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Post by Bentley on Dec 10, 2023 12:04:15 GMT
I don't want to delve too deeply into this, because the subject has been done to death, but before we condemn the police and other authorities too harshly it's worth considering the victims: They largely came from broken homes, care homes and criminal backgrounds. Runaways, waifs & strays, drug addicts. The very people, in other words, who were least likely to speak to the police, the least likely to cooperate with prosecutions and the least likely to be believed/make credible witnesses if they did. Which is exactly why they were targeted in the first place. These days we'd call them “Vulnerable” but I'm not sure that the system would be any more sympathetic to such people now. There was a class element that has been barely mentioned, that's another subject we as a society don't like to talk about. But victims of all backgrounds aren't believed, there's a reason why only 1% of rapes lead to convictions. Evidence ? Would you like to change that to ‘ alleged rapes’ ? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2023 12:29:34 GMT
"The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said.The report, which covers England, Scotland and Wales and summarises a range of studies on the issue of group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE), also known as grooming gangs, said there was not enough evidence to conclude that child sexual abuse gangs were disproportionately made up of Asian offenders." www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-reportThat said inaction by the authorities is entirely believable coming from a government that may as well have decriminalised rape. It's not just a government problem, I think it's a societal issue too. I wish I had an answer. That is absolute nonsense. It's the same politically correct minority appeasing lies that for years has covered up the grooming gang scandal. It's the same bullshit lefties always come out with but never provide any evidence for. Grooming gang offences come under type 1 (The most serious) CSE (Child sexual exploitation) offences. Lefties never mention this. Can you furnish me with the details of the last or indeed any grooming gang in this country that have ever been charged and convicted of type 1 CSE (Grooming gang) offences, that was 'not' made up of men of Pakistani heritage? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 12:59:13 GMT
The suggestion that "The Left" always attempts to ignore or cover up certain facts relating to child sex grooming gangs, simply does not stand up. In each case, LABOUR MPs for Northern constituencies where high numbers of these incidents took place, have spoken out bluntly about it.
(2013) "I can understand why she (Berelowitz) is afraid of being called a racist... but this is about protecting young victims," Ann Cryer, former MP for Keighley, told The Times
"We can not ignore the statistics staring us in the face. We need to look at... perpetrators and ask what is in their background that makes them behave this way."
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A report by the deputy children's commissioner in 2012 said that 33% of child sex abuse by gangs in Britain was committed by British Asians
Which of course means that 67% of child sex abuse commited by gangs, is not committed by Asians
However, it has to be pointed out that evidence clearly does point to a high PROPORTION of these crimes been committed by Asian men considering the percentage of the population which is Asian.
No matter what you read on-line, there is absolutely no evidence what so ever that the Muslim faith has anything to do with this, it is a cultural issue imported almost solely from Pakistan.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 10, 2023 13:41:03 GMT
Which of course means that 67% of child sex abuse commited by gangs, is not committed by Asians... So where are all of these white grooming gangs (that we've strangely never heard of) then? |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 10, 2023 13:47:30 GMT
A short rope and a long drop wouldn't be a bad idea. Sensible suggestions, not pie in the sky answers The death penalty is not in use in the UK, and is not likely to ever return But apart from your non-starter suggestion, no one else it seems has anything to offer It was a sencible sugegestion. Thanks to lefy woke hand wringers there is no deterant that will stop these arseholes who groom our young girls. Funny enough if my suggesion was to come to fruition they would never ever reooffend. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 10, 2023 13:49:26 GMT
Which of course means that 67% of child sex abuse commited by gangs, is not committed by Asians... (that we've strangely never heard of) then? They live in fiddlers head. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2023 18:06:56 GMT
The suggestion that "The Left" always attempts to ignore or cover up certain facts relating to child sex grooming gangs, simply does not stand up. In each case, LABOUR MPs for Northern constituencies where high numbers of these incidents took place, have spoken out bluntly about it. (2013) "I can understand why she (Berelowitz) is afraid of being called a racist... but this is about protecting young victims," Ann Cryer, former MP for Keighley, told The Times "We can not ignore the statistics staring us in the face. We need to look at... perpetrators and ask what is in their background that makes them behave this way." As for WHO COMMITS THESE CRIMES ------------------------------- A report by the deputy children's commissioner in 2012 said that 33% of child sex abuse by gangs in Britain was committed by British Asians Which of course means that 67% of child sex abuse commited by gangs, is not committed by Asians However, it has to be pointed out that evidence clearly does point to a high PROPORTION of these crimes been committed by Asian men considering the percentage of the population which is Asian. No matter what you read on-line, there is absolutely no evidence what so ever that the Muslim faith has anything to do with this, it is a cultural issue imported almost solely from Pakistan. LABOUR’S COVER-UP: Gordon Brown’s Government ‘Urged’ Police Not To Investigate Grooming Gangs - linkLeft wing Independent: British Pakistani researchers say 84% of grooming gang members are Asian - linkYour attitude is not only ignorant, but it's dangerous. You and people like you are the reason the grooming gang scandal has been ignored for decades. You're fond of talking about reports and quoting figures and percentages, but it's never backed up with any evidence is it, you never provide a link. In other words you're posting opinion, and your opinion is typically left wing, naive and ignorant. |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 10, 2023 21:55:15 GMT
