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Post by Einhorn on Dec 13, 2023 23:05:22 GMT
Take no notice . It’s only Zany stamping his feet . Sorry - getting to that stage of life where my putting up with idiots quotient is running out.. Good job nobody gives a stuff what you think, then.
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 13, 2023 23:08:30 GMT
Talking of stupid, why don't you just look up the law. Might save yourself days of stupidity. The Law is the Immigration Rules Appendix 3 - which you would already know is you had a clue what you were talking about. You are starting to sound as stupid as the Village Idiot. The law is in the Refugee Convention. You didn't even know that the common law judiciary makes the common law until recently. So, you'll understand if we take a second opinion on your declaration of the law, won't you? You're 80 years old, Doc. How do you get to be 80 and not know that the common law judges make the common law?
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 13, 2023 23:17:46 GMT
The Law is the Immigration Rules Appendix 3 - which you would already know is you had a clue what you were talking about. You are starting to sound as stupid as the Village Idiot. The law is in the Refugee Convention. You didn't even know that the common law judiciary makes the common law until recently. So, you'll understand if we take a second opinion on your declaration of the law, won't you? You're 80 years old, Doc. How do you get to be 80 and not know that the common law judges make the common law? FFS - how stupid are you?. The Ukrainians didn't come into the country under the Refugee Convention.
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 13, 2023 23:24:02 GMT
The law is in the Refugee Convention. You didn't even know that the common law judiciary makes the common law until recently. So, you'll understand if we take a second opinion on your declaration of the law, won't you? You're 80 years old, Doc. How do you get to be 80 and not know that the common law judges make the common law? FFS - how stupid are you?. The Ukrainians didn't come into the country under the Refugee Convention. No, but they were given permission to enter from a safe country! Those arriving from France have also been given permission to enter from a safe country. The permission comes from the Refugee Convention. You have demonstrated unbelievable levels of ignorance when it comes to the law. How could you not know that the common law judges make the common law? Seriously, how does someone live to age of 80 and not know that?
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 13, 2023 23:31:28 GMT
FFS - how stupid are you?. The Ukrainians didn't come into the country under the Refugee Convention. No, but they were given permission to enter from a safe country! I know you are the Village Idiot but FFS. Ukraine was invaded by Russia - there were tanks rolling through the streets and you say it is a 'safe country'..
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 13, 2023 23:35:36 GMT
No, but they were given permission to enter from a safe country! I know you are the Village Idiot but FFS. Ukraine was invaded by Russia - there were tanks rolling through the streets and you say it is a 'safe country'.. They travelled via Poland, Doc. Last I heard, Poland was just as safe as France.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 14, 2023 6:58:58 GMT
So back in the real world, just how many can you send to Rwanda? 1 in 10 perhaps? Which is still making the odds in favour of making the crossing good.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 14, 2023 7:34:56 GMT
So back in the real world, just how many can you send to Rwanda? 1 in 10 perhaps? Which is still making the odds in favour of making the crossing good. deterrents don't work like that
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Post by sheepy on Dec 14, 2023 7:37:01 GMT
So back in the real world, just how many can you send to Rwanda? 1 in 10 perhaps? Which is still making the odds in favour of making the crossing good. deterrents don't work like that I am just pointing out, it isn't a deterrent, it doesn't change the odds in your favour. Which should be fairly obvious.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 14, 2023 7:46:44 GMT
deterrents don't work like that I am just pointing out, it isn't a deterrent, it doesn't change the odds in your favour. Which should be fairly obvious. deterrents operate on the possibility of something happening - not on the guarantee that they will. for example people stick to speed limits because they might get caught - not because they know it's guaranteed they will. If you have a 10% chance of ending up in Rwanda then that is going to make some feel that paying £3000 is not a worthwhile chance to take. The numbers start reducing and then that 10% chance rises to 15%, then 20%. Before you know it the problem is solved.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 14, 2023 7:50:45 GMT
I am just pointing out, it isn't a deterrent, it doesn't change the odds in your favour. Which should be fairly obvious. deterrents operate on the possibility of something happening - not on the guarantee that they will. for example people stick to speed limits because they might get caught - not because they know it's guaranteed they will. If you have a 10% chance of ending up in Rwanda then that is going to make some feel that paying £3000 is not a worthwhile chance to take. The numbers start reducing and then that 10% chance rises to 15%, then 20%. Before you know it the problem is solved. In some parallel universe perhaps, if you listen to what these people say, they don't care what you want, they will give up their lives to get here if needs be, so the odds of being sent to Rwanda are still by far in their favour. It won't make a blind bit of difference; they have to be stopped long before they reach Calais.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 14, 2023 8:03:03 GMT
Talking of stupid, why don't you just look up the law. Might save yourself days of stupidity. The Law is the Immigration Rules Appendix 3 - which you would already know is you had a clue what you were talking about. You are starting to sound as stupid as the Village Idiot. Which has precisely nothing to do with seeking asylum.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 14, 2023 8:06:24 GMT
I am just pointing out, it isn't a deterrent, it doesn't change the odds in your favour. Which should be fairly obvious. deterrents operate on the possibility of something happening - not on the guarantee that they will. for example people stick to speed limits because they might get caught - not because they know it's guaranteed they will. If you have a 10% chance of ending up in Rwanda then that is going to make some feel that paying £3000 is not a worthwhile chance to take. The numbers start reducing and then that 10% chance rises to 15%, then 20%. Before you know it the problem is solved. Nonsense. Deterrents work on the likelihood of something happening. Its why shoplifting has soared.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 14, 2023 9:04:28 GMT
The Law is the Immigration Rules Appendix 3 - which you would already know is you had a clue what you were talking about. You are starting to sound as stupid as the Village Idiot. Which has precisely nothing to do with seeking asylum. They are the rules for gaining an asylum Visa for Ukrainian citizens. Surely this is not news..
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Post by sheepy on Dec 14, 2023 9:06:07 GMT
Well how the feck do we go about that then, sheepbrain, firstly there are well known routes set up by people smugglers, just a thought you might start with them, happy fecking Christmas. From the Grinch.
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