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Post by Orac on Nov 22, 2022 12:57:14 GMT
Another example is the current situation with FTX. By some not entirely explained mechanism, a group of bizarre intellectual sub-normals end up in a position to commit one of the largest financial frauds in history and, rather than prosecute them under the already extant laws against such theft, the state is likely to insist that legislation is needed and 'their people' are given yet more control and over-reaching powers over the rest of us. Well, that's how it seems to me.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Nov 25, 2022 8:29:39 GMT
Yes, we debated 9/11 years ago, I destroyed your arguments then and I'm doing so again now. You were decieved by the lies of the likes of the con artists Alex Jones and Richard Gage, I posted facts and disproved their lies. You have been conned. Richard Gage, Steven Jones, James Fetzer and so forth, they're not "real researchers" they're career con artists who sell lies for money and make a fortune. They're extremely rich men who have the means to initiate legal precedings. They haven't because they know they have no evidence and the funds would dry up. You are mistaken. I wasn’t on the 9/11 thread on the other Forum … and didn’t read it, didn’t have time … and had already talked about it elsewhere with others… I had only limited comment with you on 9/11 elsewhere on a handful of threads … my research wasn’t the sources you referenced … I only skimmed Alex Jones … the video series of Nufff Respect that once lodged happily on Youtube was one of the better sources others pillaged …he had a rough time after 2006 when Google bought the platform and attacked to defund him … it’s what greedy zionists do to everyone outside their Clan… independent videos of individual posters on Youtube were also targetted … but we glimpsed enough briefly to convince many it was definitely an Inside Job …. from so many angles. Naturally, those in Authority and those in Deep State and MSM connected to the Plot … would soon shut down all those angles and tried to shut down many poster’s evidence, even threaten witnesses into silence, engineer mysterious deaths. That’s the state of the WEST these days … they turned it into Stasi state after 9/11. … but they still have war-mongers like you and the Soros Posse to deliver their fascism on a plate. Authority and the Zionist Posse behind the manipulation found it easy to REPEATEDLY CENSOR the most damning bits on Youtube … all that’s left is your heavily edited garbage … They even used OS software ‘down 👎grades’ to stop people copying and easily passing on videos and photos showing what really happened. . They covered every angle of CENSORSHIP … They had to … they were fighting for their lives. … if Bush’s Deep State failed… they would have been executed by electrocution … for sure. Let’s hope it still happens … and soon. These traitors deserve it … and so do you for supporting their criminality. Witnesses and recordists who were in the thick of the action … survivors recording explosions … were disgusted to be threatened by ‘spooks’ … and attacked by stooges like you, working for the Bloomberg Lobby - anti-Free Speechers - who pop up repeatedly like a new Covid variant … and try and re-interpret the history of what happened … for your own financial gain. Shyster lawyers happy to rig the TRUTH … equally as dodgy as any people your type puts in the dock. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 25, 2022 8:37:08 GMT
Planes exploded.
There were industrial sized uninterruptible power supply banks in those buildings, in fire affected floors. Batteries exploded. High voltage transformers exploded.
WTC7 was built astride an electrical substation. There were diesel generators in it too as well as diesel tanks.
But there were no demolition charges going off. Raw footage of the collapses prove my point.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Nov 25, 2022 9:49:13 GMT
Stop wiggling, bullshitting and squirming, Vinny … Firemen and witnesses know full well how these other facilities explode, fizzle and burn … and what is resonant enough to trigger seismic stations nearby to record tremors. … They also know when their bosses tell them to stop giving interviews about the pots of weird chemical residues that unusually burnt for days afterwards … thermite residues … hastily scooped up and disposed of … not made available for ‘sensitive’ analysis … no Open comprehensive Enquiry … a sham Enquiry. Loads of REAL experts complained of the cover-up … Architects for 9/11 Truth probably put themselves out of business because of their INTEGRITY. You are working for real scum, Vinny … I certainly don’t know how you look in the mirror each morning … try a bit of self-loathing … it might make a man of you. … and for Gawd’s Sake …. stop propping up the CIA Agenda.  |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 25, 2022 10:43:04 GMT
Wrong. Now watch this:- Raw footage of the FDNY outside WTC7, listen to them discuss the state of the building. AE9/11'truth' is another cash con btw. Richard Gage is the recipient of most of its budget, he pays himself a fortune, charges rent to the organisation for the use of his house (which he owns outright), his "investigations" are a sham. In 2007 he was involved in the "Truthburn" project, to go to the Burning Man festival and destroy a sign with "thermite cutting charges" only they didn't build a sign anywhere near as big as they claimed they would, scammed supporters and burned a little plant pot worth of thermite at the foot of it. This is what they advertised it as: www1.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/238-911-truthburn-at-burning-man.html The reality ?  They scammed people. They spent the weekend ogling naked women, didn't destroy their sign because their claims are false and the tech they pretended exists doesn't work. It was still standing in 2009 and was ultimately cut up with oxy acetylene cutting torches just like actual World Trade Centre debris. This is a photo of it from 2009, proof that their claims are false.  9/11 'truth' is a cash con, designed to get gullible oiks to part with their dough. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Nov 28, 2022 10:42:54 GMT
WTC7 was torn from top to bottom on its south face.
