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Post by Orac on Nov 15, 2022 18:56:55 GMT
Trump didn't do himself any favours in that respect. Whether, in your view, he did himself 'any favours' or not by conforming to your political positions, is beside the point. I feel you need to separate your Trump Derangement Syndrome from the issue at hand - ie (say) CNN's/ MSNBC's conduct. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 15, 2022 20:33:07 GMT
So according to Mags, CNN and MSNBC have regularly been posting lies but so far we haven't seen - Any link to any such supposed lie
- Any evidence such statement is wrong
- In fact anything of substance to back the allegation
Seems Mags was lying about supposed lies |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Nov 16, 2022 10:01:08 GMT
Vinny .. enough of your explanations peddled out by your ‘experts’… with an eye on future lucrative architectural and other contracts with the perpetrators of 9/11.
… hardly an objective POV … that will put these criminals behind bars … is it?
With regards structural collapses of buildings designed to flex and withstand aircraft strikes and even multiple floor raging fires … without collapsing … burning for days in other instances of more intense fire WITHOUT COLLAPSING.
STEEL FRAMED OR CORED BUILDINGS don’t collapse like that … except in exceptional circumstances of neglect, corruption or sabotage.
These buildings were exceptionally WELL-CONSTRUCTED to VERY HIGH SPECS with EXCEPTIONAL SAFETY MARGINS built into their design .
They were made with treated flexi steel secured with finest quality nuts and bolts that … if they hadn’t been tampered with in ‘fake maintenance programmes’ orchestrated by the Zionist Silverstein shortly after he bought the Complex and insured it especially for a terrorist air strike … in a period just before these 3 unique buildings collapsed from just such an event … on the same day within a few hours.
9/11 Coincidences … watch the videos. … The conclusions drawn are a no brainer, Vinny … sorry … wiggle and squirm all you like over this … and your stack of edited and heavily censored selection of Youtube videos.
Youtube used to be independent and once had INTEGRITY … It lost both when the platform was bought by the same Zionists related to Silverstein with links to Bloomberg controlling the MSM in America … linked again to those that do Google Censorship these days.
They paid well over the market value at the time … just to try and snuff out the v. convincing, well-researched narratives that proved 9/11 was an Inside Job … and in some sinister cases … snuff out the ‘witnesses’ to that Deep State Agenda.
See the problem when The Public can’t secure access to the TRUTH?? … people have to create Bitchute and other alternatives … yet when they do … nazi-types pop up and either pull down the ‘sharing platform’ … or HEAVILY CENSOR any platform left standing.
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Post by Steve on Nov 16, 2022 10:09:44 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Nov 16, 2022 10:46:23 GMT
Steel is a metal with a crystalline structure inside it called martensite which gives it rigidity, when it gets hot the martensite breaks up. Most floors in the twin towers were office floors full of carpets, desks, chairs, plastics, paper and other highly flammable materials. Fully fueled airliners smashed into those offices starting heavy fires on multiple floors at the same time whilst causing immense structural damage to the load bearing cores of the buildings and perimeter columns. The steel strength temperature relationship is thus:  Before the top of WTC2 fell, the structure around the impact had been observed bowing inwardly and getting worse. Just before collapse, this was observed:  That, is structural failure.  Not only did perimeter columns buckle but floors sagged, they were connected to outer columns and core columns, and as they sagged, horizontally they became shorter. That meant they were pulling on columns and increasing buckling. There had been aerial observation of the twin towers by Police helicopters, they have thermal imaging cameras for night pursuits. Temperatures in the affected floors hit 1000 degrees C. What would have been more surprising would have been the survival of that building, after such intense fire and buckling. