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Post by Vinny on Dec 12, 2022 10:47:34 GMT
Says the man who doesn't know what martensite is, what annealing is, what a bending moment is, what buckling is and thinks a covert team rigged WTC7 (which wasn't even a target) for reasons that defy logic, all to have a war in Afghanistan which they could have had anyway.
Prior terrorist attacks against the USS Cole, US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the 2000 Millennium plot, the Bojinka plot and the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center already gave the US government all the justification it needed to go after Bin Laden.
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Post by ProVox on Dec 12, 2022 11:36:49 GMT
Says the man who doesn't know what martensite is, what annealing is, what a bending moment is, what buckling is and thinks a covert team rigged WTC7 (which wasn't even a target) for reasons that defy logic, all to have a war in Afghanistan which they could have had anyway. Prior terrorist attacks against the USS Cole, US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the 2000 Millennium plot, the Bojinka plot and the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center already gave the US government all the justification it needed to go after Bin Laden. More ' whataboutery' and your self opinionated theories. I was a Chartered Engineer ...... a member of an engineering institute ! What experience and authority in engineering disciplines do you claim? Anyone can read all these terms today ..... as you demonstrate ...... the WWW has made everyone an expert. The difference between you and me is that I have had to apply them to real life situations. Most of the ones you quote are irrelevant to WTC7 ...... but the most significant laws of Physics you miss out are Newtons Three Laws of motion and the Laws governing combustion and flame technology. You don't even know the difference between 'HEAT' and 'TEMPERATURE' or the significance! Have you worked out how a Vortex works yet and how it fits the picture you say shows a raging fire with no visible flames but could ' anneal' steel  but not shatter the window glass ....... your opinions are all just based on your misconceptions and lack of knowledge? |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 12, 2022 11:54:24 GMT
I am a qualified civil engineer. I am also a trained metallurgist. There's alsorts of engineering, but you know about as much about structures as a sound engineer. A column under compressive load that is buckling, is under tension on the convex side. As it buckles further, tension increases until it breaks. A civil engineer understands this. You however, did not. What sort of "chartered engineer" does not understand bending moments, buckling ? What sort of chartered engineer is befuddled by the scientific fact, that steel in fire does two things, 1, it expands, two softens and becomes weaker. These were crucial and critical problems that day. This: ![]() This is martensite it is the crystalline microstructure of steel which gives it strength.  Annealing does this to it:  How come you did not know this ? |
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Post by ProVox on Dec 12, 2022 16:44:15 GMT
I am a qualified civil engineer. I am also a trained metallurgist. There's alsorts of engineering, but you know about as much about structures as a sound engineer. How come you did not know this ? If you are what you say then you are a very poor example of your profession! As a 'qualified Civil engineer and metallurgist' you would have been well aware that the conditions you describe ALL require that certain conditions need to be met and sustained over a period of time before the state you describe is reached. A fundamental error for someone claiming to be an 'expert' ! But as an instrumentation and control systems engineer I would KNOW that, as HOW the conditions were attained that are required .......... would have been my first question! Your excuse fails all conditions! What sort of "civil/structural engineer" does not understand ........ that TEMPERATURE does not soften steel ...... HEAT DOES? The heat source in WTC7 was office furnishings, distributed over 47 floors, each the size of a football pitch? furniture is a very poor source of heat energy and are. by regulation, fire resisting. What sort of "civil/structural engineer" does not understand ........ that all the columns were covered in sprayed on fire insulation giving several hours protection? What sort of "civil/structural engineer" does not understand ........ believes the failure of a single floor beam joint could cause the total straight down collapse of a 47 story steel framed structure ...... partly at freefall acceleration? What sort of "civil/structural engineer" does not understand ........ Newton's Laws of motion and how to apply them? What sort of "civil/structural engineer" does not understand ........ that fires, to attain the temperatures the NIST theory requires, need a lot of air (oxygen) to burn even ideal combustible material at the optimum temperatures they require? All the windows were shut and to the south the broken windows were all engulfed in powdered concrete ..... not exactly the ideal conditions for a good fire ..... are they? What sort of "civil/structural engineer" claims ....... a building to be engulfed in flame on all floors ..... when, except in one corner and only on 2 lower floors, ....... there were no flames visible at all? What sort of "civil/structural engineer" does not understand ........ the difference between dust from powdered light concrete ( white) and smoke from smoldering office furniture ( black)? and finally ....... What sort of "civil/structural engineer" does not understand ........ what a vortex is, what it does and how to recognise it? I think you are claiming expertise you don't have!  |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 12, 2022 17:41:55 GMT
Four airliners full of jet fuel were hijacked and 3 of them deliberately crashed into buildings at high speed. The fourth the terrorists crashed early because the passengers fought back. Phone calls were made from them, air traffic was in communication with them up until the hijackers stormed the cockpits. The laws of physics are as much a mystery to you as the hijackings and crashes themselves. Sprayfoam and drywall are not designed to withstand plane crashes, fireproofing was obliterated in the first nanosecond of the crashes. The crashes destroyed exterior columns, core columns, and resulted in higher structural loadings on the buildings. Office fires are capable of generating air temperatures of over 1000 degrees C.  Time temperature relationship of a standard office fire. Steelwork fire resistance is thus:  www.steelconstruction.info/Fire_and_steel_constructionThen, fire weakened the remaining structure, which fell.
Force = mass x acceleration.
You DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS BASIC FACT.
Moving loads are amplified.
It magnifies the force applied to a column.
Bending moments.
Breaking moments.
You do not understand these scientific laws.
You are no engineer. Your arguments have more holes in them than Elaine Davidson's face (world's most pierced woman, Guinness Book of Records holder). And you're still prattling on about WTC7 a structurally damaged building, hit by WTC1, heavily damaged, heavy fire, smoke gushing out of every floor on the south face. No water pressure in the mains to fight it, a wait to get fireboats John D McKean, John J Harvey and Fire Fighter pumping. Firefighters predicted its collapse because of the heavy fires inside and the lack of structural integrity in the building. It collapsed live on TV, there were no demolition charges. This is what a real controlled demolition with cutting charges looks and sounds like: And what do you have ? Nothing but whatabouttery and lies.  12/10/2000 USS Cole bombed off the coast of Aden. Al Qaeda responsible. Justification for a war on terror ? Yes.  7/8/1998 US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania bombed by Al Qaeda. Justification for a war on terror ? Yes.  9/11 Conspiracy Theories are a cash con. It is quite literally leeching from the gullible. It also radicalises dimwits and creates the possibility of a terrorist attack or assassination attempt against people wrongly percieved to be part of a conspiracy. |
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Post by ProVox on Dec 12, 2022 18:05:21 GMT
Four airliners full of jet fuel were hijacked and 3 of them deliberately crashed into buildings at high speed. The fourth the terrorists crashed early because the passengers fought back. Phone calls were made from them, air traffic was in communication with them up until the hijackers stormed the cockpits. The laws of physics are as much a mystery to you as the hijackings and crashes themselves. Sprayfoam is not designed to withstand plane crashes, it was obliterated in a nanosecond. The crashes destroyed exterior columns, core columns, and resulted in higher structural loadings on the buildings. Then, fire weakened the remaining structure, which fell.
Force = mass x acceleration.
You DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS BASIC FACT.
Moving loads are amplified.
It magnifies the force applied to a column.
Bending moments.
Breaking moments.
You do not understand these scientific laws.
You are no engineer. Your arguments have more holes in them than Elaine Davidson's face (world's most pierced woman, Guinness Book of Records holder). What does WTC7 collapsing have to do with crashing aero-planes, jet fuel, telephone calla from aircraft, or any of the diversions away from the subject ...... that YOU cannot explain to fit your dumb theories? The whole post is obfuscation. You are full of **** and have diverted the content because you cannot answer my claims that shows you are a boastful fraud, all mouth and trousers and you are certainly NOT an engineer of any discipline or any caliber, that I have ever worked with! |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 12, 2022 18:09:04 GMT
Without Flight 11 having crashed into WTC1, WTC1 wouldn't have hit WTC7 in its collapse.
