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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 13:02:38 GMT
The reason they invaded Iraq is because America signed up for forced regime change. The UK couldn't follow that. The UN couldn't follow that. This is because it goes against international law. This is why your lot lied and relied on the politics of fear. Tony Blair is a tyrant and a mass-murderer. I know Sunni Islamists supported him, just as the Saudi regime did, but what's in it for you?
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Post by Bentley on Dec 15, 2023 13:06:59 GMT
Well I am pleased that you recognise that Israel is flattening Gaza, something that only a terrorist state would do, and something that the coalition forces did not do to either Baghdad or any other Iraqi city. The regime of Sadam Hussain was cruel and brutal to their own people, as well as to Iranians, Kuwaitis and others. If you cannot see the difference, your not that intelligent So the US was a terrorist state for flattening Iraq when you agreed with it ? And you say I’m not intelligent ?lol. You really don’t know what you are on about do you ? |
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Post by om15 on Dec 15, 2023 13:19:31 GMT
When Germany provoked war in 1939 the British and American Air Forces destroyed practically every German city, including hospitals, schools and care homes, and as many civilians as possible, when Japan declared war on America she turned two Japanese Cities into molten glass including all civilian inhabitants.
When Hamas declared war on Israel they knew full well what the consequences were going to be, it is no use their apologists sniveling now, Hamas have brought the current situation to the Palestine people, no one else.
If the hand wringers had spent the past 10 years protesting at innocent Israeli civilians being subject to rocket attacks on a regular basis then perhaps this wouldn't have happened, but they didn't and it is happening. Prior to the Oct attack Hamas had been sending rockets into Israel without any comment from anyone, now the lefties are screaming genocide when the IDF are targeting those who started it.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 15, 2023 13:34:23 GMT
The aforesaid hand wringers made little noise while Muslims slaughtered other Muslims for the last few years too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 13:54:24 GMT
Well I am pleased that you recognise that Israel is flattening Gaza, something that only a terrorist state would do, and something that the coalition forces did not do to either Baghdad or any other Iraqi city.The regime of Sadam Hussain was cruel and brutal to their own people, as well as to Iranians, Kuwaitis and others. If you cannot see the difference, your not that intelligent They flattened Mosul to destroy I.S. They flattened Raqqa to destroy I.S. The world needs Hamas just as much as it needs I.S. time.com/longform/mosul-raqqa-ruins-after-the-war-of-annihilation/ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 14:19:44 GMT
Well I am pleased that you recognise that Israel is flattening Gaza, something that only a terrorist state would do, and something that the coalition forces did not do to either Baghdad or any other Iraqi city. The regime of Sadam Hussain was cruel and brutal to their own people, as well as to Iranians, Kuwaitis and others. If you cannot see the difference, your not that intelligent So the US was a terrorist state for flattening Iraq when you agreed with it ? And you say I’m not intelligent ?lol. You really don’t know what you are on about do you ? What Israel is doing to Gaza, and to the civilian population there, bares absolutely no resemblance to what the coalition forces did to urban populations in Iraq. Israel has been terrorising Palestinians for generations, every day the IDF intimidates peaceful Palestinians on their homesteads on the West Bank. The Israeli regime, with its extremist coalition are no better than the Nazis who walled in the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 15, 2023 14:23:45 GMT
So the US was a terrorist state for flattening Iraq when you agreed with it ? And you say I’m not intelligent ?lol. You really don’t know what you are on about do you ? What Israel is doing to Gaza, and to the civilian population there, bares absolutely no resemblance to what the coalition forces did to urban populations in Iraq. Israel has been terrorising Palestinians for generations, every day the IDF intimidates peaceful Palestinians on their homesteads on the West Bank. The Israeli regime, with its extremist coalition are no better than the Nazis who walled in the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto. Yes it does . The US destroyed Iraqs infrastructure then left it without an administration. If you can’t see that , you’re not that intelligent . |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 14:33:54 GMT
What Israel is doing to Gaza, and to the civilian population there, bares absolutely no resemblance to what the coalition forces did to urban populations in Iraq. Israel has been terrorising Palestinians for generations, every day the IDF intimidates peaceful Palestinians on their homesteads on the West Bank. The Israeli regime, with its extremist coalition are no better than the Nazis who walled in the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto. Yes it does . The US destroyed Iraqs infrastructure then left it without an administration. If you can’t see that , you’re not that intelligent . You have changed the subject - Why ? The discussion WAS about flattening citys, killing many thousands of civilians, which is precisely what Israel have done, and continue to do. War, as in the accepted terms of war under the Geneva Convention etc, does allow for military targets, infastructure and "legitimate" targets to be hit, bombed or shelled or destroyed. Peoples homes, entire citys, hospitals, residential areas are not legitimate targets |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 15, 2023 14:43:28 GMT
Yes it does . The US destroyed Iraqs infrastructure then left it without an administration. If you can’t see that , you’re not that intelligent . You have changed the subject - Why ? The discussion WAS about flattening citys, killing many thousands of civilians, which is precisely what Israel have done, and continue to do. War, as in the accepted terms of war under the Geneva Convention etc, does allow for military targets, infastructure and "legitimate" targets to be hit, bombed or shelled or destroyed. Peoples homes, entire citys, hospitals, residential areas are not legitimate targets No I didn’t , why make false claims ? The US flattened Iraq , destroyed its infrastructure killing many thousands of civilians and left it without an administration. They did no less than Israel has done to Gaza . Now you are nit picking in desperation . lefties like you kept silent while Muslims slaughtered Muslims too. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 15, 2023 16:00:31 GMT
IRAQ Iraq's era under President Saddam Hussein was notorious for its severe violations of human rights. Secret police, state terrorism, torture, mass murder, rape, deportations, forced disappearances, assassinations, chemical warfare, and the destruction of southern Iraq's marshes were some of the methods the country's Ba'athist government used to maintain control Saddam Hussain started a war with Iran which is estimated to have cost over 1 million lives, plus another 100,000 civilian lives, the economic damage to both countries is estimated at over 1 Trillion US dollars. Methods of torture used by Saddam's regime included assault with brass knuckles and wooden bludgeons; electric shocks to the genitalia; scorched metal rods being forced into body orifices; the crushing of toes and removal of toenails; burning off limbs; lowering prisoners into vats of acid; poisoning with thallium; raping women in front of their family members; burning with cigarette butts; the crushing of bones; the amputation of ears, limbs, and tongues; and the gouging of eyes One of the worst single atrocities carried out by Saddam Hussain was the Halabja Chemical Attack, which instantly killed between 3,000 and 5,000 people, and wounded or maimed another 5,000 to 7,000 people – the after effects are still been suffered today with many birth defects. As well as the notorious war with Iran, Saddam Hussain also invaded Kuwait which resulted in even more deaths, injuries and suffering, not to mention the economic destruction of that country. He also launched attacks on Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Israel. When the coalition invaded Iraq, many mass graves were found, containing thousands of bodies including women and children, and some of the evidence given by Kurds in the North was horrendous and reminiscent of the worst atrocities of the Nazis in the 1940s, including this account….. "Fifty-seven boxes were recently returned to the Kurdish city of Sulaimaniya in Zeit trucks—large Russian military vehicles—by the Iraqi government authorities. Each box contained a dead child, eyes gouged out and ashen white, apparently drained of blood. The families were not given their children, were forced to accept a communal grave, and then had to pay 150 dinars for the burial Who appointed you the worlds policeman? |
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Post by see2 on Dec 15, 2023 17:04:05 GMT
The reason they invaded Iraq is because America signed up for forced regime change. The UK couldn't follow that. The UN couldn't follow that. This is because it goes against international law. This is why your lot lied and relied on the politics of fear. Tony Blair is a tyrant and a mass-murderer. I know Sunni Islamists supported him, just as the Saudi regime did, but what's in it for you? You have missed the obvious. If Saddam had fully cooperated with the Ceasefire agreement and with the UN Inspectors, there would have been no invasion. In Saddam not complying with the ceasefire agreement, a state of conflict still existed. Try reading UN Res. 1441. Making unproveable lying claims against Blair is a waste of space. It probably does nothing more than reflect the anger of Righties who hate the fact that Blair / New Labour kept the Conservative party out of office for the longest period in its history. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 15, 2023 17:14:39 GMT
So the US was a terrorist state for flattening Iraq when you agreed with it ? And you say I’m not intelligent ?lol. You really don’t know what you are on about do you ? What Israel is doing to Gaza, and to the civilian population there, bares absolutely no resemblance to what the coalition forces did to urban populations in Iraq. Israel has been terrorising Palestinians for generations, every day the IDF intimidates peaceful Palestinians on their homesteads on the West Bank. The Israeli regime, with its extremist coalition are no better than the Nazis who walled in the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto. You have totally reversed reality. It is the Palestinian Arabs and the Arab countries that waged wars of annihilation and years of Terrorism against Israel, not the other way around. The Nazis were about humiliating and destroying the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto, the Israelis are attacking the Gaza Palestinian army that committed an unbelievable case of slaughter in Israel targeting Israeli citizens. There is no comparison between the two. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 17:19:12 GMT
