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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 8, 2023 18:57:21 GMT
Fury at police inaction as damning report reveals failures.Leading campaigners, lawyers, survivors and whistleblowers have slammed the police response to child exploitation gangs after a new report has found widespread failures by forces across the country. The influential voices have called for urgent action after the police watchdog listed a litany of failures, including persistent victim blaming, poor data collection and a lack of specialist officers. Over 40% of the 2,000 survivors on the Maggie Oliver Foundation database have been arrested or threatened with arrest after reporting rape or sexual violence, this clearly demonstrates that all too often police are still focusing on victims and not perpetrators. www.gbnews.com/news/grooming-gang-scandal-police-inaction-damning-report-failuresThought grooming gangs had gone away? Not a chance. Just because lefties insist it's racist to mention grooming gangs doesn't mean it's gone away. It's the story that just keeps on giving.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2023 19:36:04 GMT
A cultural problem or a race problem ?
Let me explain - If I were to mention stoning people to death, most people would say "its an Islamic punishment", and that would be untrue. Stoning people to death is a form of death penalty originating in the middle east, and which was practiced by Muslims, Christians, Jews and Zoroastranians.
Most of the child grooming gangs in this country in recent years have one thing in common, AND IT IS NOT THAT THEY ARE MOSTLY COMMITTED BY MUSLIMS.
It is that most of the incidents are committed by men of Pakistani origin, and yes it is true that 99% of Pakistani people are Muslim, but the point is that these incidents have not been committed by people of Iranian, Turkish, Iraqi or Afghnan origin, or by European Muslims who are either resident, or citizens of the UK.
There is a cultural problem, whereby far too many Pakistani men believe that women or girls are here for their pleasure, to do with them as they so please, and that it is a females duty to obey men.
So we all know what the problem is, the next question is what do we do about it ?
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 8, 2023 21:51:22 GMT
So we all know what the problem is, the next question is what do we do about it ? What would be your prescription Sid?
Repatriate them all back to Pakistan?
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 9, 2023 7:50:24 GMT
A cultural problem or a race problem ? Let me explain - If I were to mention stoning people to death, most people would say "its an Islamic punishment", and that would be untrue. Stoning people to death is a form of death penalty originating in the middle east, and which was practiced by Muslims, Christians, Jews and Zoroastranians. Most of the child grooming gangs in this country in recent years have one thing in common, AND IT IS NOT THAT THEY ARE MOSTLY COMMITTED BY MUSLIMS. It is that most of the incidents are committed by men of Pakistani origin, and yes it is true that 99% of Pakistani people are Muslim, but the point is that these incidents have not been committed by people of Iranian, Turkish, Iraqi or Afghnan origin, or by European Muslims who are either resident, or citizens of the UK. There is a cultural problem, whereby far too many Pakistani men believe that women or girls are here for their pleasure, to do with them as they so please, and that it is a females duty to obey men. So we all know what the problem is, the next question is what do we do about it ? Ignorant nonsense as usual. The common factor is that the people committing these crimes are overwhelmingly muslim. Most are Pakistanis because most muslims in the country are paks. But those offenders who aren't paks are from other muslim countries like Bangla and Afghanistan. It's a crime perpetrated by muslims against non-muslim girls. Get the facts right. And the reason for it is entirely obvious - read the Koran. Also read about the life of mohammed. He was a paedophile who had Christian concubines and married a 6 year old. Also look at what muslim children are taught at the madrassa - they're taught that kuffar women are prostitutes and infidels are worthless. Look at the transcripts from the trials of the scum who perpetrate these offences - it's a common theme that the defendants say that the girls are worthless scum. They don't attack muslim gitls because that's haram. The point is that the muslim gangs who attack these girls do NOT regard it as a crime - and nor do our police apparently. That's why it's so common all over the country. There is a reason for islamophobia, Sid. It's because the muslims - almost uniquely among religions now - regard those who aren't muslim as scum. That's why they cause trouble almost everywhere they go. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 9, 2023 8:14:24 GMT
