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Post by Vinny on Dec 1, 2022 10:08:58 GMT
You said yourselves thermite does not explode and yet you both seem to think thermite was used and caused explosions (it wasn't and didn't)... Your arguments are born of ignorance. Larry Silverstein, the leaseholder did not own the site had no authority over the FDNY. The man in charge of fire fighting operations at ground zero after the death of Fire Chief Ganci was Fire Chief Daniel Nigro a man who had just lost hundreds of his brother firemen including his friend Peter J Ganci Jr en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_J._Ganci_Jr. He had to take charge and make a decision regarding WTC7, which was heavily damaged, burning, had a bulge between floors 10 and 13 on the Southwest corner, and looked like it would collapse. The water mains had been knocked out and the FDNY did not have adequate water supplies to fight the fires in the building. So they pulled the firefighting operation. This is Nigro's testimony: static01.nyt.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110154.PDFThis is Frank Felini's testimony: static01.nyt.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110217.PDF"The major concern at that time at that particular location was number Seven, building number seven, which had taken a big hit from the north tower. When it fell, it ripped steel out from between the third and sixth floors across the facade on Vesey Street. We were concerned that the fires on several floors and the missing steel would result in the building collapsing. So for the next five or six hours we kept firefighters from working anywhere near that building, which included the whole north side of the World Trade Center complex. Eventually around 5:00 or a little after, building number seven came down." You do not understand the laws of physics. There were no demolition charges. There was no magic thermite. It was terrorism. WTC7 was collateral damage, as was WTC3 which also collapsed. |
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Post by Handyman on Dec 1, 2022 10:54:31 GMT
Vinny I really enjoyed your posts and incredible research to find all the information, my two Bob's worth.
What the Conspiracy Theorists appear to have overlooked or ignored is the incredible difficult investigation that followed the attacks, they identified where the Terrorists had taken flying lessons, boarded the planes their journey right across Europe who they were associated with and been helped by, if I recall some were dealt with for assisting terrorists.
All the different Law Enforcment Agencies Secret Servies across the world that were part of it, what the Conspiracy Theorists who claim it was not attack by Islamic Terrorists don't appear to understand is that if it was an inside job which it was not and never will be in a hundred years it would have taken thousands of people to be part of such a big lie to make it happen
Not only in the States but Europe and Asia and keep quiet about their part in it for ever.
Thanks
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Post by Vinny on Dec 1, 2022 11:44:01 GMT
What is often forgotten is that in 1999 an All Nippon Airways Boeing 747 was hijacked, by a psycho with a knife.
Name, Yuji Nishizawa.
He murdered the Captain in the cockpit.
The first officer was forced out at knife point.
Passengers stormed the cockpit and overpowered him.
Cockpit doors were not secured afterwards.
USA did not stop allowing weapons onboard airliners.
There are people at the FAA and the NTSB who could have prevented the 9/11 hijackings.
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Post by ProVox on Dec 1, 2022 14:06:24 GMT
Vinny I really enjoyed your posts and incredible research to find all the information, my two Bob's worth. What the Conspiracy Theorists appear to have overlooked or ignored is the incredible difficult investigation that followed the attacks, they identified where the Terrorists had taken flying lessons, boarded the planes their journey right across Europe who they were associated with and been helped by, if I recall some were dealt with for assisting terrorists. All the different Law Enforcment Agencies Secret Servies across the world that were part of it, what the Conspiracy Theorists who claim it was not attack by Islamic Terrorists don't appear to understand is that if it was an inside job which it was not and never will be in a hundred years it would have taken thousands of people to be part of such a big lie to make it happen Not only in the States but Europe and Asia and keep quiet about their part in it for ever. Thanks Try looking again and using the Universal Laws of Physics as the basis of any investigation........ they don't lie ..... fire fighters do and will promote their own importance for their five minutes of fame. What happened to WTC7 defies ALL the Laws of physics. Solving the destruction of WTC7 will not solve what happened with the Twin Towers, but it will show that the full story is being concealed. |
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Post by ProVox on Dec 1, 2022 14:17:09 GMT
