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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2023 22:52:49 GMT
At the begining of this video there's a warning, it says some people may find the content upsetting. I suspect that rather depends whether the person watching is of Pakistani heritage. I'm not, and I don't mind telling you I found it upsetting and it made me angry.
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 11, 2023 6:03:47 GMT
“Research has found that group-based child sexual exploitation offenders are most commonly white. Some studies suggest an overrepresentation of black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations. However, it is not possible to conclude that this is representative of all group-based CSE offending. “This is due to issues such as data-quality problems, the way the samples were selected in studies, and the potential for bias and inaccuracies in the way that ethnicity data is collected.” The inevitable prevarication didn't take long, did it. A senior police officer has admitted the force ignored 'Pakistani' grooming gangs - linkVictims and survivors let down by South Yorkshire's Police - linkBritish Pakistani researchers say 84% of grooming gang offenders are Asian - linkMass of information ref Pakistani heritage grooming gangs - link
Can you find just one grooming gang that was 'not' made up entirely, or predominantly of Pakistani heritage men?  "Can you find just one grooming gang that was 'not' made up entirely, or predominantly of Pakistani heritage men" www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/05/twenty-one-convicted-in-west-midlands-child-sexual-abuse-inquiry |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 11, 2023 7:55:15 GMT
Ignorant nonsense as usual. The common factor is that the people committing these crimes are overwhelmingly muslim. Most are Pakistanis because most muslims in the country are paks. But those offenders who aren't paks are from other muslim countries like Bangla and Afghanistan. It's a crime perpetrated by muslims against non-muslim girls. Get the facts right. And the reason for it is entirely obvious - read the Koran. Also read about the life of mohammed. He was a paedophile who had Christian concubines and married a 6 year old. Also look at what muslim children are taught at the madrassa - they're taught that kuffar women are prostitutes and infidels are worthless. Look at the transcripts from the trials of the scum who perpetrate these offences - it's a common theme that the defendants say that the girls are worthless scum. They don't attack muslim gitls because that's haram. The point is that the muslim gangs who attack these girls do NOT regard it as a crime - and nor do our police apparently. That's why it's so common all over the country. There is a reason for islamophobia, Sid. It's because the muslims - almost uniquely among religions now - regard those who aren't muslim as scum. That's why they cause trouble almost everywhere they go. A totally incorrect and false post - almost all the crimes against women and girls committed by grooming gangs are by men of Pakistani origin. The very relevant factor which makes this statement here wrong >> " The common factor is that the people committing these crimes are overwhelmingly muslim", is that British citizens or residents of Turkish, Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, Albanian or Sudanese origin are not committing these crimes.Looking at the evidence, of which there is plenty, it would be both unreasonable, and unfair to suggest that the common denominator is that these offenders are Muslim, well of course they are Muslim, because 99% of Pakistanis are Muslim. It would be like saying that car crime is almost always done by Christians, because most young black and white youths are from Christian backgrounds, but religion has got nothing to do with it. If you read the Jay Report (which is about the grooming gangs in Rotherham) Jay talks of the gangs being "overwhelmingly of Pakistani heritage" - and that's the headline that made the newspapers. However, if you actually read the report it talks also about Afghans and Bangladeshis being involved also. And she mentions that " Iraqi Kurds and Kosovan men were participating in organised activities against young women". In fact all those who are mentioned in connection with offences against the girls are from countries that are overwhelmingly muslim - and all the girls are white and non-muslim. Noticeable by their absence from blame in CSE offences are Indians. This is particularly interesting because Indians and Pakistanis are racially the same - it's just that Pakistanis are mostly muslim and Indians are mostly Hindu or Sikh. I worked for some time in scientific research so I'm well aware of the importance of establishing correlations and I know how to do that. And in this case the correlation is very obvious - it's muslim men attacking young non-muslim girls. And if you look at the Koran and the life of Mohammed you'll very quickly see why. I think the reason that Jay didn't point out this correlation is because it would have been very dangerous to make criticisms of Islam. She would have had to go into hiding in all probability. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 11, 2023 8:20:06 GMT
What "official paper" is this? I've never seen one. Moreover I've never even read about a case of "CSE gangs of white men" perpetrating this type of crime. Obviously there are white paedophiles and abusers who commit sex crimes but they're usually lone operators. These people know what they're doing is wrong. The point about the "Asian gangs" as you call them - although that's a slur on the many Asians who are not muslims who do NOT carry out these crimes - is that they are quite open about what they do, for the simple reason that they don't regard it as wrong. These people openly cruise around the streets picking up girls whom they abuse on an industrial scale. In Rotherham, for example, at least 1200 girls were abused by several hundred men ("overwhelmingly Pakistani") - and the muslim population of Rotherham is about 10,000. If whites were abusing on anything like this scale there'd be cases all over the media every day. The Guardian article is crap. Perhaps you've never read about white grooming gangs because you weren't looking for them: www.itv.com/news/central/2023-04-05/twenty-one-people-guilty-of-child-sexual-abuse-in-police-forces-biggest-caseIs that the only one you can find? It's not quite clear what was going on here. Who are the perpetrators and the victims? I'd need more info to give any opinion. It's certainly very different from the muslim grooming gangs we've been talking about where young non-muslim girls are rounded up and handed round their friends for rape and abuse. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 11, 2023 10:11:48 GMT
The report that you cite states:
"The investigation uncovered what was described as “the most appalling catalogue of sexual abuse” – sexual offences in the Walsall area against seven children aged 12 and under, spanning almost a decade."
vs The Rotherham scandal:
"It echoes Prof Alexis Jay's 2014 report that found 1,400 children in the town were targeted by grooming gangs during the period."