A cultural problem or a race problem ? Let me explain - If I were to mention stoning people to death, most people would say "its an Islamic punishment", and that would be untrue. Stoning people to death is a form of death penalty originating in the middle east, and which was practiced by Muslims, Christians, Jews and Zoroastranians. Most of the child grooming gangs in this country in recent years have one thing in common, AND IT IS NOT THAT THEY ARE MOSTLY COMMITTED BY MUSLIMS. It is that most of the incidents are committed by men of Pakistani origin, and yes it is true that 99% of Pakistani people are Muslim, but the point is that these incidents have not been committed by people of Iranian, Turkish, Iraqi or Afghnan origin, or by European Muslims who are either resident, or citizens of the UK. There is a cultural problem, whereby far too many Pakistani men believe that women or girls are here for their pleasure, to do with them as they so please, and that it is a females duty to obey men. So we all know what the problem is, the next question is what do we do about it ? My first thought on reading your views was that within Saudi Arabia it is considered better that teenage girls perish in fire than be seen by men in a state of undress. You DO remember that, Sid ? The fire in the dormitory of a girl’s ‘school’ (such as it was given the views of their religious police on the pointlessness of educating females) and the PUBLIC position taken by the state as announced by said moral guardians of the Kingdom that it was better that the girls die trapped behind a locked door than it be unlocked, allowing them to escape the flames but have their flesh viewed by men as they had not been able to get to their burkhas before escaping the inferno that raged where they slept. The inequality of women, their use as nothing more than a sex tool or slave labour, and the fact that it is considered NORMAL for a woman to be nothing more than a sex object is deeply ingrained in the islamic hadith and political system. The fact that Pakistan has a singularly offensive and insulting degree of assembly and integration of that belief into its culture is, i agree, disturbing to the point that if the country had any oil or was of interest to the Jews, America would have invaded it or supplied the tools for the jews to do that for them long, long ago. But it is not the only islamic country to have those attitudes, nor are every one of their followers of the prophet of that view. It is, once again, a particular sect indeed sub sect within ‘the cult of mohammedanism’ as Winston Churchill referred to them which is to blame. And i say that as the father of a daughter raped by one of the bastards, and i say it because two of the adherents to a quite different sect within the faith put themselves and their cousin in the other half of that original country at some not insignificant personal risk of harm and serious expense and inconvenience to track down the particular bastard and bring me evidence that he now rotted in hell thanks to the AIDS that riddled him at the time of that rape. The problem as with our own home brewed sects within Christianity is we tolerate the one that dehumanises the X chromosome. On the subject of chromosomes, it’s a damn shame the jewish funded studies that completed the research into tbe human genome didn’t reveal what they had hoped to reveal Because if they’d found a genetic marker to that particular cult, well, tgat’s a Covid Spike protein i’d enjoy manufacturing. |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 9, 2023 8:43:55 GMT
"The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said. The report, which covers England, Scotland and Wales and summarises a range of studies on the issue of group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE), also known as grooming gangs, said there was not enough evidence to conclude that child sexual abuse gangs were disproportionately made up of Asian offenders." www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-reportThat said inaction by the authorities is entirely believable coming from a government that may as well have decriminalised rape. It's not just a government problem, I think it's a societal issue too. I wish I had an answer. |
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 9, 2023 9:15:56 GMT
Now this is disgraceful.
I wonder if the terminally offended over things like the new threshold for the spouse visa scheme, and immigrants and their human rights who cross the Channel daily are disgraced by this.
Like the authorities did, it's easier to blame the victims than get accused of racism.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 9, 2023 9:36:24 GMT
""The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said."
The Guardian omits a link for its source, as it habitually does when it wants to put its own spin on a story.
In fact what the official paper says is '"Research has found that group-based child sexual exploitation offenders are most commonly white.' By research it means two other papers published in 2012 and 2015. The official paper itself draws no such conclusion.
A pdf version of the official paper can be found by googling "Group-based Child Sexual Exploitation: Characteristics of Offending". Commentators should review it before making further provocative statements like the one above.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 9, 2023 9:42:48 GMT
Well, at least we're all agreed that it's a disgusting foreign cultural issue that has no place in civilised society.
It's a start.