The reason they invaded Iraq is because America signed up for forced regime change. The UK couldn't follow that. The UN couldn't follow that. This is because it goes against international law. This is why your lot lied and relied on the politics of fear. Tony Blair is a tyrant and a mass-murderer. I know Sunni Islamists supported him, just as the Saudi regime did, but what's in it for you? You have missed the obvious. If Saddam had fully cooperated with the Ceasefire agreement and with the UN Inspectors, there would have been no invasion. In Saddam not complying with the ceasefire agreement, a state of conflict still existed. Try reading UN Res. 1441. Making unproveable lying claims against Blair is a waste of space. It probably does nothing more than reflect the anger of Righties who hate the fact that Blair / New Labour kept the Conservative party out of office for the longest period in its history. You only highlight how stupid people need to be to follow Tony Blair into war. As we saw, no one else did - we were the only poodle. There isn't anything in my post that is a lie, and this is why you have invented a tangent to try and big up a lying creep. This has nothing to do with party politics. If your beloved Tony Blair didn't lie through his teeth that act of mindless destruction, which also led to ISIS in the region, may never have happened. The UN did not support the invasion. There were no WMDs in Iraq. You rely on a resolution as your smoking gun with ZERO evidence that there was a threat to the west, despite the lies YOUR lot told.
Perhaps you're just a psychopath?
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Post by see2 on Dec 15, 2023 17:25:16 GMT
IRAQ Iraq's era under President Saddam Hussein was notorious for its severe violations of human rights. Secret police, state terrorism, torture, mass murder, rape, deportations, forced disappearances, assassinations, chemical warfare, and the destruction of southern Iraq's marshes were some of the methods the country's Ba'athist government used to maintain control Saddam Hussain started a war with Iran which is estimated to have cost over 1 million lives, plus another 100,000 civilian lives, the economic damage to both countries is estimated at over 1 Trillion US dollars. Methods of torture used by Saddam's regime included assault with brass knuckles and wooden bludgeons; electric shocks to the genitalia; scorched metal rods being forced into body orifices; the crushing of toes and removal of toenails; burning off limbs; lowering prisoners into vats of acid; poisoning with thallium; raping women in front of their family members; burning with cigarette butts; the crushing of bones; the amputation of ears, limbs, and tongues; and the gouging of eyes One of the worst single atrocities carried out by Saddam Hussain was the Halabja Chemical Attack, which instantly killed between 3,000 and 5,000 people, and wounded or maimed another 5,000 to 7,000 people – the after effects are still been suffered today with many birth defects. As well as the notorious war with Iran, Saddam Hussain also invaded Kuwait which resulted in even more deaths, injuries and suffering, not to mention the economic destruction of that country. He also launched attacks on Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Israel. When the coalition invaded Iraq, many mass graves were found, containing thousands of bodies including women and children, and some of the evidence given by Kurds in the North was horrendous and reminiscent of the worst atrocities of the Nazis in the 1940s, including this account….. "Fifty-seven boxes were recently returned to the Kurdish city of Sulaimaniya in Zeit trucks—large Russian military vehicles—by the Iraqi government authorities. Each box contained a dead child, eyes gouged out and ashen white, apparently drained of blood. The families were not given their children, were forced to accept a communal grave, and then had to pay 150 dinars for the burial Who appointed you the worlds policeman? Don't know about who but I do understand why. Read Res1441. As far as I'm aware, because Saddam refused to comply with the ceasefire agreement both the US and the UK were still having to police the 'No Fly' zones placed on the Iraqi Air Force needed to stop them from bombing the Kurds in the North and the Kuwaitis in the south. The UK and the US were still at war with Iraq. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 17:44:26 GMT
Who appointed you the worlds policeman? Don't know about who but I do understand why. Read Res1441. As far as I'm aware, because Saddam refused to comply with the ceasefire agreement both the US and the UK were still having to police the 'No Fly' zones placed on the Iraqi Air Force needed to stop them from bombing the Kurds in the North and the Kuwaitis in the south. The UK and the US were still at war with Iraq. The resolution itself never mentioned a war and only required Iraq to support inspections by UNMOVIC and IAEA
Inspectors were in Iraq, they found nothing. All they had was hearsay from the US, where Blix noted that he wasn't provided with any evidence. We now know the hearsay was untrue.
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