You said yourselves thermite does not explode and yet you both seem to think thermite was used and caused explosions (it wasn't and didn't)... Your arguments are born of ignorance. Larry Silverstein, the leaseholder did not own the site had no authority over the FDNY. The man in charge of fire fighting operations at ground zero after the death of Fire Chief Ganci was Fire Chief Daniel Nigro a man who had just lost hundreds of his brother firemen including his friend Peter J Ganci Jr en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_J._Ganci_Jr. He had to take charge and make a decision regarding WTC7, which was heavily damaged, burning, had a bulge between floors 10 and 13 on the Southwest corner, and looked like it would collapse. The water mains had been knocked out and the FDNY did not have adequate water supplies to fight the fires in the building. So they pulled the firefighting operation. This is Nigro's testimony: static01.nyt.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110154.PDFThis is Frank Felini's testimony: static01.nyt.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110217.PDF"The major concern at that time at that particular location was number Seven, building number seven, which had taken a big hit from the north tower. When it fell, it ripped steel out from between the third and sixth floors across the facade on Vesey Street. We were concerned that the fires on several floors and the missing steel would result in the building collapsing. So for the next five or six hours we kept firefighters from working anywhere near that building, which included the whole north side of the World Trade Center complex. Eventually around 5:00 or a little after, building number seven came down." You do not understand the laws of physics. There were no demolition charges. There was no magic thermite. It was terrorism. WTC7 was collateral damage, as was WTC3 which also collapsed. What did I tell ya? Out comes all the bullshit but he can't tackle the laws of physics and present a plausible explanation ..... because he is ignorant of them and how they determine what was and what wasn't physically possible with WTC7. He would rather believe a fireman who thinks he is a structural engineering expert but doesn't know, just like Vinny, the difference between smoke and dust! I've been through it with him all before! He lives in ignorance but arrogantly believes he is the fount of all knowledge. Discussion is a complete waste of time. |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 1, 2022 14:32:11 GMT
What are you talking about ? Laws of physics, you don't know the first thing about them!! Structurally damaged buildings on fire, steel annealing, weakening etc. You lost the argument before. You've no evidence now only emotions. You were shown that WTC7 was on fire, smoke was coming out of the building.    Office fire time temperature relationship from standard office fire tests, using standard office furnishings:  Strength temperature graph:  Eyewitness accounts and the laws of physics disprove your point. There were no cutting charges. There was structural damage and fire. And you're eerily silent about the other damage that happened that day. Why so quiet about the Pentagon and the 136 eyewitnesses there ? Why so quiet about WTC3 ? Why so quiet about the Greek Orthodox Church of St Nicholas which also collapsed, was that brought down with cutting charges? No. And you're quiet about the hijackers. The phone calls from the planes made with Verizon Airfones. Betty Ong and Amy Sweeny aboard Flight 11 contacted Nydia Gonzalez at the incident desk at American Airlines. They identified the hijackers by their seat numbers. .......................... Btw, did you know that Richard Gage has A&E 9/11'truth' rent his house as an office, his house that was already paid for, pay him a salary and he does fuck all work. He lives the Life of Riley and knows full well it was terrorism, whilst conning the likes of you into funding "research" that leads nowhere further than the next 'fundraiser'. You gave money to frauds and hate being reminded of that. Even the so called UAF study, turned out to be a load of bollocks using linear models that have no collision detection in them, to produce a skewed and bogus result. Cash con, all of it. |
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Post by Handyman on Dec 1, 2022 16:12:25 GMT
What is often forgotten is that in 1999 an All Nippon Airways Boeing 747 was hijacked, by a psycho with a knife. Name, Yuji Nishizawa. He murdered the Captain in the cockpit. The first officer was forced out at knife point. Passengers stormed the cockpit and overpowered him. Cockpit doors were not secured afterwards. USA did not stop allowing weapons onboard airliners. There are people at the FAA and the NTSB who could have prevented the 9/11 hijackings. I had forgotten about that one, yes, the Hijacks of 9/11 should and could have been prevented |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Dec 3, 2022 7:31:39 GMT
Vinny I really enjoyed your posts and incredible research to find all the information, my two Bob's worth. What the Conspiracy Theorists appear to have overlooked or ignored is the incredible difficult investigation that followed the attacks, they identified where the Terrorists had taken flying lessons, boarded the planes their journey right across Europe who they were associated with and been helped by, if I recall some were dealt with for assisting terrorists.
