up Capital Punishment, we will not be reverting back to Capital Punishment in this country for all the reasons that have been explained to you so many times before. Honestly mate you seem to be a bit like a hamster running round and round the same old wheel seemingly learning nothing as you go. Nor will we be having whole life sentences for the vast majority of homicide cases. I am afraid the harsh reality is that some people who have served time for very serious offences will commit further serious crimes. I am afraid unless you have a policy of locking up everybody, you can never fully eliminate risk. The prisons are full because we send too many people, especially relatively minor offenders to prison and then do nothing to rehabilitate them when there and then seem surprised when they reoffend. Not sure if the bill to abandon short term prison sentences went through before Christmas but definitely the right way to go. Again the Dutch example illustrates the point. They cut short sentences, saved loads of money, invested some in rehabilitation, cut reoffending rates and therefore reduced the number of crime victims. We have been pain fully slow to copy their example but may finally be starting t move in the right direction.
Oh, Dippy.
It's been explained to you time and again that regimes that follow Red's principles have far lower crime rates than those which follow yours.
And that really all there is to it.
This is a weird post (ignoring the silly name calling) If you are referring to capital punishment, the only comparable Western country that still has capital punishment is the US which has a murder rate per 100k people five times higher than ours If you are referring to more minor offences, we incarcerate people at a far higher rate than the vast majority of (all?) Western Europe countries and have a higher crime rate and reoffending rate than the vast majority (all?) those countries. Could you give a source for what you are referring to? |
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Post by see2 on Dec 20, 2023 16:14:06 GMT
Typical hard right extremism. Make life in Prison mean exactly that, by law. I.E. no reprieve for Murder. There is absolutely no logical reason for this individual to be allowed to go free a second time, never mind the first time. Tighten up the law, that's all that is needed. Incidentally, IIRC the UK was the last country in Europe to abolish the death penalty. ' hard right extremism'! Pillock. 55 years ago when capital punishment was abolished (For most capital crimes) the establishment assured a sceptical electorate that life would mean life, Ha. In the 1960's the train robbers got 30 years for stealing money, today a murderer will serve half that before being considered for parole. Even to an outraged lefty like you it must be patently obvious why our prisons are full punishment is no deterrent and crime is out of control. That's right, thanks to progressive trendy lefties we have gone soft on crime. It ain't rocket science. You post like an outraged Far Righty screaming for extremism. Which is why such Righties must never gain control, between your extremism and the unbelievable horrors of extreme right wing control in many countries, it is clear that avoiding this extremism is a necessity. Punishment is no deterrent, neither is the death penalty. For me three things need to happen: 1. Correct the law. 2. Ensure that mothers in particular learn and understand the needs, not wants, of the child, and especially those of the male child. 3. Greater fairness in a 'one people society'. If the country would clean up its act there would be far less crime to have to deal with. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 20, 2023 16:17:52 GMT
You are as confused as ever Red. As we discussed the last time you bought up Capital Punishment, we will not be reverting back to Capital Punishment in this country for all the reasons that have been explained to you so many times before. Honestly mate you seem to be a bit like a hamster running round and round the same old wheel seemingly learning nothing as you go. Nor will we be having whole life sentences for the vast majority of homicide cases. I am afraid the harsh reality is that some people who have served time for very serious offences will commit further serious crimes. I am afraid unless you have a policy of locking up everybody, you can never fully eliminate risk. The prisons are full because we send too many people, especially relatively minor offenders to prison and then do nothing to rehabilitate them when there and then seem surprised when they reoffend. Not sure if the bill to abandon short term prison sentences went through before Christmas but definitely the right way to go. Again the Dutch example illustrates the point. They cut short sentences, saved loads of money, invested some in rehabilitation, cut reoffending rates and therefore reduced the number of crime victims. We have been pain fully slow to copy their example but may finally be starting t move in the right direction.
Oh, Dippy.
It's been explained to you time and again that regimes that follow Red's principles have far lower crime rates than those which follow yours.
And that really all there is to it.
Except that some have a massive "disappeared" rate. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 20, 2023 16:34:18 GMT
Oh, Dippy. It's been explained to you time and again that regimes that follow Red's principles have far lower crime rates than those which follow yours. And that really all there is to it.
This is a weird post (ignoring the silly name calling) If you are referring to capital punishment, the only comparable Western country that still has capital punishment is the US which has a murder rate per 100k people five times higher than ours If you are referring to more minor offences, we incarcerate people at a far higher rate than the vast majority of (all?) Western Europe countries and have a higher crime rate and reoffending rate than the vast majority (all?) those countries. Could you give a source for what you are referring to? Yep. Try Singapore or Saudi for starters. Or, failing that, anywhere else that puts public safety above the "rights" of criminals. |
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Post by bancroft on Dec 20, 2023 16:51:58 GMT
Be careful with capital punishment if Police cannot solve murders sometimes they fix-up the closest suspect.
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 20, 2023 16:55:31 GMT
Be careful with capital punishment if Police cannot solve murders sometimes they fix-up the closest suspect. DNA and forensic science have moved on since the days of fitting people up.
If capital punishment was ever restored it would be 100% guaranteed the person was guilty, because the police might lie but DNA doesn't.
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