You don't know anything about explosives. I do.
A controlled demolition that uses explosives can be heard for miles.
WTC7 collapsed live on camera during this interview, listen to it.
Hours before the collapse the FDNY had predicted it would collapse because it was leaning and they could not fight the fires inside.
There's no smoke without fire and that whole building was belching out smoke, it was an inferno.Dubdrifter, the people whose theories you promote, are con merchants who lie for money. I’m promoting nobody … and making no money … like many of the witnesses who posted their videos on Youtube and had them butchered and censored by the same tribal factions that perpetrated/facilitated this terrorist atrocity … a False Flag Operation. We are just witnesses and interpreters of evidence. We just let you and your False Flag Posse trawl the BS Theory and claims your ilk posts. People here have eyes, ears, common sense and a modicum of knowledge about architectural steel construction, strengths, tolerances, safety margins, quality of U.S. construction and Regulation … They can take one quick look at the video you posted here and not see anything to justify the BS claims you are making. … and they know science today can make explosives that are very effective … and are not heard for miles.
Safe-crackers use similar … and rarely get caught. …..So much for your 💩BS-claimed knowledge on ‘demolition’ … 🙄🤪 Pics from the other side show this building was 90% undamaged and untouched … and even when comprehensively smoke-damaged … there was no way this building of this construction quality in America would collapse … especially at freefall speed without resistance on the 3 undamaged sides we see from your post. … which show no fire, no smoke and no INFERNO. Even if the building had completely melted to the ground on the damaged side … it still wouldn’t collapse like this with 3 sides intact. Your architects trying to ‘justify the Authority’s claims …. are looking at future Deep State/Gov/Israeli intigated World contracts with the financiers and contractors with tribal links to this Conspiracy. …. hardly independent … £££$$€€¥¥¥billions …. motivated their reasoning. Prostitution in a nutshell … they say what the ‘client’ wants to hear … as you do too, Vinny. YOU ARE A TROLL JOKE POSTER, VINNY … and become more ridiculous every time you pop up on here. Are you REALLY the best-of-the-best the CIA in Langley are peddling and sponsoring on the Internet right now?? … un f…. believable! … Literally!🤣👏 … |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 28, 2022 16:11:51 GMT
Wrong. Hundreds of firefighters watched tower seven burn, unable to fight the fires inside because of structural damage, the building was LEANING. "You see where the white smoke is? You see this thing leaning like this ? It's definitely coming down, there's no way to stop it, because you have to go up in there to put it out and already the structural integrity is not there in the building, it's tough, it's it's, this is beyond" Firefighter Miller, predicting the collapse of Tower 7 before it fell. Daniel Nigro, Fire Chief FDNY: "The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we wouldn't lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was given, at 5:30 in the afternoon, 7 World Trade Center collapsed completely. " static01.nyt.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110154.PDFPage 10 of interview. Other firefighter testimonies from that day: archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.htmlYour conspiracy theories about 9/11 are a hoax. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Nov 30, 2022 4:20:16 GMT
Let people judge for themselves what is a hoax.
This Conspiracy needed the complicity of the Fire Chiefs to exaccerbate the horror of 9/11 … by sealing emergency escape doors and stop survivors of the impacts getting onto the roofs of both WTC towers struck … thus preventing many from being airlifted by helicopters to safety.
Forcing many to jump to their deaths rather than be burned alive. …. How many fire chiefs were prosecuted for failure to give the Public even an emergency roof escape option on skyscrapers that might be ripped by fire!??