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Post by see2 on Dec 9, 2023 9:44:37 GMT
Fury at police inaction as damning report reveals failures.Leading campaigners, lawyers, survivors and whistleblowers have slammed the police response to child exploitation gangs after a new report has found widespread failures by forces across the country. The influential voices have called for urgent action after the police watchdog listed a litany of failures, including persistent victim blaming, poor data collection and a lack of specialist officers. Over 40% of the 2,000 survivors on the Maggie Oliver Foundation database have been arrested or threatened with arrest after reporting rape or sexual violence, this clearly demonstrates that all too often police are still focusing on victims and not perpetrators. www.gbnews.com/news/grooming-gang-scandal-police-inaction-damning-report-failuresThought grooming gangs had gone away? Not a chance. Just because lefties insist it's racist to mention grooming gangs doesn't mean it's gone away. It's the story that just keeps on giving. __"The review by His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services (HMICFRS) found that just nine of the 27 investigations it assessed were “good.” Fourteen were found “requiring improvement” and four were deemed “inadequate.”
Responding to the report, the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) lead for Child Protection Ian Critchley said “there is still more to be done”, but outlined that the forces that had invested in specialist teams delivered an “enhanced quality of investigation.”__So it's not the case that nothing is being done, or that there is no improvement. Righties often ignore the positives preferring to denigrate and insinuate in their pathetic desire to attack "lefties". For more dishonesty, vote right-wing. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 9, 2023 9:45:18 GMT
" The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said. The report, which covers England, Scotland and Wales and summarises a range of studies on the issue of group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE), also known as grooming gangs, said there was not enough evidence to conclude that child sexual abuse gangs were disproportionately made up of Asian offenders." www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-reportThat said inaction by the authorities is entirely believable coming from a government that may as well have decriminalised rape. It's not just a government problem, I think it's a societal issue too. I wish I had an answer. What "official paper" is this? I've never seen one. Moreover I've never even read about a case of "CSE gangs of white men" perpetrating this type of crime. Obviously there are white paedophiles and abusers who commit sex crimes but they're usually lone operators. These people know what they're doing is wrong. The point about the "Asian gangs" as you call them - although that's a slur on the many Asians who are not muslims who do NOT carry out these crimes - is that they are quite open about what they do, for the simple reason that they don't regard it as wrong. These people openly cruise around the streets picking up girls whom they abuse on an industrial scale. In Rotherham, for example, at least 1200 girls were abused by several hundred men ("overwhelmingly Pakistani") - and the muslim population of Rotherham is about 10,000. If whites were abusing on anything like this scale there'd be cases all over the media every day. The Guardian article is crap. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2023 9:53:34 GMT
A cultural problem or a race problem ? Let me explain - If I were to mention stoning people to death, most people would say "its an Islamic punishment", and that would be untrue. Stoning people to death is a form of death penalty originating in the middle east, and which was practiced by Muslims, Christians, Jews and Zoroastranians. Most of the child grooming gangs in this country in recent years have one thing in common, AND IT IS NOT THAT THEY ARE MOSTLY COMMITTED BY MUSLIMS. It is that most of the incidents are committed by men of Pakistani origin, and yes it is true that 99% of Pakistani people are Muslim, but the point is that these incidents have not been committed by people of Iranian, Turkish, Iraqi or Afghnan origin, or by European Muslims who are either resident, or citizens of the UK. There is a cultural problem, whereby far too many Pakistani men believe that women or girls are here for their pleasure, to do with them as they so please, and that it is a females duty to obey men. So we all know what the problem is, the next question is what do we do about it ? Ignorant nonsense as usual. The common factor is that the people committing these crimes are overwhelmingly muslim. Most are Pakistanis because most muslims in the country are paks. But those offenders who aren't paks are from other muslim countries like Bangla and Afghanistan. It's a crime perpetrated by muslims against non-muslim girls. Get the facts right. And the reason for it is entirely obvious - read the Koran. Also read about the life of mohammed. He was a paedophile who had Christian concubines and married a 6 year old. Also look at what muslim children are taught at the madrassa - they're taught that kuffar women are prostitutes and infidels are worthless. Look at the transcripts from the trials of the scum who perpetrate these offences - it's a common theme that the defendants say that the girls are worthless scum. They don't attack muslim gitls because that's haram. The point is that the muslim gangs who attack these girls do NOT regard it as a crime - and nor do our police apparently. That's why it's so common all over the country. There is a reason for islamophobia, Sid. It's because the muslims - almost uniquely among religions now - regard those who aren't muslim as scum. That's why they cause trouble almost everywhere they go. A totally incorrect and false post - almost all the crimes against women and girls committed by grooming gangs are by men of Pakistani origin. The very relevant factor which makes this statement here wrong >> " The common factor is that the people committing these crimes are overwhelmingly muslim", is that British citizens or residents of Turkish, Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, Albanian or Sudanese origin are not committing these crimes. Looking at the evidence, of which there is plenty, it would be both unreasonable, and unfair to suggest that the common denominator is that these offenders are Muslim, well of course they are Muslim, because 99% of Pakistanis are Muslim. It would be like saying that car crime is almost always done by Christians, because most young black and white youths are from Christian backgrounds, but religion has got nothing to do with it. