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Post by Pacifico on Jan 3, 2024 22:15:22 GMT
... go to RGS, a league table-topping £22,995-a-year private school in the Surrey commuter belt. Ah - the privations of the horny-handed sons of toil.. Wish you try and get your facts right before posting In 1974, Keir won a place at Reigate Grammar School, which would become independent during his time there. Those who were already pupils were allowed to continue, with their fees paid by the local council. Stick that in your pipe and Smoke it so he did go to a £22,995-a-year private school - what are you arguing about? The interesting fact about Starmer is he got his excellent education via both of the routes that Labour now want to close down - talk about pulling up the ladder after you....has this man no shame?
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Post by sheepy on Jan 3, 2024 22:16:43 GMT
Well, there you go, you just got told the truth, on the other hand, it will be probably another 500 years before his notoriety is forgotten in the Middle East and all those associated with him. No, what I got was your not very well thought out opinion. Even though there was some truth in it. Guess which one of us will be proven right? He has his head down at the minute, but you can bet he will be saying something stupid somewhere on his own behalf.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 22:17:22 GMT
Wish you try and get your facts right before posting In 1974, Keir won a place at Reigate Grammar School, which would become independent during his time there. Those who were already pupils were allowed to continue, with their fees paid by the local council. Stick that in your pipe and Smoke it so he did go to a £22,995-a-year private school - what are you arguing about? The interesting fact about Starmer is he got his excellent education via both of the routes that Labour now want to close down - talk about pulling up the ladder after you....has this man no shame? Exactly what Labour did when they pushed tuition fees. Many of them got their university education paid for without accumulating a load of debt and broken promises.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 22:23:00 GMT
He ate some cake, whilst those you support are responsible the deaths of millions of people, the growth of ISIS and terrorism in England. Sorry what you Mean he ate some cake . Do you think Crack pot Islamic Torrist like Isis need excuses to Commit there vilest acts Do you think the Manchester Bomber or him that beheaded the poor Teacher in France had a Excuse? He picked up cake, put cake in mouth, got persecuted over it by an arch-Blairite PIE supporting whore you may know as Harriet Harman, who currently chairs the committee. Excuse the language, but compared to the people you support Boris simply made a mistake and may have told a white lie over it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 22:46:43 GMT
Just looked at that site Typical Far left wing Crap. That have the nerve To call themselves Labour And if his father job wasnt what Sir Kier Said what it was don't you think Your pals on the right wing would of said Something. Has for Corbyn polices being for the Working class. Do I have to repeat myself again Corbyn was Rejected by the Working Class Twice In the Last GE he was totally Humiliating Defeat the worst Result for Labour in 30+yrs In spite of smear campaigns in which the Blairite wing of the party in collusion with the media were complicit, Labour in 2017 got more votes than at any time since 1997. Even in that so-called historical defeat in 2019 it got more votes than Blair in 2005, in spite of the disastrous Starmer sponsored policies re Brexit in an election which was treated almost as a referendum on Brexit. And in which the voices of the right united behind the Tories for the first time in decades. First Past The Post did the rest. As for the working class rejecting Labour, that occurred well before Corbyn when the Blairite middle class affluentocracy allowed the nation to be flooded with cheap foreign labour which was systematically used to keep pay low and drive up rents, to the enrichment of the affluent middle classes at the expense of the working class. And when the latter had the gall to express their concerns about that, you called them racists. So when the Brexit issue came along many of them fell into its arms, driven there by your lot. Therefore when - at the behest of Starmer - Labour seemed intent upon trying to stop it, the working class were repelled, or many of them were. And fell in behind the simple mantra of getting Brexit done. 2019 cannot be understood without this context. Nevertheless, it remains a statistical fact that in spite of that, even in 2019 Labour polled more votes than the Tories amongst working age people, including the working class. It was the pensioner vote of mostly those no longer working, who had least to gain therefore from policies designed to help the working class, who most readily bought into the tabloids they still bought in large numbers, and who were most solidly behind Brexit, that did the damage. Corbyn was also personally unpopular amongst this age group and was in many ways a functionally bad leader. But the actual policies in the 2017 manifesto were measured by polling and most of them were very popular. Labour defeats came in spite of them and for other reasons and not because of them, as such facts make abundantly clear. That's why Labour at the time were rarely attacked on policy but instead on personalities and smears, and also repeatedly undermined from within by the right of the party, showcasing chronic disunity that Corbyn should have been much tougher against. As for your so-called working class hero Starmer (excuse me for a moment whilst I indulge in a few giggles) where the hell are any concrete policies that will do anything transformatively positive for the working class? Plenty of soundbites and platitudes designed to sound good, but hardly anything concrete in policy terms. And why would there be from these champions of the establishment? If the working class vote Labour now it is only out of sheer desperation to be rid of these appalling Tories, and in many places voting Labour is the only way to do that, under our pitifully undemocratic voting system. But anyone who thinks a Labour government is going to bring meaningful change is in for a disappointment. Especially the working classes. Because the Labour leadership are now mostly scions of the affluent middle class liberal establishmentarian types, whose affluence is built upon an ability to exploit the hard pressed working classes in their own interests. Still in some ways the son of an affluent owner of a tool making factory is a fitting leader of the Labour party. Because the Labour party itself seems to be creating a never ending supply of utter tools.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 3, 2024 22:47:16 GMT