Don’t talk to me about ‘fire chief integrity’ … like Grenfell Towers … they knowingly sacrificed the Public ;… and knowingly made decisions that sent those serving under them to their deaths … and then silenced those staff blowing the whistle on explosions and those doubting the integrity of these steel-framed buildings and Leadership decisions.
They also signed off on all the ‘renovation’ work Larry Silverstein had done to ‘prep’ all these buildings to be “pulled” … his own words at interview tripped him up completely when he said they “had to pull WTC 7 because it was so badly damaged”
…. which TOTALLY contradicts most of what you are saying. … and PROVES the Conspiracy was REAL … and not a Hoax …
… nobody can prep a smoking building on fire to be pulled exactly like a ‘controlled FREEFALL demolition’ in ~10 hours. … It takes weeks to cut away and weaken an integrated steel-framed building to collapse neatly like your video shows.
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Post by ProVox on Nov 30, 2022 10:10:57 GMT
It was me that Vinny had his sights on over WTC7. I went through months of his silly claims about WTC7, much of which he repeats here ......but when he starts questioning the Laws of Physics (Newton) you know what he is. Basically a trumpet for the 'official story'. He has constantly claimed WTC7 was ablaze on all floors and a raging inferno! When asked why these flames were not visible he said the smoke had 'sooted-up' the windows so the flames could not be seen. Like the official story we had a new phenomena that nobody could explain ...... flames hot enough to soften structural steel ..... but not hot enough to shatter glass!  Why on his video do we not see all this smoke plume as he building collapsed. He misses that too! That there is a difference between 'dust' clouds and 'smoke' misses him and he denied completely the vortex effect that was causing the swirls of dust from WTC1(?) at the corners on WTC7 and dumping the dust through the broken windows and putting out the fires. According to Vinny, all scientist, architects and engineers are idiots and liars ..... but firemen are the fount of all knowledge .... except where their story does not suit his narrative, Then he ignores them. He has never changed ..... as you can see on the Ukraine threads. When his claims are questioned ...... you are a Putin lover. Apart from constant repetition of his lies, long after they have been shredded, he still plugs the same paranoid propaganda ...... completely rejecting all other opinions. Dialogue is a constant up hill struggle, he is not amenable to considering other opinions that conflict with his own. |
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Post by ProVox on Nov 30, 2022 10:21:12 GMT
Planes exploded. There were industrial sized uninterruptible power supply banks in those buildings, in fire affected floors. Batteries exploded. High voltage transformers exploded. WTC7 was built astride an electrical substation. There were diesel generators in it too as well as diesel tanks. But there were no demolition charges going off. Raw footage of the collapses prove my point. CUTTING charges do not explode ..... they 'fizz' at extremely high temperatures. There would be no bang. ( NOTE: High Explosive, denotes a high flame speed and thus pressure wave. So no bang ..... no noise!) They pumped ALL the diesel out of the tanks some days later. Another red-herring? According to he official story just one joint, at a single beam/column junction failed .... through expansion and the building collapsed! If you believe that ..... you will believe anything! |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 30, 2022 10:25:12 GMT
Let people judge for themselves what is a hoax. This Conspiracy needed the complicity of the Fire Chiefs to exaccerbate the horror of 9/11 … by sealing emergency escape doors and stop survivors of the impacts getting onto the roofs of both WTC towers struck … thus preventing many from being airlifted by helicopters to safety. Forcing many to jump to their deaths rather than be burned alive. …. How many fire chiefs were prosecuted for failure to give the Public even an emergency roof escape option on skyscrapers that might be ripped by fire!?? Don’t talk to me about ‘fire chief integrity’ … like Grenfell Towers … they knowingly sacrificed the Public ;… and knowingly made decisions that sent those serving under them to their deaths … and then silenced those staff blowing the whistle on explosions and those doubting the integrity of these steel-framed buildings and Leadership decisions. They also signed off on all the ‘renovation’ work Larry Silverstein had done to ‘prep’ all these buildings to be “pulled” … his own words at interview tripped him up completely when he said they “had to pull WTC 7 because it was so badly damaged” …. which TOTALLY contradicts most of what you are saying. … and PROVES the Conspiracy was REAL … and not a Hoax … … nobody can prep a smoking building on fire to be pulled