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 9, 2023 10:07:21 GMT
Ignorant nonsense as usual. The common factor is that the people committing these crimes are overwhelmingly muslim. Most are Pakistanis because most muslims in the country are paks. But those offenders who aren't paks are from other muslim countries like Bangla and Afghanistan. It's a crime perpetrated by muslims against non-muslim girls. Get the facts right. And the reason for it is entirely obvious - read the Koran. Also read about the life of mohammed. He was a paedophile who had Christian concubines and married a 6 year old. Also look at what muslim children are taught at the madrassa - they're taught that kuffar women are prostitutes and infidels are worthless. Look at the transcripts from the trials of the scum who perpetrate these offences - it's a common theme that the defendants say that the girls are worthless scum. They don't attack muslim gitls because that's haram. The point is that the muslim gangs who attack these girls do NOT regard it as a crime - and nor do our police apparently. That's why it's so common all over the country. There is a reason for islamophobia, Sid. It's because the muslims - almost uniquely among religions now - regard those who aren't muslim as scum. That's why they cause trouble almost everywhere they go. A totally incorrect and false post - almost all the crimes against women and girls committed by grooming gangs are by men of Pakistani origin. The very relevant factor which makes this statement here wrong >> " The common factor is that the people committing these crimes are overwhelmingly muslim", is that British citizens or residents of Turkish, Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, Albanian or Sudanese origin are not committing these crimes. Looking at the evidence, of which there is plenty, it would be both unreasonable, and unfair to suggest that the common denominator is that these offenders are Muslim, well of course they are Muslim, because 99% of Pakistanis are Muslim. It would be like saying that car crime is almost always done by Christians, because most young black and white youths are from Christian backgrounds, but religion has got nothing to do with it. I agree, fiddler. But it's still a disgusting foreign cultural issue that has no place in civilised society. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 9, 2023 10:17:29 GMT
I don't want to delve too deeply into this, because the subject has been done to death, but before we condemn the police and other authorities too harshly it's worth considering the victims:
They largely came from broken homes, care homes and criminal backgrounds. Runaways, waifs & strays, drug addicts. The very people, in other words, who were least likely to speak to the police, the least likely to cooperate with prosecutions and the least likely to be believed/make credible witnesses if they did.
Which is exactly why they were targeted in the first place.
These days we'd call them “Vulnerable” but I'm not sure that the system would be any more sympathetic to such people now.
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 9, 2023 10:23:54 GMT
" The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said. The report, which covers England, Scotland and Wales and summarises a range of studies on the issue of group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE), also known as grooming gangs, said there was not enough evidence to conclude that child sexual abuse gangs were disproportionately made up of Asian offenders." www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-reportThat said inaction by the authorities is entirely believable coming from a government that may as well have decriminalised rape. It's not just a government problem, I think it's a societal issue too. I wish I had an answer. What "official paper" is this? I've never seen one. Moreover I've never even read about a case of "CSE gangs of white men" perpetrating this type of crime. Obviously there are white paedophiles and abusers who commit sex crimes but they're usually lone operators. These people know what they're doing is wrong. The point about the "Asian gangs" as you call them - although that's a slur on the many Asians who are not muslims who do NOT carry out these crimes - is that they are quite open about what they do, for the simple reason that they don't regard it as wrong. These people openly cruise around the streets picking up girls whom they abuse on an industrial scale. In Rotherham, for example, at least 1200 girls were abused by several hundred men ("overwhelmingly Pakistani") - and the muslim population of Rotherham is about 10,000. If whites were abusing on anything like this scale there'd be cases all over the media every day. The Guardian article is crap. Perhaps you've never read about white grooming gangs because you weren't looking for them: www.itv.com/news/central/2023-04-05/twenty-one-people-guilty-of-child-sexual-abuse-in-police-forces-biggest-caseI never called them "asian gangs". Can you fault the evidence in the report? |
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