Think about it.
And buy Basic Engineering Technology by Roger Timings.
You are clueless.
You pontificate about something you have NO understanding of.
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Post by ProVox on Dec 12, 2022 18:33:31 GMT
Without Flight 11 having crashed into WTC1, WTC1 wouldn't have hit WTC7 in its collapse. Think about it. And buy Basic Engineering Technology by Roger Timings. You are clueless. You pontificate about something you have NO understanding of. I am sorry if that breaks the rules but this guy is a conceited pain-in-the-ass and believes he is free to insult anyone he likes without consequences. FYI: WTC1 did not have any effect that threatened the integrity of WTC7. Even the NIST report admitted that. You are just trying to cover your lies! |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 12, 2022 20:07:06 GMT
The laws of physics do not lie, career conspiracy theorists do and you've bought their lies. WTC1 tore a massive gash down the south side, there were holes in floors, columns hanging down, a lift was out of its shaft.     ![]() The building was fully involved in fire. All that smoke came out of it. Steve Spak filmed it. In the raw footage you can see flames coming out of the building, smoke was gushing out of every floor of the south face, you can hear the firefighters discussing it, it's easy to see why Daniel Nigro ordered them to pull back. There was nobody in it, more men would have died if they'd tried to save it. They didn't have the water pressure to save it. This vortex spreading nonsense you come out with, is just a Richard Gage hoax. The smoke was coming OUT of the building, and there's no smoke without fire. Richard Rotanz investigated it, I gave you his contact details. Here they are again: www.rotanzandassociates.com/contactHe went inside tower seven after it got hit by WTC1, there were holes in floors girders hanging down and FIRE. The building was creaking. He didn't stay long as he valued his life. I gave you Daniel Nigro's contact details and a guy from Virginia Beach Fire Department who lead firefighting ops at the Pentagon. He is now retired, but the office of the Fire Commissioner have his contact details and can forward your queries to him, if you are polite and after the truth rather than abusive and after furthering your conspiracy theories. www.nyc.gov/site/fdny/about/overview/leadership/email-the-commissioner.pageDaniel Nigro was there, you weren't, he lost friends that day. There absolutely was no conspiracy regarding WTC7. ALL FIREFIGHTING ORDERS regarding WTC7 were HIS and his ALONE. Virginia Beach Task Force 2 are still contactable, they responded to the Pentagon fought fires inside it and saw wreckage from Flight 77 including passenger seats and engine parts. www.vatf2.com/contact-us/And you didn't contact any of them, coward. 9/11 was the work of 19 mostly Saudi Arabian terrorists funded by the now dead multi millionaire Osama Bin Laden. Structural damage and fire brought those buildings down, not some elaborate conspiracy by the US government or Jews. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 12, 2022 22:06:24 GMT
Vinny you're wasting your time with ProVox and forgetting one of the internet's essential wisdoms:  ![]() |
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Post by ProVox on Dec 13, 2022 15:22:09 GMT
Vinny you're wasting your time with ProVox and forgetting one of the internet's essential wisdoms: ![]() From my side of the line, the Turkeys ( idiots) are on your side of the fence! You only have to look at Vinny's last post to see how he posts ' evidence' he doesn't even understand ....... which explains exactly the reverse of his fantasy views born of ignorance. But then you are the same so you wouldn't notice. |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 13, 2022 15:56:37 GMT
Vinny you're wasting your time with ProVox and forgetting one of the internet's essential wisdoms: ![]() Maybe, but no danger of him winning anyone over with the facts in sight. |
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but not shatter the window glass ....... your opinions are all just based on your misconceptions and lack of knowledge? 