Wish you try and get your facts right before posting In 1974, Keir won a place at Reigate Grammar School, which would become independent during his time there. Those who were already pupils were allowed to continue, with their fees paid by the local council. Stick that in your pipe and Smoke it so he did go to a £22,995-a-year private school - what are you arguing about? The interesting fact about Starmer is he got his excellent education via both of the routes that Labour now want to close down - talk about pulling up the ladder after you....has this man no shame? What I'm arguing about us that when Sir Kier went to the Grammar school it was a free pay school. It become private when he was Already there And if pupils were already there the Local Authority paid there tuition fees. What labour are doing is stopping the Tax Relief private school. Do you think schools like Elton should be a tax burden on the County. The money saved will go to the compensive School need heavy funding after the years of neglect by this Government.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 22:54:02 GMT
I wouldn't worry about Jokesy. In the same way that every village has it's idiot, so does every forum. And Jokesy is ours I think Jonksy is alright and takes a lot more shit than he gives. Except when he uses his mouth, when he tends to speak a lot more shit than he hears.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 3, 2024 22:54:52 GMT
Just looked at that site Typical Far left wing Crap. That have the nerve To call themselves Labour And if his father job wasnt what Sir Kier Said what it was don't you think Your pals on the right wing would of said Something. Has for Corbyn polices being for the Working class. Do I have to repeat myself again Corbyn was Rejected by the Working Class Twice In the Last GE he was totally Humiliating Defeat the worst Result for Labour in 30+yrs In spite of smear campaigns in which the Blairite wing of the party in collusion with the media were complicit, Labour in 2017 got more votes than at any time since 1997. Even in that so-called historical defeat in 2019 it got more votes than Blair in 2005, in spite of the disastrous Starmer sponsored policies re Brexit in an election which was treated almost as a referendum on Brexit. And in which the voices of the right united behind the Tories for the first time in decades. First Past The Post did the rest. As for the working class rejecting Labour, that occurred well before Corbyn when the Blairite middle class affluentocracy allowed the nation to be flooded with cheap foreign labour which was systematically used to keep pay low and drive up rents, to the enrichment of the affluent middle classes at the expense of the working class. And when the latter had the gall to express their concerns about that, you called them racists. So when the Brexit issue came along many of them fell into its arms, driven there by your lot. Therefore when - at the behest of Starmer - Labour seemed intent upon trying to stop it, the working class were repelled, or many of them were. And fell in behind the simple mantra of getting Brexit done. 2019 cannot be understood without this context. Nevertheless, it remains a statistical fact that in spite of that, even in 2019 Labour polled more votes than the Tories amongst working age people, including the working class. It was the pensioner vote of mostly those no longer working, who had least to gain therefore from policies designed to help the working class, who most readily bought into the tabloids they still bought in large numbers, and who were most solidly behind Brexit, that did the damage. Corbyn was also personally unpopular amongst this age group and was in many ways a functionally bad leader. But the actual policies in the 2017 manifesto were measured by polling and most of them were very popular. Labour defeats came in spite of them and for other reasons and not because of them, as such facts make abundantly clear. That's why Labour at the time were rarely attacked on policy but instead on personalities and smears, and also repeatedly undermined from within by the right of the party, showcasing chronic disunity that Corbyn should have been much tougher against. As for your so-called working class hero Starmer (excuse me for a moment whilst I indulge in a few giggles) where the hell are any concrete policies that will do anything transformatively positive for the working class? Plenty of soundbites and platitudes designed to sound good, but hardly anything concrete in policy terms. And why would there be from these champions of the establishment? If the working class vote Labour now it is only out of sheer desperation to be rid of these appalling Tories, and in many places voting Labour is the only way to do that, under our pitifully undemocratic voting system. But anyone who thinks a Labour government is going to bring meaningful change is in for a disappointment. Especially the working classes. Because the Labour leadership are now mostly scions of the affluent middle class liberal establishmentarian types, whose affluence is build on an ability to exploit the hard pressed working classes in their own interests. Still in some ways the son of an affluent owner of a tool making factory is a fitting leader of the Labour party. Because the Labour party itself seems to be creating a never ending supply of utter tools. Would that be the Tony Blair who won 3 General Elections on a row . The first and the Second I think by a Marjority . And yet you say the working class turned there backs on him lol. Don't you Remember Corbyn your working Class hero . Lost over 10 red wall seats and you say the working class didn't turn there backs on him and far left .