exactly like a ‘controlled FREEFALL demolition’ in ~10 hours. … It takes weeks to cut away and weaken an integrated steel-framed building to collapse neatly like your video shows. What a load of bollocks, firstly Fire Chief Peter J Ganci died when the North Tower collapsed. The roofs of the twin towers were accessible but on Tower 1 there was a great big television transmitter, no helipad. All stairwells above the impact zone were cut by Flight 11. On Stairwell B, a few floors from the base of the tower, 16 people survived including Josephine Harris. Tower two, a great deal of smoke and turbulence. There were no "freefall" demolitions, the twin towers collapsed top down. The tops of the towers fell onto the floors below which resisted. Debris falling away fell faster than the main collapses. The water mains were damaged. The Greek Orthodox Church of St Nicholas collapsed. Tower 3 collapsed. Tower 4 severely damaged. Tower 5 severely damaged. Tower 6 suffered an internal collapse. The seventh tower, damaged and on fire with a gash on the south face from top to bottom where debris from the North Tower hit it, had holes in floors, columns hanging down and heavy fire. The East Penthouse collapsed, floors inside collapsed and then the remainder collapsed. Live on tv and with sound, no demolition charges went off and there were no blasting caps or detcord fragments in the debris of any tower. Cutting charges go boom, they do not fizz. |
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Post by ProVox on Nov 30, 2022 11:22:03 GMT
Let people judge for themselves what is a hoax. What a load of bollocks, firstly Fire Chief Peter J Ganci died when the North Tower collapsed. The roofs of the twin towers were accessible but on Tower 1 there was a great big television transmitter, no helipad. All stairwells above the impact zone were cut by Flight 11. On Stairwell B, a few floors from the base of the tower, 16 people survived including Josephine Harris. Tower two, a great deal of smoke and turbulence. There were no "freefall" demolitions, the twin towers collapsed top down. The tops of the towers fell onto the floors below which resisted. Debris falling away fell faster than the main collapses. The water mains were damaged. The Greek Orthodox Church of St Nicholas collapsed. Tower 3 collapsed. Tower 4 severely damaged. Tower 5 severely damaged. Tower 6 suffered an internal collapse. The seventh tower, damaged and on fire with a gash on the south face from top to bottom where debris from the North Tower hit it, had holes in floors, columns hanging down and heavy fire. The East Penthouse collapsed, floors inside collapsed and then the remainder collapsed. Live on tv and with sound, no demolition charges went off and there were no blasting caps or detcord fragments in the debris of any tower. Cutting charges go boom, they do not fizz. Shows how poor you are with your choices of video! THOSE are explosive charges ...... not cutting charges! The reason ..... all the building are brick structures ..... not steel framed as with WTC7. They need to be blasted not melted! Steel framed and concrete structures are weakened first by weeks of cutting to weaken them. Then concrete can be blasted and collapse Steel can be blasted but they can also be CUT using Thermite. I don't know how it was done on WTC7 but one thing for sure is that the 'official' line you keep pumping is NOT feasible. It defies the laws of physics and is a totally impossible scenario. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 30, 2022 11:53:28 GMT
Explosive charges are cutting charges, they work with a blastwave, instantly. There was no thermite. Thermite is an iron aluminium oxide incendiary used in fire bombs and welding. And because it burns, it cannot be mounted to vertical columns and produce diagonal cuts.  Only cutting torches can do that, and what's this ?   Cutting torches being used on something conspiracy theorists claim thermite was used to cut. It's pretty definitive, that's the column, that's the cut, and those are the workers who cut it. The buildings had thousands of staff, the offices that were hit were heavily staffed, there was no way to get so much as one sack in, never mind tearing out walls in front of bemused workers to get access to perimeter or core columns. The whole reason the terrorists chose to hijack airliners and crash them, was that the targets (Twin Towers, Pentagon, and White House) were too secure to conventionally bomb. Thermite cannot do this. That's why these plonkers couldn't cut their sign down with it at Burning Man Festival 2007. It was also far smaller than they claimed it would be, they squandered their funding, on themselves. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Dec 1, 2022 6:12:30 GMT
The buildings had thousands of staff, the offices that were hit were heavily staffed, there was no way to get so much as one sack in, never mind tearing out walls in front of bemused workers to get access to perimeter or core columns.
