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Post by happyhornet on Dec 9, 2023 10:33:00 GMT
I don't want to delve too deeply into this, because the subject has been done to death, but before we condemn the police and other authorities too harshly it's worth considering the victims: They largely came from broken homes, care homes and criminal backgrounds. Runaways, waifs & strays, drug addicts. The very people, in other words, who were least likely to speak to the police, the least likely to cooperate with prosecutions and the least likely to be believed/make credible witnesses if they did. Which is exactly why they were targeted in the first place. These days we'd call them “Vulnerable” but I'm not sure that the system would be any more sympathetic to such people now. There was a class element that has been barely mentioned, that's another subject we as a society don't like to talk about. But victims of all backgrounds aren't believed, there's a reason why only 1% of rapes lead to convictions. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 9, 2023 10:44:37 GMT
I don't want to delve too deeply into this, because the subject has been done to death, but before we condemn the police and other authorities too harshly it's worth considering the victims: They largely came from broken homes, care homes and criminal backgrounds. Runaways, waifs & strays, drug addicts. The very people, in other words, who were least likely to speak to the police, the least likely to cooperate with prosecutions and the least likely to be believed/make credible witnesses if they did. Which is exactly why they were targeted in the first place. These days we'd call them “Vulnerable” but I'm not sure that the system would be any more sympathetic to such people now. I'm not surprised to see you preferring to remain uninformed  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 9, 2023 10:45:05 GMT
I don't want to delve too deeply into this, because the subject has been done to death, but before we condemn the police and other authorities too harshly it's worth considering the victims: They largely came from broken homes, care homes and criminal backgrounds. Runaways, waifs & strays, drug addicts. The very people, in other words, who were least likely to speak to the police, the least likely to cooperate with prosecutions and the least likely to be believed/make credible witnesses if they did. Which is exactly why they were targeted in the first place. These days we'd call them “Vulnerable” but I'm not sure that the system would be any more sympathetic to such people now. There was a class element that has been barely mentioned, that's another subject we as a society don't like to talk about. But victims of all backgrounds aren't believed, there's a reason why only 1% of rapes lead to convictions. Wrong.
But complex and a different debate.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 9, 2023 11:40:49 GMT
Fury at police inaction as damning report reveals failures.Leading campaigners, lawyers, survivors and whistleblowers have slammed the police response to child exploitation gangs after a new report has found widespread failures by forces across the country. The influential voices have called for urgent action after the police watchdog listed a litany of failures, including persistent victim blaming, poor data collection and a lack of specialist officers. Over 40% of the 2,000 survivors on the Maggie Oliver Foundation database have been arrested or threatened with arrest after reporting rape or sexual violence, this clearly demonstrates that all too often police are still focusing on victims and not perpetrators. www.gbnews.com/news/grooming-gang-scandal-police-inaction-damning-report-failuresThought grooming gangs had gone away? Not a chance. Just because lefties insist it's racist to mention grooming gangs doesn't mean it's gone away. It's the story that just keeps on giving. __"The review by His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services (HMICFRS) found that just nine of the 27 investigations it assessed were “good.” Fourteen were found “requiring improvement” and four were deemed “inadequate.”
Responding to the report, the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) lead for Child Protection Ian Critchley said “there is still more to be done”, but outlined that the forces that had invested in specialist teams delivered an “enhanced quality of investigation.”__So it's not the case that nothing is being done, or that there is no improvement. Righties often ignore the positives preferring to denigrate and insinuate in their pathetic desire to attack "lefties". For more dishonesty, vote right-wing. The review said many things, none of which were very complimentary to the government, police or local authorities. It said that over a decade after the crisis of child abuse gangs exploded into the public consciousness, it expected to see a greater understanding of the problem. Instead, it said that it was disappointed that an accurate view of group‑based child sexual exploitation still wasn’t available, data collection was unreliable and intelligence gathering wasn’t prioritised. It said the police had been "found wanting" in the investigation of child abuse gangs and Alan Collins, one of the country’s leading solicitors in the field of child abuse litigation said there was still a culture of victim blaming. It would seem thanks to people like you, that the government the police and local authorities still don't take grooming gangs seriously. |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 9, 2023 12:40:22 GMT
__"The review by His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services (HMICFRS) found that just nine of the 27 investigations it assessed were “good.” Fourteen were found “requiring improvement” and four were deemed “inadequate.”
