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Post by zanygame on Dec 10, 2023 9:24:53 GMT
There is much debate about the legals around the Rwanda plan.
I have a different question.
Will it actually stop the boats.
What I think will actually happen is.
It will get passed and we will loose more credibility around the world, there will be a cheer from the right wing and then reality will hit.
A few dozen people will fly out to Rwanda each week and the people traffickers will tell their victims that the odds of being sent to Rwanda are zero.
You'll be back to square one and another billion pounds worse off.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 10, 2023 9:36:53 GMT
Actually looking at it. I might buy a dinghy, row into Dover and get a free flight.  |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 10, 2023 9:45:03 GMT
There is no guarantee that the current Rwandan government will remain. The effect of a coup could be anything including ethnic cleansing, some of whom the UK paid the Rwandan government to take in.
I suspect the Rwandan government is enjoying the debate as the cost the UK gives to it goes up and up.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 10, 2023 9:46:37 GMT
Actually looking at it. I might buy a dinghy, row into Dover and get a free flight. Fresh blow for PM as Tory lawyers warn his Rwanda bill is not fit for purpose.
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Post by Cartertonian on Dec 10, 2023 9:55:44 GMT
The entire Rwanda plan is for show only.
Last year, net migration into the UK was 675,000, of which under 40,000 were cross-channel illegals. That's around 6%.
If the Govt achieved their target of sending 200 to Rwanda, that's 0.5% of those arriving and 0.03% of total net migration.
Yet, for some reason, it seems to be the prime totem of right-wing politics in this country. Bewildering.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 10:12:01 GMT
Actually looking at it. I might buy a dinghy, row into Dover and get a free flight. I have a spare dinghy going cheap.😂 |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 10, 2023 10:12:29 GMT
Rwanda just like France will keep taking our money for nothing in return, even if this Rwanda fiasco does take off it will only take a fraction of the illegals, returning them immediately back to France is the only sane cheap option, and we should be spending tax payers money on legally challenging Macron/France if he refuses to take them back.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 10, 2023 10:26:27 GMT
Rwanda just like France will keep taking our money for nothing in return, even if this Rwanda fiasco does take off it will only take a fraction of the illegals, returning them immediately back to France is the only sane cheap option, and we should be spending tax payers money on legally challenging Macron/France if he refuses to take them back. Returning them to France just wont work, they are not French. I wonder whether we should look at Rwanda version 2. Asylum seekers arriving in the UK are moved to camps (Nothing inhumane, but nothing fancy) They are then offered a choice. 1, Clearly prove your right to asylum and get the right to stay. Proof of persecution, torture, death. 2, Stay in the camp until its safe for you to return home. (Basically forever) 3, Accept refugee status and resettlement in Rwanda and travel willingly. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2023 10:29:45 GMT
The entire Rwanda plan is for show only. Last year, net migration into the UK was 675,000, of which under 40,000 were cross-channel illegals. That's around 6%. If the Govt achieved their target of sending 200 to Rwanda, that's 0.5% of those arriving and 0.03% of total net migration. Yet, for some reason, it seems to be the prime totem of right-wing politics in this country. Bewildering. Indeed Carty, it's pathetic. And the worrying thing is, it would appear that the pathetic Tory response to mass legal/illegal immigration is better than anything Labour is proposing. Perhaps this is why Reform are doing so well. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 10, 2023 10:30:08 GMT
Rwanda just like France will keep taking our money for nothing in return, even if this Rwanda fiasco does take off it will only take a fraction of the illegals, returning them immediately back to France is the only sane cheap option, and we should be spending tax payers money on legally challenging Macron/France if he refuses to take them back. I wonder whether we should look at Rwanda version 2. Asylum seekers arriving in the UK are moved to camps (Nothing inhumane, but nothing fancy) They are then offered a choice. 1, Clearly prove your right to asylum and get the right to stay. Proof of persecution, torture, death. 2, Stay in the camp until its safe for you to return home. (Basically forever) 3, Accept refugee status and resettlement in Rwanda and travel willingly. When all this COVID hype was going on they set up a Nightingale hospitals, I don't recall at the time anyone kicking up a fuss saying they were inhumane or illegal, this is what should be set up to house illegals, just the basics, shelter, bed, food and drink, if it's good enough for COVID patients it's good enough for illegal migrants, I have no idea why we are spending these insane amounts of money keeping illegal migrants in lucrative accommodation. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 10, 2023 10:40:01 GMT
You'd have thought that an international effort to actively target trafficking gangs, possibly with sanctions on states that harbour them, would be a better use of funding than the pointless Rwanda plan.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 10, 2023 10:47:21 GMT
We should create a new sentence for people smuggling: Whole life. And have a dedicated maximum security prison for people smugglers built in Scotland. Repeal Devolution.
Demolish the Scottish Parliament building and put it there.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 10, 2023 10:48:11 GMT
I wonder whether we should look at Rwanda version 2. Asylum seekers arriving in the UK are moved to camps (Nothing inhumane, but nothing fancy) They are then offered a choice. 1, Clearly prove your right to asylum and get the right to stay. Proof of persecution, torture, death. 2, Stay in the camp until its safe for you to return home. (Basically forever) 3, Accept refugee status and resettlement in Rwanda and travel willingly. When all this COVID hype was going on they set up a Nightingale hospitals, I don't recall at the time anyone kicking up a fuss saying they were inhumane or illegal, this is what should be set up to house illegals, just the basics, shelter, bed, food and drink, if it's good enough for COVID patients it's good enough for illegal migrants, I have no idea why we are spending these insane amounts of money keeping illegal migrants in lucrative accommodation. Agreed. And we have plenty of islands in the British Isles where these could be set up very cheaply and would provide an equal deterrent to the Rwanda plan without most of the legal challenges. |
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Post by Dogburger on Dec 10, 2023 10:48:12 GMT
What it seems everyone is forgetting in all this £240M deal is that we will take some of Rwanda's 'most vulnerable' asylum seekers in return for the ones we send there
If we do ever manage to get planes off the ground it will probably make little difference to the actual numbers .In fact given the shambles of this policy I can see half full planes going out and full ones coming back
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 10, 2023 10:49:08 GMT
We should create a new sentence for people smuggling: Whole life. And have a dedicated maximum security prison for people smugglers built in Scotland. Repeal Devolution. Demolish the Scottish Parliament building and put it there. Not a bad shout, but there's plenty of uninhabited Scottish islands. |
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