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Post by Vinny on Dec 14, 2023 11:41:19 GMT
I wouldn’t argue with that Jonksy,will never happen though because they cant admit any wrongdoing which reflects on all past and present administrations. IMO Blair was and is a stain on both Britains politics and history,even today he’s weaseling and manoeuvring through his foundation and influence on Starmer who openly takes his advice and projects himself as the new Blair. Which is one very good reason why Labour will not be getting my vote. The sheeple might well be so fed up with the Tories that they will vote for anyone who might get them out, which in many places will be Labour, but I will not vote for a bucket of vomit to get a bucket of shit out. Neither Tories nor Labour are ever likely to get my vote. Which sadly means under our current voting system they don't have to give a shit about what I or any of us who dont support the main parties actually think. In our supposed democracy which is in effect very limited, most of us effectively have no say if we do not support either Labour or Tories. We may sometimes disagree on policies, but I cannot fault your principles. Glad you're not a hypocrite.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 11:41:34 GMT
Whilst involvement in the Iraq war was obviously wrong, in itself I don't feel that is enough to warrant stripping of his knighthood. What does warrant that action though is the fact that he manufactured evidence to take us to war - that anyone involved in the production and dissemination of the dodgy dossiers should get a reward from the State just astounds me. I can handle mistakes but deliberate deception that resulted in many deaths is something else. I think we agree where Blair is concerned. But never fear. See 2 will be along in a minute to tell us all how biased we are.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 14, 2023 11:44:37 GMT
John Major certainly gets his share of the credit for the relative peace we see now in Northern Ireland, as do a whole range of other figures. Just silly to suggest that it would have happened without Blair. Iraq war aside (and as I say that would have happened with or without UK support) best Prime Minister in my lifetime. I hope Starmer achieves half as much as Blair did in rebuilding our country. Tough job though. The Northern Ireland Peace Process began with an MI5 spy acting without authorisation, just after the Warrington bombing.
Fuck Blair.
Man's the worst PM we ever had.
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Post by dappy on Dec 14, 2023 11:47:07 GMT
Beginning and forcing over the line are two very different things Vinny.
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 14, 2023 11:52:20 GMT
John Major certainly gets his share of the credit for the relative peace we see now in Northern Ireland, as do a whole range of other figures. Just silly to suggest that it would have happened without Blair. Iraq war aside (and as I say that would have happened with or without UK support) best Prime Minister in my lifetime. I hope Starmer achieves half as much as Blair did in rebuilding our country. Tough job though. The Northern Ireland Peace Process began with an MI5 spy acting without authorisation, just after the Warrington bombing.
Fuck Blair.
Man's the worst PM we ever had.
Worse than Truss?
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Post by Vinny on Dec 14, 2023 11:55:41 GMT
By a long way. How many countries did Truss bomb? None.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 14, 2023 11:56:27 GMT
Beginning and forcing over the line are two very different things Vinny. Starting a peace process and surrendering to the IRA are two very different things Dappy. Blair didn't achieve peace.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 14, 2023 11:59:59 GMT
The Northern Ireland Peace Process began with an MI5 spy acting without authorisation, just after the Warrington bombing.
Fuck Blair.
Man's the worst PM we ever had.
Worse than Truss? How many died in conflicts stoked by Truss?
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Post by sandypine on Dec 14, 2023 12:02:24 GMT
Beginning and forcing over the line are two very different things Vinny. Starting a peace process and surrendering to the IRA are two very different things Dappy. Blair didn't achieve peace. He wanted to be and always had his eyes set on becoming some form of international statesman and that meant that his role as Prime Minister to the British people was used to that end. The British Army, and the lives of the men, was used to that end and our membership of the EU was used to that end. In terms of running the country everything was secondary to that aim and as such treason is too loose a word to describe him. To my eternal shame I voted for him twice in the days when I still believed in Labour.
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 14, 2023 12:09:49 GMT
How many died in conflicts stoked by Truss? So by that metric Thatcher was worse than Truss.
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Post by dappy on Dec 14, 2023 12:09:52 GMT
Beginning and forcing over the line are two very different things Vinny. Starting a peace process and surrendering to the IRA are two very different things Dappy. Blair didn't achieve peace. Factually he did - at least the imperfect peace we see today in Northern Ireland. Something honestly when I was young, I never expected to see happen. Sad to see your prejudices get in the way of accepting reality, Vinny. Even those you don't generally agree with politically are capable of doing good things. Sad to see so many people these days wanting everything or everybody to be black or white. Reality is nearly all are some shade of grey.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 14, 2023 12:17:28 GMT
Tony Blair should be stripped of his knighthood, ministers told.
I don't like Blair, but I'm not interested in anything the Alba party says, or the SNP for that matter. They shouldn't interfere with matters that do not concern them and Blairs knighthood does not concern them.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 14, 2023 12:38:34 GMT
How many died in conflicts stoked by Truss? So by that metric Thatcher was worse than Truss. How many countries did Thatcher invade (vs Blair) ?
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Post by see2 on Dec 14, 2023 12:44:12 GMT
Tony Blair should be stripped of his knighthood, ministers told.
Ministers told by a lying Tory tit.
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Post by see2 on Dec 14, 2023 12:48:15 GMT
Tony Blair should be stripped of his knighthood, ministers told.
I wouldn’t argue with that Jonksy,will never happen though because they cant admit any wrongdoing which reflects on all past and present administrations. IMO Blair was and is a stain on both Britains politics and history,even today he’s weaseling and manoeuvring through his foundation and influence on Starmer who openly takes his advice and projects himself as the new Blair. The lie is told on the OP website that the war was illegal, this is just Tory propaganda lies all over again. It is not true. The UK armed forces required legality to be given BEFORE taking action.
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