Responding to the report, the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) lead for Child Protection Ian Critchley said “there is still more to be done”, but outlined that the forces that had invested in specialist teams delivered an “enhanced quality of investigation.”__So it's not the case that nothing is being done, or that there is no improvement. Righties often ignore the positives preferring to denigrate and insinuate in their pathetic desire to attack "lefties". For more dishonesty, vote right-wing. The review said many things, none of which were very complimentary to the government, police or local authorities. It said that over a decade after the crisis of child abuse gangs exploded into the public consciousness, it expected to see a greater understanding of the problem. Instead, it said that it was disappointed that an accurate view of group‑based child sexual exploitation still wasn’t available, data collection was unreliable and intelligence gathering wasn’t prioritised. It said the police had been "found wanting" in the investigation of child abuse gangs and Alan Collins, one of the country’s leading solicitors in the field of child abuse litigation said there was still a culture of victim blaming. It would seem thanks to people like you, that the government the police and local authorities still don't take grooming gangs seriously. The government are responsible for what the government do and don't do, nobody else. |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 9, 2023 12:40:35 GMT
There was a class element that has been barely mentioned, that's another subject we as a society don't like to talk about. But victims of all backgrounds aren't believed, there's a reason why only 1% of rapes lead to convictions. Wrong.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 9, 2023 13:19:21 GMT
Plenty. But let's not derail the thread with whataboutery, eh?
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Post by see2 on Dec 9, 2023 13:25:28 GMT
__"The review by His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services (HMICFRS) found that just nine of the 27 investigations it assessed were “good.” Fourteen were found “requiring improvement” and four were deemed “inadequate.”
Responding to the report, the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) lead for Child Protection Ian Critchley said “there is still more to be done”, but outlined that the forces that had invested in specialist teams delivered an “enhanced quality of investigation.”__So it's not the case that nothing is being done, or that there is no improvement. Righties often ignore the positives preferring to denigrate and insinuate in their pathetic desire to attack "lefties". For more dishonesty, vote right-wing. The review said many things, none of which were very complimentary to the government, police or local authorities. It said that over a decade after the crisis of child abuse gangs exploded into the public consciousness, it expected to see a greater understanding of the problem. Instead, it said that it was disappointed that an accurate view of group‑based child sexual exploitation still wasn’t available, data collection was unreliable and intelligence gathering wasn’t prioritised. It said the police had been "found wanting" in the investigation of child abuse gangs and Alan Collins, one of the country’s leading solicitors in the field of child abuse litigation said there was still a culture of victim blaming. It would seem thanks to people like you, that the government the police and local authorities still don't take grooming gangs seriously. The right-wing lying insinuations from "people like you" only muddy the waters. That enough hasn't been done is not in dispute. To imply that nothing had been done would be dishonest. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2023 13:49:54 GMT
On matters of race, faith, culture and ethnicity, including grooming gangs, the populist Right cannot go any further than condemning, which usually always involing insults or abuse towards immigrants or people of immigrant backgrounds.
It seems to me that Pragmatism is the sole preserve of those of us who class ourselves as moderate progressives.
The blatantly obvious question on the issue of grooming gangs, has surely got to be .. What can we do about it ?
In my opinion, we seek them out and punish them, but then theres the wider cultural question of attitudes towards women and young girls. It must begin in schools, and teaching young males of Pakistani origin should be taken into homes, community centres and Mosques.
According to what I have read and understand, the problem is with particular families, those which originate from particular areas, especially poorer, rural areas, often less educated and poorer.
Re-education is the answer, males in areas with high numbers of ethnic Pakistani's must be taught to understand who they are, and that they have to conform to British standards, including in matters of equality and the treatment of women.
There surely is no ther way, you cannot deport British people to another country, especially if they do not hold dual citizenship, or have never been to Pakistan.