The whole reason the terrorists chose to hijack airliners and crash them, was that the targets (Twin Towers, Pentagon, and White House) were too secure to conventionally bomb. Tenants in the WTC buildings contradict this ‘FALSE STATEMENT’ made by VINNY here …describing ‘renovation work’ that kicked up a gear after Larry Silverstein took over the WTC Complex. (Clip duration ~ 9 mins) youtu.be/sQ3b0nTDeqsFor those undecided and doubtful 9/11 was a ‘Conspiracy’ … check this: (~ 9 min of footage that will completely flip your mindset)This short clip completely trashes everything VINNY has tried to bluff here … on the WTC 7 collapse: youtu.be/r_JQp4AITUwListen to those that survived … who describe co-ordinated lobby and basement explosions at the same time the planes hit. youtu.be/Zm6JwSfLUuY(Clip Duration ~ 10 mins) …. note this also briefly describes the arrest on Washington Bridge … of a truck bomb driven by MOSSAD AGENTS … one was arrested … one escaped police custody. This vehicle was heading into Manhattan early that morning … WTC Basement explosions that day and on another occasion show the Complex wasn’t too secure to be conventionally bombed. Another VINNY classic BS falsehood. The FBI released this MOSSAD truck bomber a few months after … while the MSM ignored and covered up the ‘Conspiracy’ and the mounting CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of Israel’s involvement. Well there is enough in these 3 short videos to convince any intelligent neutral that this was an ‘Inside Job’. …. and if you want further detail … check out Nufff Respect’s Channel videos … Alex Jones got a ‘career’ and quite rich surfing the talent of this researcher … and worked hard trying to create ‘conspiracy’ on his own … which as the Courts determined … didn’t always stand up to scrutiny. |
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Post by ProVox on Dec 1, 2022 6:53:47 GMT
The buildings had thousands of staff, the offices that were hit were heavily staffed, there was no way to get so much as one sack in, never mind tearing out walls in front of bemused workers to get access to perimeter or core columns.
The whole reason the terrorists chose to hijack airliners and crash them, was that the targets (Twin Towers, Pentagon, and White House) were too secure to conventionally bomb. Tenants in the WTC buildings contradict this ‘FALSE STATEMENT’ made by VINNY here …describing ‘renovation work’ that kicked up a gear after Larry Silverstein took over the WTC Complex. (Clip duration ~ 9 mins) youtu.be/sQ3b0nTDeqsFor those undecided and doubtful 9/11 was a ‘Conspiracy’ … check this: (~ 9 min of footage that will completely flip your mindset)This short clip completely trashes everything VINNY has tried to bluff here … on the WTC 7 collapse: youtu.be/r_JQp4AITUwListen to those that survived … who describe co-ordinated lobby and basement explosions at the same time the planes hit. youtu.be/Zm6JwSfLUuY(Clip Duration ~ 10 mins) …. note this also briefly describes the arrest on Washington Bridge … of a truck bomb driven by MOSSAD AGENTS … one was arrested … one escaped police custody. This vehicle was heading into Manhattan early that morning … WTC Basement explosions that day and on another occasion show the Complex wasn’t too secure to be conventionally bombed. Another VINNY classic BS falsehood. The FBI released this MOSSAD truck bomber a few months after … while the MSM ignored and covered up the ‘Conspiracy’ and the mounting CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of Israel’s involvement. Well there is enough in these 3 short videos to convince any intelligent neutral that this was an ‘Inside Job’. …. and if you want further detail … check out Nufff Respect’s Channel videos … Alex Jones got a ‘career’ and quite rich surfing the talent of this researcher … and worked hard trying to create ‘conspiracy’ on his own … which as the Courts determined … didn’t always stand up to scrutiny. He will never believe it! With Vinny there is only one explanation .......... HIS, and only firefighters can be trusted! But he will come up with some lame excuse that can't be taken seriously When the second tower collapsed there were two fixed cameras that recorded the collapse at slightly different angles but both focused on the same area of the building, the top 15-20 floors. One camera was at near ground level and one higher up on a different building. About 10 secs before the building collapsed BOTH cameras shook (ground wave) and at exactly the same time. At the same time there was a massive increase in the smoke pouring from the building .......... then it collapsed. Identical shocks, at the same time filmed from two different locations ....... what else could it have been other than an explosion. I can't prove it was but the greater probability going on the evidence says it was a controlled explosion ........  |
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