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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 14, 2023 23:01:38 GMT
None. Does that make her the best PM? well it obviously makes her better than Blair - which would not be hard. How does it make her 49 days of chaos better than Blair's 11 years? Even her own party wanted rid of her. She is demonstrably the biggest failure we've ever had in the job. |
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Post by wapentake on Dec 14, 2023 23:16:24 GMT
255 British personnel lost their lives in the Falklands war so by your metric that makes Blair a better PM than Thatcher and Truss better than both. You keep avoiding the question for some (unexplained) reason. So I will try again: what did Thatcher do to stoke a war in the Falklands?Well TBF more than enough. At this point I should state I detested Thatcher and thought I couldn’t detest another pm more,then came along Anthony Lynton Bliar. Anyway back to Thatcher,her govt sent all the signals to Buenos Aries that we’d given up on the falklands not least in retiring in the defence cuts HMS Endurance,Thatcher won nothing our military services did. What is often forgotten is that the much maligned Labour PM Jim Callaghan did far more and quietly costing no military personnel lives,the Argentines were threatening the Islands when he was PM,he quietly sent a nuclear sub two frigates and two support ships in operation journeyman but let it be known to the argentines it would be used and they backed off. Thatchers so called success was bought with the unnecessary loss of UK lives. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 14, 2023 23:26:28 GMT
255 British personnel lost their lives in the Falklands war so by your metric that makes Blair a better PM than Thatcher and Truss better than both. You keep avoiding the question for some (unexplained) reason. So I will try again: what did Thatcher do to stoke a war in the Falklands? Well amp.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/09/margaret-thatcher-falklands-gambleI presume you were around to recall all that In short, her antics prior to 1981 left the argies thinking the time was right to make a move to restore the islands to their hands in time for s glorious centenary or somesuch. ‘Stoking’ the war may be a bit much. Being so effing stupid she gave them a reason to think we’d do sod all about them … well maybe. |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 15, 2023 1:05:18 GMT
well it obviously makes her better than Blair - which would not be hard. How does it make her 49 days of chaos better than Blair's 11 years? Even her own party wanted rid of her. She is demonstrably the biggest failure we've ever had in the job. Who'd she kill? Nobody. Nobody can be trusted with power, but she didn't do much harm. Blair certainly did. He did no good at all. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 15, 2023 7:35:35 GMT
well it obviously makes her better than Blair - which would not be hard. How does it make her 49 days of chaos better than Blair's 11 years? a question better directed at the 1 million people who died as a result of Blairs foreign escapades.. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 15, 2023 7:39:42 GMT
You keep avoiding the question for some (unexplained) reason. So I will try again: what did Thatcher do to stoke a war in the Falklands?Well TBF more than enough. At this point I should state I detested Thatcher and thought I couldn’t detest another pm more,then came along Anthony Lynton Bliar. Anyway back to Thatcher,her govt sent all the signals to Buenos Aries that we’d given up on the falklands not least in retiring in the defence cuts HMS Endurance,Thatcher won nothing our military services did. What is often forgotten is that the much maligned Labour PM Jim Callaghan did far more and quietly costing no military personnel lives,the Argentines were threatening the Islands when he was PM,he quietly sent a nuclear sub two frigates and two support ships in operation journeyman but let it be known to the argentines it would be used and they backed off. Thatchers so called success was bought with the unnecessary loss of UK lives. I was waiting for this. I suppose that it can be argued that disarming led to war, after all we see it today in Ukraine where if they had kept their nuclear weapons then they would not have been invaded by Russia. In fact it is a good lesson that we should not disarm and keep a very strong military capability. |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 15, 2023 8:29:37 GMT
Well TBF more than enough. At this point I should state I detested Thatcher and thought I couldn’t detest another pm more,then came along Anthony Lynton Bliar. Anyway back to Thatcher,her govt sent all the signals to Buenos Aries that we’d given up on the falklands not least in retiring in the defence cuts HMS Endurance,Thatcher won nothing our military services did. What is often forgotten is that the much maligned Labour PM Jim Callaghan did far more and quietly costing no military personnel lives,the Argentines were threatening the Islands when he was PM,he quietly sent a nuclear sub two frigates and two support ships in operation journeyman but let it be known to the argentines it would be used and they backed off. Thatchers so called success was bought with the unnecessary loss of UK lives. I was waiting for this. I suppose that it can be argued that disarming led to war, after all we see it today in Ukraine where if they had kept their nuclear weapons then they would not have been invaded by Russia. In fact it is a good lesson that we should not disarm and keep a very strong military capability. Bill Clinton, Tony Blair's friend encouraged Ukrainian disarmament. Tony Blair feted Putin at every opportunity, even inviting that murderous paedophile to NATO summits. Even in 2000 our intelligence services had concerns about that twat but Blair said "it's my job to be friends with Putin". |
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Post by see2 on Dec 15, 2023 11:44:18 GMT
How does it make her 49 days of chaos better than Blair's 11 years? Even her own party wanted rid of her. She is demonstrably the biggest failure we've ever had in the job. Who'd she kill? Nobody. Nobody can be trusted with power, but she didn't do much harm. Blair certainly did. He did no good at all. More biased nonsense from the master ^^^ |
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Post by see2 on Dec 15, 2023 11:46:46 GMT
255 British personnel lost their lives in the Falklands war so by your metric that makes Blair a better PM than Thatcher and Truss better than both. You keep avoiding the question for some (unexplained) reason. So I will try again: what did Thatcher do to stoke a war in the Falklands? She announced the withdrawal of the last patrol ship from around the Falklands. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 15, 2023 11:53:59 GMT
