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Post by Pacifico on Dec 14, 2023 9:06:24 GMT
deterrents operate on the possibility of something happening - not on the guarantee that they will. for example people stick to speed limits because they might get caught - not because they know it's guaranteed they will. If you have a 10% chance of ending up in Rwanda then that is going to make some feel that paying £3000 is not a worthwhile chance to take. The numbers start reducing and then that 10% chance rises to 15%, then 20%. Before you know it the problem is solved. In some parallel universe perhaps, if you listen to what these people say, they don't care what you want, they will give up their lives to get here if needs be, so the odds of being sent to Rwanda are still by far in their favour. It won't make a blind bit of difference; they have to be stopped long before they reach Calais. Obviously people are going to say that future Laws that try to restrict illegal migration wont work when they are trying to gain illegal entry. That is just human nature. What will be the test is what happens when they hand over the money with the actual possibility of ending up in Rwanda. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 14, 2023 9:07:36 GMT
deterrents operate on the possibility of something happening - not on the guarantee that they will. for example people stick to speed limits because they might get caught - not because they know it's guaranteed they will. If you have a 10% chance of ending up in Rwanda then that is going to make some feel that paying £3000 is not a worthwhile chance to take. The numbers start reducing and then that 10% chance rises to 15%, then 20%. Before you know it the problem is solved. Nonsense. Deterrents work on the likelihood of something happening. Its why shoplifting has soared. So deterrents against shoplifting would only work when 100% of shoplifters were caught?. You are being stupid now. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 14, 2023 9:07:59 GMT
In some parallel universe perhaps, if you listen to what these people say, they don't care what you want, they will give up their lives to get here if needs be, so the odds of being sent to Rwanda are still by far in their favour. It won't make a blind bit of difference; they have to be stopped long before they reach Calais. Obviously people are going to say that future Laws that try to restrict illegal migration wont work when they are trying to gain illegal entry. That is just human nature. What will be the test is what happens when they hand over the money with the actual possibility of ending up in Rwanda. Do stop talking political rubbish fed you by politicians as though they have given you some great answer they haven't. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 14, 2023 9:15:00 GMT
Obviously people are going to say that future Laws that try to restrict illegal migration wont work when they are trying to gain illegal entry. That is just human nature. What will be the test is what happens when they hand over the money with the actual possibility of ending up in Rwanda. Do stop talking political rubbish fed you by politicians as though they have given you some great answer they haven't. It is the only rubbish that has been proven to work - all the rest is hot air.. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 14, 2023 9:16:19 GMT
Do stop talking political rubbish fed you by politicians as though they have given you some great answer they haven't. It is the only rubbish that has been proven to work - all the rest is hot air.. LOL the only thing that has worked is the weather in the Channel. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 14, 2023 13:52:45 GMT
Well done, Mags. Duh! Yes, there would be no point in the Refugee Convention's imposing an obligation to confer a pardon if it wasn't envisaged that refugees would commit crimes. The Refugee Convention absolutely recognises that refugees will commit crimes. It might even be argued that the Refugee Convention encourages crime. That's the Refugee Convention for you! It is what all the signatories signed up to. Don't like it? Then, agitate to leave it. As things stand, the UK is required by international law to confer a pardon on certain people who have broken its laws. And with good reason. If a woman smashes your window to get help when being attacked she has committed a crime, but who would want a prosecution? The same principle applies to the Refugee convention. Sure. However, if the woman is not actually in danger and doesn't need to break the window she is committing a kind of fraud, even if she can get the crime waived |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 14, 2023 21:01:39 GMT
Which has precisely nothing to do with seeking asylum. They are the rules for gaining an asylum Visa for Ukrainian citizens. Surely this is not news..  Yes GAINING not APPLYING FOR. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 14, 2023 21:02:46 GMT
Nonsense. Deterrents work on the likelihood of something happening. Its why shoplifting has soared. So deterrents against shoplifting would only work when 100% of shoplifters were caught?. You are being stupid now. Nope its still you. Shop lifters are deterred if enough shoplifters are caught. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 14, 2023 21:07:05 GMT
So deterrents against shoplifting would only work when 100% of shoplifters were caught?. You are being stupid now. Nope its still you. Shop lifters are deterred if enough shoplifters are caught. That’s why illegal immigrants should lose any chance of citizenship by default. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 14, 2023 22:26:06 GMT
They are the rules for gaining an asylum Visa for Ukrainian citizens. Surely this is not news.. Yes GAINING not APPLYING FOR. They applied for a visa through the normal channels before they entered the UK - and had to wait until their application was approved before they entered the UK. So explain what you dont understand about that? |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 14, 2023 23:00:13 GMT
Yes GAINING not APPLYING FOR. They applied for a visa through the normal channels before they entered the UK - and had to wait until their application was approved before they entered the UK. So explain what you dont understand about that? The problem is that you're happy to describe Ukrainians as refugees. What do you call them? What does everyone call them? Ukrainian tourists? Ukrainian visitors? Or does everyone, including you and the Government, refer to them as Ukrainian refugees? See where this is going, Doc? They come via a safe country (Poland), and you and the other gammons refer to them as refugees. But when they come from another safe country like France, they are no longer refugees. Odd, that! |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 14, 2023 23:28:33 GMT
Yes GAINING not APPLYING FOR. They applied for a visa through the normal channels before they entered the UK - and had to wait until their application was approved before they entered the UK. So explain what you dont understand about that? So they weren't refugees then. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 15, 2023 4:08:22 GMT
This represents all the loony woke left.
Labour's Keir Starmer has precisely nothing to offer on illegal migration solutions.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 15, 2023 6:48:19 GMT
This represents all the loony woke left.
Labour's Keir Starmer has precisely nothing to offer on illegal migration solutions.
At least he's honest. The Tories continue blindsiding their dumbass followers with promises of a plan that anyone with half a brain knows wont work. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 15, 2023 7:32:23 GMT
They applied for a visa through the normal channels before they entered the UK - and had to wait until their application was approved before they entered the UK. So explain what you dont understand about that? So they weren't refugees then. they were fleeing war - what more do they need to do to become a refugee? Of course there is one main difference between Ukrainian refugees and those crossing the channel in rubber boats. The Ukrainians were pretty much all women and children whereas those arriving by rubber boat are pretty much all young men of fighting age. |
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