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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 4:51:14 GMT
Lets see. Bombing hospitals, schools and places of worship. Stripping and parading 'prisoners'. Shooting people carrying white flags. Displacing 1.9 million people. Using white phosphorus on civilians. Using 2000lb bombs. You are supporting genocide. The point of course is how do you know. Whose reporting are you relying on and which reporting do you discard as false and which do you accept as Kosher, so to speak. We know something is happening. Are you saying that there is a worldwide conspiracy to put out false news about Israel on all news channels worldwide? There is no one source it is on news channels in all countries everywhere. Israel itself has admitted he majority of it.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 29, 2023 7:54:10 GMT
Yet you believed Hamas when they said that Israel had bombed and destroyed the Al-Ahli Hospital and killed 500 people - yet when the pictures emerged the 'bomb' hadn't even destroyed all the cars in the car park. Why were you not more circumspect then? Israel said it was a Hamas rocket and gave no evidence, Israel admitted bombing it. Israel denied bombing it and you believed Hamas when they claimed that 500 died - are you feeling a bit silly for taking their word on trust?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 8:59:41 GMT
Israel said it was a Hamas rocket and gave no evidence, Israel admitted bombing it. Israel denied bombing it and you believed Hamas when they claimed that 500 died - are you feeling a bit silly for taking their word on trust? "Israel denied bombing it", have you heard what you have just said?? Of course Israel denied it, that's what they do, tell lies. Hamas does not have the ordinance to create such devastation and if they did why are so few people killed, if any, when Hamas rockets get through the Israeli defences, as they do. Israel has also said that they bombed 'close' to the hospital.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 29, 2023 11:00:02 GMT
You are either an idiot or a troll. Or you're a pro-Hamas fanatic. And, since you've adduced no evidence for your claims and even admit that you don't know the truth, we can only conclude the latter.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 29, 2023 11:08:00 GMT
The point of course is how do you know. Whose reporting are you relying on and which reporting do you discard as false and which do you accept as Kosher, so to speak. We know something is happening. Are you saying that there is a worldwide conspiracy to put out false news about Israel on all news channels worldwide? There is no one source it is on news channels in all countries everywhere. Israel itself has admitted he majority of it. It is strange that you believe exactly what you want to believe. Israel is lying because they have been caught not telling the truth before, the rest of the world is telling the truth because they have always told the truth before. Your point was we do not know what the truth is and in that sense I would agree, it has to be teased out from all the preconceptions one has and some of those preconceptions are Israel is terrorist state and Gaza is currently an act of genocide and Israel is committing many war crimes. The area is a complicated mish mash of causes and effects over hundreds of years in which the British tried to be reasonable for a period of twenty five years. The British failed not because they took one side or the other but that the petty hatreds instilled in most sides over the years cannot be reconciled. Israel was attcaked on 7/10, why, how and by whom and what they did is largely agreed. So the process continues.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 29, 2023 12:00:20 GMT
Israel denied bombing it and you believed Hamas when they claimed that 500 died - are you feeling a bit silly for taking their word on trust? "Israel denied bombing it", have you heard what you have just said?? Of course Israel denied it, that's what they do, tell lies. Hamas does not have the ordinance to create such devastation and if they did why are so few people killed, if any, when Hamas rockets get through the Israeli defences, as they do. Israel has also said that they bombed 'close' to the hospital. Independent assessment has concluded it was a Hamas rocket that misfired and landed short - why did you take the Hamas claims at face value that 500 people had been killed?. Do you still believe the Hamas claims that 500 people were killed?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 12:40:13 GMT
You are either an idiot or a troll. Or you're a pro-Hamas fanatic. And, since you've adduced no evidence for your claims and even admit that you don't know the truth, we can only conclude the latter. I don't support Hamas.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 12:43:36 GMT
Are you saying that there is a worldwide conspiracy to put out false news about Israel on all news channels worldwide? There is no one source it is on news channels in all countries everywhere. Israel itself has admitted he majority of it. It is strange that you believe exactly what you want to believe. Israel is lying because they have been caught not telling the truth before, the rest of the world is telling the truth because they have always told the truth before. Your point was we do not know what the truth is and in that sense I would agree, it has to be teased out from all the preconceptions one has and some of those preconceptions are Israel is terrorist state and Gaza is currently an act of genocide and Israel is committing many war crimes. The area is a complicated mish mash of causes and effects over hundreds of years in which the British tried to be reasonable for a period of twenty five years. The British failed not because they took one side or the other but that the petty hatreds instilled in most sides over the years cannot be reconciled. Israel was attcaked on 7/10, why, how and by whom and what they did is largely agreed. So the process continues. Ridiculous. Israel lied about, bombing hospitals, a calendar with Hamas names on, the number of dead on the 7th, the tunnels, not targeting civilians......... You appear to believe their is a worldwide conspiracy by the world's press to lie about Israel, do you know how daft you sound?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 12:46:09 GMT