I was waiting for this. I suppose that it can be argued that disarming led to war, after all we see it today in Ukraine where if they had kept their nuclear weapons then they would not have been invaded by Russia. In fact it is a good lesson that we should not disarm and keep a very strong military capability. Bill Clinton, Tony Blair's friend encouraged Ukrainian disarmament. Tony Blair feted Putin at every opportunity, even inviting that murderous paedophile to NATO summits. Even in 2000 our intelligence services had concerns about that twat but Blair said "it's my job to be friends with Putin". OK, if you insist on being childish. The encouragement to the Ukraine to disarm and the building up a relationship with Putin were based upon the belief that Putin would stick with his promise to Yeltsin, to embrace democracy. Any idiot accusations from yourself only expose your blind bias where Blair is concerned. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 15, 2023 11:57:18 GMT
It was a posted lie anyway, even so while you now turn it into a reason (excuse) for not voting Labour, you and I know that is not the real reason why you won't be voting Labour. You prefer to vote for the real "Bucket of Vomit" which doesn't happen to be available to you. Bollocks. They are all yours. I know you too well. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 15, 2023 11:59:18 GMT
How does it make her 49 days of chaos better than Blair's 11 years? a question better directed at the 1 million people who died as a result of Blairs foreign escapades.. They are all silent on the matter. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 12:32:06 GMT
IRAQ
Iraq's era under President Saddam Hussein was notorious for its severe violations of human rights. Secret police, state terrorism, torture, mass murder, rape, deportations, forced disappearances, assassinations, chemical warfare, and the destruction of southern Iraq's marshes were some of the methods the country's Ba'athist government used to maintain control
Saddam Hussain started a war with Iran which is estimated to have cost over 1 million lives, plus another 100,000 civilian lives, the economic damage to both countries is estimated at over 1 Trillion US dollars.
Methods of torture used by Saddam's regime included assault with brass knuckles and wooden bludgeons; electric shocks to the genitalia; scorched metal rods being forced into body orifices; the crushing of toes and removal of toenails; burning off limbs; lowering prisoners into vats of acid; poisoning with thallium; raping women in front of their family members; burning with cigarette butts; the crushing of bones; the amputation of ears, limbs, and tongues; and the gouging of eyes
One of the worst single atrocities carried out by Saddam Hussain was the Halabja Chemical Attack, which instantly killed between 3,000 and 5,000 people, and wounded or maimed another 5,000 to 7,000 people – the after effects are still been suffered today with many birth defects.
As well as the notorious war with Iran, Saddam Hussain also invaded Kuwait which resulted in even more deaths, injuries and suffering, not to mention the economic destruction of that country. He also launched attacks on Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Israel.
When the coalition invaded Iraq, many mass graves were found, containing thousands of bodies including women and children, and some of the evidence given by Kurds in the North was horrendous and reminiscent of the worst atrocities of the Nazis in the 1940s, including this account….. "Fifty-seven boxes were recently returned to the Kurdish city of Sulaimaniya in Zeit trucks—large Russian military vehicles—by the Iraqi government authorities. Each box contained a dead child, eyes gouged out and ashen white, apparently drained of blood. The families were not given their children, were forced to accept a communal grave, and then had to pay 150 dinars for the burial
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Post by Bentley on Dec 15, 2023 12:38:21 GMT
IRAQ Iraq's era under President Saddam Hussein was notorious for its severe violations of human rights. Secret police, state terrorism, torture, mass murder, rape, deportations, forced disappearances, assassinations, chemical warfare, and the destruction of southern Iraq's marshes were some of the methods the country's Ba'athist government used to maintain control Saddam Hussain started a war with Iran which is estimated to have cost over 1 million lives, plus another 100,000 civilian lives, the economic damage to both countries is estimated at over 1 Trillion US dollars. Methods of torture used by Saddam's regime included assault with brass knuckles and wooden bludgeons; electric shocks to the genitalia; scorched metal rods being forced into body orifices; the crushing of toes and removal of toenails; burning off limbs; lowering prisoners into vats of acid; poisoning with thallium; raping women in front of their family members; burning with cigarette butts; the crushing of bones; the amputation of ears, limbs, and tongues; and the gouging of eyes One of the worst single atrocities carried out by Saddam Hussain was the Halabja Chemical Attack, which instantly killed between 3,000 and 5,000 people, and wounded or maimed another 5,000 to 7,000 people – the after effects are still been suffered today with many birth defects. As well as the notorious war with Iran, Saddam Hussain also invaded Kuwait which resulted in even more deaths, injuries and suffering, not to mention the economic destruction of that country. He also launched attacks on Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Israel. When the coalition invaded Iraq, many mass graves were found, containing thousands of bodies including women and children, and some of the evidence given by Kurds in the North was horrendous and reminiscent of the worst atrocities of the Nazis in the 1940s, including this account….. "Fifty-seven boxes were recently returned to the Kurdish city of Sulaimaniya in Zeit trucks—large Russian military vehicles—by the Iraqi government authorities. Each box contained a dead child, eyes gouged out and ashen white, apparently drained of blood. The families were not given their children, were forced to accept a communal grave, and then had to pay 150 dinars for the burial So if a nation is ruled by a cruel and vicious regime it’s ok to flatten it then? Bibi says he’s glad you agree that Gaza should be flattened. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 12:55:59 GMT
Well I am pleased that you recognise that Israel is flattening Gaza, something that only a terrorist state would do, and something that the coalition forces did not do to either Baghdad or any other Iraqi city.
The regime of Sadam Hussain was cruel and brutal to their own people, as well as to Iranians, Kuwaitis and others.
If you cannot see the difference, your not that intelligent
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