While any child sex offence is of course a heinous crime, the scale of offending is by no means comparable.
So while saying that two thirds of gangs may be white appears to suggest one thing, the number of victims says something very different.
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 11, 2023 14:07:21 GMT
It's very disappointing that, even when sexual abuse is carried out on such an industrial scale by a very well defined group of people i.e. muslims), some people can't spot it. You have to be monumentally thick not see what's going on with the muslim grooming gangs that have sprung up all round the country. And it's also very easy to see why these attacks are happening even if you have a limited knowledge of islam. It's simply regarded as normal in their culture. Paedophilia is rife and the attitude that kuffar women are prostitutes is taught in the madrassas from an early age.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 21:51:16 GMT
It's very disappointing that, even when sexual abuse is carried out on such an industrial scale by a very well defined group of people i.e. muslims), some people can't spot it. You have to be monumentally thick not see what's going on with the muslim grooming gangs that have sprung up all round the country. And it's also very easy to see why these attacks are happening even if you have a limited knowledge of islam. It's simply regarded as normal in their culture. Paedophilia is rife and the attitude that kuffar women are prostitutes is taught in the madrassas from an early age. The "very well defined group of people" you refer to are men of Pakistani backround, as stated in various reports, as bared out by actually looking into the backgrounds of the men found guily of these crimes. This is what Wikipedia states about one of the most well known, and most notorious casss (Rotherham) >>> " report concluded that an estimated 1,400 children had been sexually abused in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by British-Pakistani men. This is what Wikipedia states about the other particularly notorious case (Rochdale) >>> " The men were British Pakistanis" I realise of course that branding the perpetrators of these crimes as simply "Muslims" fits in with your racist mindset, but I feel its important to state facts. A persons faith DOES NOT make that person more likely to committ sexual offences, but a persons cultural background could. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 11, 2023 22:31:29 GMT
I realise of course that branding the perpetrators of these crimes as simply "Muslims" fits in with your racist mindset, but I feel its important to state facts. A persons faith DOES NOT make that person more likely to committ sexual offences, but a persons cultural background could.
How many Hindus, Christians and Jews are involved in these grooming gangs? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 12, 2023 8:28:42 GMT
It's very disappointing that, even when sexual abuse is carried out on such an industrial scale by a very well defined group of people i.e. muslims), some people can't spot it. You have to be monumentally thick not see what's going on with the muslim grooming gangs that have sprung up all round the country. And it's also very easy to see why these attacks are happening even if you have a limited knowledge of islam. It's simply regarded as normal in their culture. Paedophilia is rife and the attitude that kuffar women are prostitutes is taught in the madrassas from an early age. The "very well defined group of people" you refer to are men of Pakistani backround, as stated in various reports, as bared out by actually looking into the backgrounds of the men found guily of these crimes. This is what Wikipedia states about one of the most well known, and most notorious casss (Rotherham) >>> " report concluded that an estimated 1,400 children had been sexually abused in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by British-Pakistani men. This is what Wikipedia states about the other particularly notorious case (Rochdale) >>> " The men were British Pakistanis" I realise of course that branding the perpetrators of these crimes as simply "Muslims" fits in with your racist mindset, but I feel its important to state facts. A persons faith DOES NOT make that person more likely to committ sexual offences, but a persons cultural background could. Muslims are NOT a race, Sidney. It's actually more racist to categorise these gangs as "Pakistanis", when in fact there are other non-Asians who perpetrate these grooming offences - and they're muslims. The reason why most of the gangs are "Pakistanis" is simply because most muslims in this country are Pakistanis. There's an old scientific saying, that's relevant here: "The exception proves the rule" (where "proves" means "tests"). So if you've established your correlation (by reading Wiki apparently) that perpetrating this type of crime is confined to Pakistanis you then need to look around for any "exceptions". And you very quickly find that there are exceptions to this - like Bangladeshis and Afghans for example. So your correlation isn't secure. What does work is for the correlation to be between this crime and being muslim. And it's plainly NOT to do with race as Indian Hindus (who are the same race as Pakistanis) don't perpetrate these crimes. As to why the Jay Report (and others) talk about this crime being perpetrated "overwhelmingly by Pakistanis" I'd point out that the authors of these reports are not scientists - but also I suggest that if they'd said the crime was associated with Islam there would have been a huge backlash from the muslim community. But the fact remains that it's plainly associated with the religion of these people and, if you look back through history, you'll find that the muslims have a long history of abusing non-muslim girls/women whenever they get they get the opportunity. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 12, 2023 10:27:41 GMT