"The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said.The report, which covers England, Scotland and Wales and summarises a range of studies on the issue of group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE), also known as grooming gangs, said there was not enough evidence to conclude that child sexual abuse gangs were disproportionately made up of Asian offenders." www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-reportThat said inaction by the authorities is entirely believable coming from a government that may as well have decriminalised rape. It's not just a government problem, I think it's a societal issue too. I wish I had an answer. That is absolute nonsense. It's the same politically correct minority appeasing lies that for years has covered up the grooming gang scandal. It's the same bullshit lefties always come out with but never provide any evidence for. Grooming gang offences come under type 1 (The most serious) CSE (Child sexual exploitation) offences. Lefties never mention this. Can you furnish me with the details of the last or indeed any grooming gang in this country that have ever been charged and convicted of type 1 CSE (Grooming gang) offences, that was 'not' made up of men of Pakistani heritage? It's all in the link in the post you quoted. I'm sorry if the facts don't fit your preconception and emotion driven narrative, but the facts are the facts. |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 10, 2023 21:58:29 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2023 22:01:25 GMT
That is absolute nonsense. It's the same politically correct minority appeasing lies that for years has covered up the grooming gang scandal. It's the same bullshit lefties always come out with but never provide any evidence for. Grooming gang offences come under type 1 (The most serious) CSE (Child sexual exploitation) offences. Lefties never mention this. Can you furnish me with the details of the last or indeed any grooming gang in this country that have ever been charged and convicted of type 1 CSE (Grooming gang) offences, that was 'not' made up of men of Pakistani heritage? It's all in the link in the post you quoted. I'm sorry if the facts don't fit your preconception and emotion driven narrative, but the facts are the facts. Pillock, grooming gangs are charged with type 1 CSE offences. Your link doesn't mention type 1 CSE offences. I wonder why? |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 10, 2023 22:06:51 GMT
It's all in the link in the post you quoted. I'm sorry if the facts don't fit your preconception and emotion driven narrative, but the facts are the facts. Pillock, grooming gangs are charged with type 1 CSE offences. Your link doesn't mention type 1 CSE offences. I wonder why? It says this: "The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said." |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2023 22:18:22 GMT
Pillock, grooming gangs are charged with type 1 CSE offences. Your link doesn't mention type 1 CSE offences. I wonder why? It says this: "The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said." If as you falsely claim the 'majority' of child sex abuse gangs in this country are made up of white men, there must be lots of evidence out there. There is certainly lots of evidence to show the vast majority of those charged are men of Pakistani heritage, however. Can you furnish me with the details of one, just one, grooming gang in this country that have been charged and convicted of type 1 CSE (Grooming gang) offences, and was 'not' made up of men of Pakistani heritage? I await the inevitable prevarication... |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 10, 2023 22:29:35 GMT
It says this: "The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said." If as you falsely claim the 'majority' of child sex abuse gangs in this country are made up of white men, there must be lots of evidence out there. There is certainly lots of evidence to show the vast majority of those charged are men of Pakistani heritage, however. Can you furnish me with the details of one, just one, grooming gang in this country that have been charged and convicted of type 1 CSE (Grooming gang) offences, and was 'not' made up of men of Pakistani heritage? I await the inevitable prevarication... “Research has found that group-based child sexual exploitation offenders are most commonly white. Some studies suggest an overrepresentation of black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations. However, it is not possible to conclude that this is representative of all group-based CSE offending. “This is due to issues such as data-quality problems, the way the samples were selected in studies, and the potential for bias and inaccuracies in the way that ethnicity data is collected.” |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 10, 2023 22:34:37 GMT
Just out of interest I looked up this claim - it appears that 'White men' include Eastern Europeans, Gypsy's, Hispanic's and Turk's.
Even after lumping them altogether the proportion (relative to population) of child sex abuse abuse gangs whose ethnic orientation is Asian far outnumber 'white men'
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2023 22:45:39 GMT
If as you falsely claim the 'majority' of child sex abuse gangs in this country are made up of white men, there must be lots of evidence out there. There is certainly lots of evidence to show the vast majority of those charged are men of Pakistani heritage, however. Can you furnish me with the details of one, just one, grooming gang in this country that have been charged and convicted of type 1 CSE (Grooming gang) offences, and was 'not' made up of men of Pakistani heritage? I await the inevitable prevarication... “Research has found that group-based child sexual exploitation offenders are most commonly white. Some studies suggest an overrepresentation of black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations. However, it is not possible to conclude that this is representative of all group-based CSE offending. “This is due to issues such as data-quality problems, the way the samples were selected in studies, and the potential for bias and inaccuracies in the way that ethnicity data is collected.” The inevitable prevarication didn't take long, did it. A senior police officer has admitted the force ignored 'Pakistani' grooming gangs - linkVictims and survivors let down by South Yorkshire's Police - linkBritish Pakistani researchers say 84% of grooming gang offenders are Asian - linkMass of information ref Pakistani heritage grooming gangs - link
Can you find just one grooming gang that was 'not' made up entirely, or predominantly of Pakistani heritage men?  |
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