Just punishment PLUS education
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 9, 2023 17:50:58 GMT
On matters of race, faith, culture and ethnicity, including grooming gangs, the populist Right cannot go any further than condemning, which usually always involing insults or abuse towards immigrants or people of immigrant backgrounds. It seems to me that Pragmatism is the sole preserve of those of us who class ourselves as moderate progressives. The blatantly obvious question on the issue of grooming gangs, has surely got to be .. What can we do about it ? In my opinion, we seek them out and punish them, but then theres the wider cultural question of attitudes towards women and young girls. It must begin in schools, and teaching young males of Pakistani origin should be taken into homes, community centres and Mosques. According to what I have read and understand, the problem is with particular families, those which originate from particular areas, especially poorer, rural areas, often less educated and poorer. Re-education is the answer, males in areas with high numbers of ethnic Pakistani's must be taught to understand who they are, and that they have to conform to British standards, including in matters of equality and the treatment of women. There surely is no ther way, you cannot deport British people to another country, especially if they do not hold dual citizenship, or have never been to Pakistan. Just punishment PLUS education As usual, no one is suggesting otherwise fiddler - but well done in attempting to invent a Faux Right issue.  Still, at least you've agreed that it's a disgusting foreign cultural issue that has no place in civilised society. Well done. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2023 9:49:02 GMT
The review said many things, none of which were very complimentary to the government, police or local authorities. It said that over a decade after the crisis of child abuse gangs exploded into the public consciousness, it expected to see a greater understanding of the problem. Instead, it said that it was disappointed that an accurate view of group‑based child sexual exploitation still wasn’t available, data collection was unreliable and intelligence gathering wasn’t prioritised. It said the police had been "found wanting" in the investigation of child abuse gangs and Alan Collins, one of the country’s leading solicitors in the field of child abuse litigation said there was still a culture of victim blaming. It would seem thanks to people like you, that the government the police and local authorities still don't take grooming gangs seriously. The right-wing lying insinuations from "people like you" only muddy the waters. That enough hasn't been done is not in dispute. To imply that nothing had been done would be dishonest. I am not 'implying' nothing has been done. I'm telling you, as the report says, that very little has been done. The first case of 'Pakistani heritage grooming gangs' in this country was recorded in Wolverhampton in 1976. Since then local authorities, the police and government have all but ignored it. Indeed anyone who dared to mention Pakistani heritage grooming gangs was shouted down as a right wing racist by minority appeasing left wing people and authorities. See LABOUR’S COVER-UP linkThis politically correct incompetence made it very easy for grooming gangs to rape, sexually torture and traffic children on an industrial scale all over the country. Pakistani heritage grooming gangs have infected towns and cities up and down the country from Plymouth to Glasgow and in many cases the police response has been nothing short of criminal. Quote: Peter McLoughlin spent years believing the Leftist narrative, namely it was 'a racist myth' that organised Muslim groups in Britain (‘grooming gangs’) were luring white schoolgirls into a life of prostitution. But in 2009 he first encountered people who said their children had been groomed like this. So McLoughlin dug deeper and what he found shocked him: there were mounds of evidence that suggested social workers, police officers, Muslim organisations, journalists and even some Members of Parliament must have known about these grooming gangs for decades, and they had turned a blind-eye to these crimes. He also came across references to incidents where any proof had since vanished.
Anyone who thinks it racist to mention 'Pakistani heritage grooming gangs' needs to read this volume. And I warn you now, it's difficult to read without becoming angry.  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2023 9:53:11 GMT
On matters of race, faith, culture and ethnicity, including grooming gangs, the populist Right cannot go any further than condemning, which usually always involing insults or abuse towards immigrants or people of immigrant backgrounds. It seems to me that Pragmatism is the sole preserve of those of us who class ourselves as moderate progressives. The blatantly obvious question on the issue of grooming gangs, has surely got to be .. What can we do about it ? In my opinion, we seek them out and punish them, but then theres the wider cultural question of attitudes towards women and young girls. It must begin in schools, and teaching young males of Pakistani origin should be taken into homes, community centres and Mosques. According to what I have read and understand, the problem is with particular families, those which originate from particular areas, especially poorer, rural areas, often less educated and poorer. Re-education is the answer, males in areas with high numbers of ethnic Pakistani's must be taught to understand who they are, and that they have to conform to British standards, including in matters of equality and the treatment of women. There surely is no ther way, you cannot deport British people to another country, especially if they do not hold dual citizenship, or have never been to Pakistan. Just punishment PLUS education People with your attitude are a part of the problem, and the reason you are a part of the problem is because you don't know what you're talking about. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 9:55:56 GMT
So I am criticised for ideas on solutions to grooming gangs
Well then, lets hear what those that criticise believe are the solutions ?
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Post by jonksy on Dec 10, 2023 9:58:47 GMT
So I am criticised for ideas on solutions to grooming gangs Well then, lets hear what those that criticise believe are the solutions ? A short rope and a long drop wouldn't be a bad idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 11:52:44 GMT
So I am criticised for ideas on solutions to grooming gangs Well then, lets hear what those that criticise believe are the solutions ? A short rope and a long drop wouldn't be a bad idea. Sensible suggestions, not pie in the sky answers The death penalty is not in use in the UK, and is not likely to ever return But apart from your non-starter suggestion, no one else it seems has anything to offer |
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