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 3, 2024 22:57:07 GMT
so he did go to a £22,995-a-year private school - what are you arguing about? The interesting fact about Starmer is he got his excellent education via both of the routes that Labour now want to close down - talk about pulling up the ladder after you....has this man no shame? What I'm arguing about us that when Sir Kier went to the Grammar school it was a free pay school. It become private when he was Already there And if pupils were already there the Local Authority paid there tuition fees. What labour are doing is stopping the Tax Relief private school. Do you think schools like Elton should be a tax burden on the County. The money saved will go to the compensive School need heavy funding after the years of neglect by this Government. But what of the future Keir Starmers who would benefit just as much as he did through experience of the Grammar School and Private School systems? - are they just tossed aside? How will the kids in years to come from working class backgrounds who wish to done very well for themselves achieve that once you have taken that ladder enjoyed by Starmer away?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 22:58:25 GMT
The problem is that state schools are being used to brainwash kids into becoming banner waving automatons instead of encouraging them into fields that the country requires. More money would only encourage more waste. This is why the private sector is required, because the parents who fund it want to see something from their hard earned coin.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 3, 2024 23:05:17 GMT
What I'm arguing about us that when Sir Kier went to the Grammar school it was a free pay school. It become private when he was Already there And if pupils were already there the Local Authority paid there tuition fees. What labour are doing is stopping the Tax Relief private school. Do you think schools like Elton should be a tax burden on the County. The money saved will go to the compensive School need heavy funding after the years of neglect by this Government. But what of the future Keir Starmers who would benefit just as much as he did through experience of the Grammar School and Private School systems? - are they just tossed aside? How will the kids in years to come from working class backgrounds who wish to done very well for themselves achieve that once you have taken that ladder enjoyed by Starmer away? What you think working class parents can afford the out rageous fees that private schools charge ? Them that can afford to send there kids to private school will still be able to afford the School fees. The only thing labour wiL do is stop the tax burden private schools from getting tax relief. What's wrong with that?
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 3, 2024 23:09:12 GMT
The problem is that state schools are being used to brainwash kids into becoming banner waving automatons instead of encouraging them into fields that the country requires. More money would only encourage more waste. This is why the private sector is required, because the parents who fund it want to see something from their hard earned coin. You mean them that afford it want tax relief on there Childs Education And if private Schools are turning out the likes of Johnson and Sunak god Help. Us.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 3, 2024 23:11:43 GMT
But what of the future Keir Starmers who would benefit just as much as he did through experience of the Grammar School and Private School systems? - are they just tossed aside? How will the kids in years to come from working class backgrounds who wish to done very well for themselves achieve that once you have taken that ladder enjoyed by Starmer away? What you think working class parents can afford the out rageous fees that private schools charge ? Them that can afford to send there kids to private school will still be able to afford the School fees. The only thing labour wiL do is stop the tax burden private schools from getting tax relief. What's wrong with that? So you would have thrown Keir Starmer out on the street and prevented him from fulfilling his potential? - after all what is wrong with that indeed..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 23:12:15 GMT
In spite of smear campaigns in which the Blairite wing of the party in collusion with the media were complicit, Labour in 2017 got more votes than at any time since 1997. Even in that so-called historical defeat in 2019 it got more votes than Blair in 2005, in spite of the disastrous Starmer sponsored policies re Brexit in an election which was treated almost as a referendum on Brexit. And in which the voices of the right united behind the Tories for the first time in decades. First Past The Post did the rest. As for the working class rejecting Labour, that occurred well before Corbyn when the Blairite middle class affluentocracy allowed the nation to be flooded with cheap foreign labour which was systematically used to keep pay low and drive up rents, to the enrichment of the affluent middle classes at the expense of the working class. And when the latter had the gall to express their concerns about