All the different Law Enforcment Agencies Secret Servies across the world that were part of it, what the Conspiracy Theorists who claim it was not attack by Islamic Terrorists don't appear to understand is that if it was an inside job which it was not and never will be in a hundred years it would have taken thousands of people to be part of such a big lie to make it happen
Not only in the States but Europe and Asia and keep quiet about their part in it for ever. Thanks Conspiracy Factists didn’t ignore the Islamic terrorist cells at all … but we did recognise the ease in which they could be manipulated … and how easily the World’s Media could be ‘programmed’ SO READILY to ignore Bin Laden’s associations with the CIA. Check this out, Handyman and others … before you are completely taken in by the CIA/World Deep State narratives on 9/11 … and their stooges … like Vinny. youtu.be/neR1NRElk6sIt’s all in here … a succinct 8 minute education. 🤔 |
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Post by ProVox on Dec 4, 2022 8:55:09 GMT
Vinny I really enjoyed your posts and incredible research to find all the information, my two Bob's worth. What the Conspiracy Theorists appear to have overlooked or ignored is the incredible difficult investigation that followed the attacks, they identified where the Terrorists had taken flying lessons, boarded the planes their journey right across Europe who they were associated with and been helped by, if I recall some were dealt with for assisting terrorists.
All the different Law Enforcment Agencies Secret Servies across the world that were part of it, what the Conspiracy Theorists who claim it was not attack by Islamic Terrorists don't appear to understand is that if it was an inside job which it was not and never will be in a hundred years it would have taken thousands of people to be part of such a big lie to make it happen
Not only in the States but Europe and Asia and keep quiet about their part in it for ever. Thanks Conspiracy Factists didn’t ignore the Islamic terrorist cells at all … but we did recognise the ease in which they could be manipulated … and how easily the World’s Media could be ‘programmed’ SO READILY to ignore Bin Laden’s associations with the CIA. Check this out, Handyman and others … before you are completely taken in by the CIA/World Deep State narratives on 9/11 … and their stooges … like Vinny. youtu.be/neR1NRElk6sIt’s all in here … a succinct 8 minute education. 🤔 When I saw WTC1 & 2 collapse on TV I was surprised it looked so much like a controlled demolition but assumed that for a building of that height some sort of ‘ built in’ demolition system would be a sensible measure. I didn’t give it much thought after that ...... until I stumbled across an article about a building called WTC7 which also collapsed on the same day but was not hit by anything ..... let alone an aeroplane. I then realised that an ‘ official’ storyline was being constructed of the events surrounding WTC7 that very clearly did not make sense. It was a cover up and a propaganda exercise for the masses! If WTC7’s collapse was not possible as we were officially led to believe, then WTC1 & 2 were also suspect. That turned out to be true. In taking the ‘ factist’ route and using science and the laws of physics to try and work out what the evidence says happened, the deeper I got into it the further away from the ‘ official explanation’ I got. There was more saying it could not have happened as the official story related events than there was supporting it, very often it defied the Universal Laws of Physics. Then of course you then come up against the ‘ True Believers' of the official explanation, everyone of whom is convinced they are right ..... but can never support their views with any facts. Although WTC7 was explained in detail on the other forum and based on science it never sank in with the ‘ True Believers’! No matter how many facts they have explained to them, the ‘ True Believers’ are unable to analyse them ............ nor will they ............ ever! But the same division exists on other threads related to Ukraine, Skripal’s, Balkan’s, Syria ...... any event where there is an ‘ official’ explanation that inevitably contradicts the facts and it is always the same people that are the ‘ true believers’! They need no explanation ...... just the conclusion. It appears that their brains are wired differently to the brains of those that can analyse and draw their own conclusion, and often collectively draw the same conclusions. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Dec 4, 2022 12:04:34 GMT
When is comes to sifting the 💩 from the credible … the 9/11 False Flag operation had it all. … some of the stupidest CT clearly came out of Langley itself! …. they love to throw in decoy duck ridicule to distract inquiry into secret operations done at tax-payers expense.
If we are paying for it … we have a right to accountability … and to hire and fire these lying crooks!
… eg: The heaped loads of steaming BS around the UFO/ALIEN saga in order to dupe the Public to laugh at invasion of our airspace since WW2 onwards….. the Public are digging out the shocking truth on that now … and calling out Deep State over those LIES.
