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Post by jonksy on Dec 14, 2023 21:00:13 GMT
That is a wide exspance mate. A vacuum . A vast wilderness complete with tumbleweeds mate. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 21:31:43 GMT
Which is one very good reason why Labour will not be getting my vote. The sheeple might well be so fed up with the Tories that they will vote for anyone who might get them out, which in many places will be Labour, but I will not vote for a bucket of vomit to get a bucket of shit out. Neither Tories nor Labour are ever likely to get my vote. Which sadly means under our current voting system they don't have to give a shit about what I or any of us who dont support the main parties actually think. In our supposed democracy which is in effect very limited, most of us effectively have no say if we do not support either Labour or Tories. It was a posted lie anyway, even so while you now turn it into a reason (excuse) for not voting Labour, you and I know that is not the real reason why you won't be voting Labour. You prefer to vote for the real "Bucket of Vomit" which doesn't happen to be available to you. Bollocks. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 21:35:51 GMT
John Major certainly gets his share of the credit for the relative peace we see now in Northern Ireland, as do a whole range of other figures. Just silly to suggest that it would have happened without Blair. Iraq war aside (and as I say that would have happened with or without UK support) best Prime Minister in my lifetime. I hope Starmer achieves half as much as Blair did in rebuilding our country. Tough job though. The Northern Ireland Peace Process began with an MI5 spy acting without authorisation, just after the Warrington bombing.
Fuck Blair.
Man's the worst PM we ever had.
I am no fan of Blair and in terms of damage done internationally he is probably worst. But on the domestic scene Thatcher did far more damage to far more people in Britain itself. Her long term legacy in many ways is a baleful one. I have never hated a politician more than I hated Thatcher. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 14, 2023 22:10:49 GMT
So by that metric Thatcher was worse than Truss. What wars did Thatcher start? ''Stoked'' was the word you used. The one she stoked was when she sent a huge task force half way around the world. A task force she couldn't have assembled 6 months later due to her cuts to the military coming into force. We wouldn't have had enough ships left, particularly carriers as one was due to be sold to Australia. The war saved her arse. She was the most unpopular post war PM going into it. Had she lost, which was a close run thing, she would have gone down as one of our worst PM's ever. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 14, 2023 22:13:06 GMT
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Behave yourselves. Enough of the personal insults!
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 14, 2023 22:20:54 GMT
What wars did Thatcher start? ''Stoked'' was the word you used. The one she stoked was when she sent a huge task force half way around the world.
A task force she couldn't have assembled 6 months later due to her cuts to the military coming into force. We wouldn't have had enough ships left, particularly carriers as one was due to be sold to Australia. The war saved her arse. She was the most unpopular post war PM going into it. Had she lost, which was a close run thing, she would have gone down as one of our worst PM's ever. To rescue British Territory that had been unlawfully invaded - how on earth does that compare with Tony Blairs lying to excuse his invasion of State that was of precisely zero threat to the UK?. I remind you that 179 British Servicemen died in Iraq in a war that Blair and the Labour Government concocted evidence to get us to take part in. That you think that Thatcher is in any way comparable is mind boggling. But then the left have always been out of their minds. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 14, 2023 22:24:11 GMT
''Stoked'' was the word you used. The one she stoked was when she sent a huge task force half way around the world.
A task force she couldn't have assembled 6 months later due to her cuts to the military coming into force. We wouldn't have had enough ships left, particularly carriers as one was due to be sold to Australia. The war saved her arse. She was the most unpopular post war PM going into it. Had she lost, which was a close run thing, she would have gone down as one of our worst PM's ever. To rescue British Territory that had been unlawfully invaded - how on earth does that compare with Tony Blairs lying to excuse his invasion of State that was of precisely zero threat to the UK?. I remind you that 179 British Servicemen died in Iraq in a war that Blair and the Labour Government concocted evidence to get us to take part in. That you think that Thatcher is in any way comparable is mind boggling. But then the left have always been out of their minds. 255 British personnel lost their lives in the Falklands war so by your metric that makes Blair a better PM than Thatcher and Truss better than both. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 14, 2023 22:25:29 GMT
How many died in conflicts stoked by Truss? To remind you of your question. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 14, 2023 22:29:30 GMT
To rescue British Territory that had been unlawfully invaded - how on earth does that compare with Tony Blairs lying to excuse his invasion of State that was of precisely zero threat to the UK?. I remind you that 179 British Servicemen died in Iraq in a war that Blair and the Labour Government concocted evidence to get us to take part in. That you think that Thatcher is in any way comparable is mind boggling. But then the left have always been out of their minds. 255 British personnel lost their lives in the Falklands war so by your metric that makes Blair a better PM than Thatcher and Truss better than both. You keep avoiding the question for some (unexplained) reason. So I will try again: what did Thatcher do to stoke a war in the Falklands? |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 14, 2023 22:31:11 GMT
How many died in conflicts stoked by Truss? To remind you of your question. so exactly how many wars did Truss start in her 49 days - and why didn't we hear about them? |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 14, 2023 22:41:06 GMT
255 British personnel lost their lives in the Falklands war so by your metric that makes Blair a better PM than Thatcher and Truss better than both. You keep avoiding the question for some (unexplained) reason. So I will try again: what did Thatcher do to stoke a war in the Falklands? Send a task force half way around the world. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 14, 2023 22:42:08 GMT
To remind you of your question. so exactly how many wars did Truss start in her 49 days - and why didn't we hear about them? None. Does that make her the best PM? |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 14, 2023 22:45:20 GMT
You keep avoiding the question for some (unexplained) reason. So I will try again: what did Thatcher do to stoke a war in the Falklands? Send a task force half way around the world. Er - that was after the war had started.. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 14, 2023 22:46:17 GMT
so exactly how many wars did Truss start in her 49 days - and why didn't we hear about them? None. Does that make her the best PM? well it obviously makes her better than Blair - which would not be hard. |
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Post by wapentake on Dec 14, 2023 22:55:40 GMT
Starting a peace process and surrendering to the IRA are two very different things Dappy. Blair didn't achieve peace. Factually he did - at least the imperfect peace we see today in Northern Ireland. Something honestly when I was young, I never expected to see happen. Sad to see your prejudices get in the way of accepting reality, Vinny. Even those you don't generally agree with politically are capable of doing good things. Sad to see so many people these days wanting everything or everybody to be black or white. Reality is nearly all are some shade of grey. The reality is that the real architect of NI peace process was not Blair though being the personality he is wanted all the credit but Mo Mowlam did the hard long haul and the grinning goblin took the credit. |
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