"Israel denied bombing it", have you heard what you have just said?? Of course Israel denied it, that's what they do, tell lies. Hamas does not have the ordinance to create such devastation and if they did why are so few people killed, if any, when Hamas rockets get through the Israeli defences, as they do. Israel has also said that they bombed 'close' to the hospital. Independent assessment has concluded it was a Hamas rocket that misfired and landed short - why did you take the Hamas claims at face value that 500 people had been killed?. Do you still believe the Hamas claims that 500 people were killed? Independent Israel assessment. Israel will not allow any truly independent assessment to be made, journalists who have been allowed in have only been shown what Israel wants them to see. Israel has targeted and killed members of the press.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 29, 2023 12:46:37 GMT
Or you're a pro-Hamas fanatic. And, since you've adduced no evidence for your claims and even admit that you don't know the truth, we can only conclude the latter. I don't support Hamas.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 29, 2023 14:34:04 GMT
It is strange that you believe exactly what you want to believe. Israel is lying because they have been caught not telling the truth before, the rest of the world is telling the truth because they have always told the truth before. Your point was we do not know what the truth is and in that sense I would agree, it has to be teased out from all the preconceptions one has and some of those preconceptions are Israel is terrorist state and Gaza is currently an act of genocide and Israel is committing many war crimes. The area is a complicated mish mash of causes and effects over hundreds of years in which the British tried to be reasonable for a period of twenty five years. The British failed not because they took one side or the other but that the petty hatreds instilled in most sides over the years cannot be reconciled. Israel was attcaked on 7/10, why, how and by whom and what they did is largely agreed. So the process continues. Ridiculous. Israel lied about, bombing hospitals, a calendar with Hamas names on, the number of dead on the 7th, the tunnels, not targeting civilians......... You appear to believe their is a worldwide conspiracy by the world's press to lie about Israel, do you know how daft you sound? Well let us consider the world's press. Apparently there have been over 60 journalists killed in Gaza to date. Of those some 57 were Palestinian and the others were Lebanese and Arab. So how 'independent' is the news coming out of Gaza and do you think 'the truth' is going to be free from perspective?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 15:42:56 GMT
Ridiculous. Israel lied about, bombing hospitals, a calendar with Hamas names on, the number of dead on the 7th, the tunnels, not targeting civilians......... You appear to believe their is a worldwide conspiracy by the world's press to lie about Israel, do you know how daft you sound? Well let us consider the world's press. Apparently there have been over 60 journalists killed in Gaza to date. Of those some 57 were Palestinian and the others were Lebanese and Arab. So how 'independent' is the news coming out of Gaza and do you think 'the truth' is going to be free from perspective? The figure for Journalists killed is around 70 confirmed and other unconfirmed cases, the largest death toll in any war. The news coming out of Gaza is supported by the videos. Why are you and people like you still supporting genocide?
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Post by sandypine on Dec 29, 2023 16:11:02 GMT
Well let us consider the world's press. Apparently there have been over 60 journalists killed in Gaza to date. Of those some 57 were Palestinian and the others were Lebanese and Arab. So how 'independent' is the news coming out of Gaza and do you think 'the truth' is going to be free from perspective? The figure for Journalists killed is around 70 confirmed and other unconfirmed cases, the largest death toll in any war. The news coming out of Gaza is supported by the videos. Why are you and people like you still supporting genocide? The news that came out of Israel was supported by videos but you say it does not represent what it said it represented. It is the inability to view both sides with some circumspection that I query. You seem to accept all negative opinions and information as regards Israel but take at face value that which arises from Palestinian sources. The point about the journalists which you seem to have missed is that they were in the main Palestinian yet you would not accept Israeli reports if they were in the main by the Israeli press.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 21:48:19 GMT
Muslims, in general, are anti-Semitic and anti-Israel. Hopefully we have a few Muslims on the forum to keep a bit of balance. I don't remember anyone actually declaring their Muslim faith on here, although there's a handful of Christians have done so. I can guess who are the strong contenders for Islam. They will be strong contenders for Israel's enemies.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2023 11:09:45 GMT
The figure for Journalists killed is around 70 confirmed and other unconfirmed cases, the largest death toll in any war. The news coming out of Gaza is supported by the videos. Why are you and people like you still supporting genocide? The news that came out of Israel was supported by videos but you say it does not represent what it said it represented. It is the inability to view both sides with some circumspection that I query. You seem to accept all negative opinions and information as regards Israel but take at face value that which arises from Palestinian sources. The point about the journalists which you seem to have missed is that they were in the main Palestinian yet you would not accept Israeli reports if they were in the main by the Israeli press. So the Palestinian journalists are faking the videos, are you crazy?? Over 21,000 dead, 100s of 2000lb bombs on civilian structures what more proof do you need?
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