Attacks on Public and property, mutilations, abductions and murder… not brought to account or before the Law.
(… but the censorship continues … as I can personally vouch with Vinny and Deep State Fox jointly pulling the old Forum full of prime discussion, and Links to great historic UFO/Alien cases that proved beyond doubt Science collectively was deliberately covering up the existence of visiting (incredibly advanced!) civilisations to Earth)
Good researchers dug out enough data to prove beyond doubt … to open-minded analysts … that Western Deep State and Israel were behind this 9/11 ATROCITY … manipulating patsy terrorists … who did their flight training right in the heart of CIA/FBI-controlled America …surrounded by top secret service facilities and military airbases.
No wonder the Media were supplied a ‘deffo’ list of most of the protagonists on Day 2 of their Enquiries. … As Vinny informs us … it’s likely every phone in America and the World is tapped these days. The terrorist’s presence and their disinterest in learning how to land the planes … can’t have gone unnoticed by their ‘instructors’ at the time.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 4, 2022 23:35:20 GMT
You two are gullible enough to fall for the shit people like Alex Jones come out with and part with cash repeatedly, for a cause that leads nowhere.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Dec 5, 2022 13:29:13 GMT
My cash has never gone to the likes of Alex Jones … but just positively hemorrhages into the pockets of the criminals you support, Vinny … since you bullied the Sanctions FRAUD.
and got energy companies and supermarkets to mug me in broad daylight!
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Post by ProVox on Dec 5, 2022 16:28:11 GMT
My cash has never gone to the likes of Alex Jones … but just positively hemorrhages into the pockets of the criminals you support, Vinny … since you bullied the Sanctions FRAUD. and got energy companies and supermarkets to mug me in broad daylight! Vinny likes giving money to 'good causes' obviously ...... I just don't think he knows what these good causes are. As Sword pointed out of the $90bn given to Kyiv by the US taxpayers, 20bn of it is not accounted for! An interviews I watched said that Zelenskey is reputed to be worth $8bn! I wonder how much he and his Oligarch pals have given to the Ukraine people whos lives they have ruined? Zelenskey alone is known to own at least four multimillion dollar homes in various countries and has interests in several international corporations. But he still keeps begging for the Western World taxpayers to give him more. It is a family business now he has even got his wife out begging and also spewing the propaganda for the gullible wester media interviewers ( Beth Rigby - SKY) ..... and the masses they serve. You keep giving Vinny ..... Vlodomyr is very pleased with you ...... but give more. |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 5, 2022 19:00:36 GMT
What's that got to do with Alex Jones making $1bn plus out of gullible saps who buy into unsubstantiated 9/11 conspiracy theory bollocks put out by him, Richard Gage getting filthy rich ? James Fetzer, Stephen E Jones et al getting filthy rich from lying ?
More whatabouterry ProVox? Haven't you got any competent arguments ?
No, you've got a doctored gif of WTC7 (post penthouse collapse) and a "that looks like a controlled demolition" meme, which without additional info, to the untrained eye, would look like one.
But when additional information such as the Penthouse collapse are reintroduced, video footage with audio, it clearly wasn't.
There were no bangs and flashes and controlled demolitions are not carried out with thermite.
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Post by ProVox on Dec 6, 2022 6:19:26 GMT
What's that got to do with Alex Jones making $1bn plus out of gullible saps who buy into unsubstantiated 9/11 conspiracy theory bollocks put out by him, Richard Gage getting filthy rich ? James Fetzer, Stephen E Jones et al getting filthy rich from lying ? More whatabouterry ProVox? Haven't you got any competent arguments ? No, you've got a doctored gif of WTC7 (post penthouse collapse) and a "that looks like a controlled demolition" meme, which without additional info, to the untrained eye, would look like one. But when additional information such as the Penthouse collapse are reintroduced, video footage with audio, it clearly wasn't. There were no bangs and flashes and controlled demolitions are not carried out with thermite. So .... a bit off the theme of the thread but ........... Explain this collapse again to me, using your ' trained eye' and how it was possible this Penthouse was part of the global and simultaneous collapse of WTC7. ( Start another thread if you wish but stick to FACTS you can prove.) |
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