that, you called them racists. So when the Brexit issue came along many of them fell into its arms, driven there by your lot. Therefore when - at the behest of Starmer - Labour seemed intent upon trying to stop it, the working class were repelled, or many of them were. And fell in behind the simple mantra of getting Brexit done. 2019 cannot be understood without this context. Nevertheless, it remains a statistical fact that in spite of that, even in 2019 Labour polled more votes than the Tories amongst working age people, including the working class. It was the pensioner vote of mostly those no longer working, who had least to gain therefore from policies designed to help the working class, who most readily bought into the tabloids they still bought in large numbers, and who were most solidly behind Brexit, that did the damage. Corbyn was also personally unpopular amongst this age group and was in many ways a functionally bad leader. But the actual policies in the 2017 manifesto were measured by polling and most of them were very popular. Labour defeats came in spite of them and for other reasons and not because of them, as such facts make abundantly clear. That's why Labour at the time were rarely attacked on policy but instead on personalities and smears, and also repeatedly undermined from within by the right of the party, showcasing chronic disunity that Corbyn should have been much tougher against. As for your so-called working class hero Starmer (excuse me for a moment whilst I indulge in a few giggles) where the hell are any concrete policies that will do anything transformatively positive for the working class? Plenty of soundbites and platitudes designed to sound good, but hardly anything concrete in policy terms. And why would there be from these champions of the establishment? If the working class vote Labour now it is only out of sheer desperation to be rid of these appalling Tories, and in many places voting Labour is the only way to do that, under our pitifully undemocratic voting system. But anyone who thinks a Labour government is going to bring meaningful change is in for a disappointment. Especially the working classes. Because the Labour leadership are now mostly scions of the affluent middle class liberal establishmentarian types, whose affluence is build on an ability to exploit the hard pressed working classes in their own interests. Still in some ways the son of an affluent owner of a tool making factory is a fitting leader of the Labour party. Because the Labour party itself seems to be creating a never ending supply of utter tools. Would that be the Tony Blair who won 3 General Elections on a row . The first and the Second I think by a Marjority . And yet you say the working class turned there backs on up lol. Don't you Remember Corbyn your working Class hero . Lost over 10 red wall seats and you say the working class didn't turn there backs on him and far left . I never said Corbyn was working class. You just made that up, unsurprisingly enough. Its what your wing has always done in regards to genuine democratic socialists. At some point I expect you to call me a trot, or far left, or hard left, or a Marxist Leninist, an acolyte of Militant, an undemocratic revolutionary, a bolshevik, a friend of terrorists, a Jew-hating racist, etc, etc, or some such guff. Smearing people with extremist bullshit in order to establish a false reality about reasonable democratic socialists and social democrats is what your type do. As for Blair's majorities, the Labour vote dropped by many millions between 1997 and 2001, and many millions more by 2005. A statistical fact. FPTP with its usual distorting effects, hid this because the Tories themselves remained deeply unpopular, resulting in record low turnouts as millions simply stopped voting altogether, as well as more votes being wasted on no hoper candidates. Nevertheless, as the Labour vote collapsed they became ever more vulnerable to a Tory revival. It didnt take much in the end. Someone as unimpressive as Cameron was all it took. Anyway, here is a challenge for you. Name an extremist policy from the 2017 Labour manifesto. If we were the Marxist nutters your sort often like to portray us as, this shouldnt be too difficult.
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Post by see2 on Jan 3, 2024 23:12:55 GMT
so he did go to a £22,995-a-year private school - what are you arguing about? The interesting fact about Starmer is he got his excellent education via both of the routes that Labour now want to close down - talk about pulling up the ladder after you....has this man no shame? Exactly what Labour did when they pushed tuition fees. Many of them got their university education paid for without accumulating a load of debt and broken promises. Unfortunately Thatcher created a huge economic black hole for the majority of State schools with her introduction of 'Grant Maintained' scheme for some schools, that problem was passed onto New Labour by John Major. And nothing could have been more unacceptable than to weaken the education and the future of thousands of young children, besides which the government has a responsibility to fund state education.
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