It's very disappointing that, even when sexual abuse is carried out on such an industrial scale by a very well defined group of people i.e. muslims), some people can't spot it. You have to be monumentally thick not see what's going on with the muslim grooming gangs that have sprung up all round the country. And it's also very easy to see why these attacks are happening even if you have a limited knowledge of islam. It's simply regarded as normal in their culture. Paedophilia is rife and the attitude that kuffar women are prostitutes is taught in the madrassas from an early age. The "very well defined group of people" you refer to are men of Pakistani backround, as stated in various reports, as bared out by actually looking into the backgrounds of the men found guily of these crimes. This is what Wikipedia states about one of the most well known, and most notorious casss (Rotherham) >>> " report concluded that an estimated 1,400 children had been sexually abused in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by British-Pakistani men. This is what Wikipedia states about the other particularly notorious case (Rochdale) >>> " The men were British Pakistanis" I realise of course that branding the perpetrators of these crimes as simply "Muslims" fits in with your racist mindset, but I feel its important to state facts. A persons faith DOES NOT make that person more likely to committ sexual offences, but a persons cultural background could. Many of the victims were quite clear in that Islam was referred to by some of the perpetrators in context of the rapes and abuse. A faith may help remove the social barriers that prevent such action in others. If the faith bolsters the view that those of the faith are the best and others are little better than cattle it will have an effect. Also faith is a very important component of culture. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 12, 2023 12:11:14 GMT
The single case you eventually found ^ is not a 'grooming gang' who were charged with type 1 CSE offences. They are certainly low life scum who should, in my opinion, have received far harsher sentences. However, gangs of low life scum who are charged with type 1 CSE offences tend to be entirely or predominantly made up of men of Pakistani heritage, who incidentally make up just 2.7% of the UK population. In other words, when it comes to Child Sexual Exploitation offences, men of Pakistani heritage are prolific offenders. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 12, 2023 17:27:51 GMT
The right-wing lying insinuations from "people like you" only muddy the waters. That enough hasn't been done is not in dispute. To imply that nothing had been done would be dishonest. I am not 'implying' nothing has been done. I'm telling you, as the report says, that very little has been done. The first case of 'Pakistani heritage grooming gangs' in this country was recorded in Wolverhampton in 1976. Since then local authorities, the police and government have all but ignored it. Indeed anyone who dared to mention Pakistani heritage grooming gangs was shouted down as a right wing racist by minority appeasing left wing people and authorities. See LABOUR’S COVER-UP linkThis politically correct incompetence made it very easy for grooming gangs to rape, sexually torture and traffic children on an industrial scale all over the country. Pakistani heritage grooming gangs have infected towns and cities up and down the country from Plymouth to Glasgow and in many cases the police response has been nothing short of criminal. Quote: Peter McLoughlin spent years believing the Leftist narrative, namely it was 'a racist myth' that organised Muslim groups in Britain (‘grooming gangs’) were luring white schoolgirls into a life of prostitution. But in 2009 he first encountered people who said their children had been groomed like this. So McLoughlin dug deeper and what he found shocked him: there were mounds of evidence that suggested social workers, police officers, Muslim organisations, journalists and even some Members of Parliament must have known about these grooming gangs for decades, and they had turned a blind-eye to these crimes. He also came across references to incidents where any proof had since vanished.
Anyone who thinks it racist to mention 'Pakistani heritage grooming gangs' needs to read this volume. And I warn you now, it's difficult to read without becoming angry.  There was a period when these gangs were pleasing themselves. Are you claiming that they are still there and are still pleasing themselves today? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 12, 2023 17:30:45 GMT
There was a period when these gangs were pleasing themselves. Are you claiming that they are still there and are still pleasing themselves today? Have you some evidence to suggest otherwise? |
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Post by see2 on Dec 12, 2023 17:32:51 GMT
The inevitable prevarication didn't take long, did it. A senior police officer has admitted the force ignored 'Pakistani' grooming gangs - linkVictims and survivors let down by South Yorkshire's Police - linkBritish Pakistani researchers say 84% of grooming gang offenders are Asian - linkMass of information ref Pakistani heritage grooming gangs - link
Can you find just one grooming gang that was 'not' made up entirely, or predominantly of Pakistani heritage men? "Can you find just one grooming gang that was 'not' made up entirely, or predominantly of Pakistani heritage men" www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/05/twenty-one-convicted-in-west-midlands-child-sexual-abuse-inquiryWith all of these men arrested it is clear that something is being done about these gangs. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 12, 2023 17:34:40 GMT
There was a period when these gangs were pleasing themselves. Are you claiming that they are still there and are still pleasing themselves today? Have you some evidence to suggest otherwise? Please try answering my question first. |
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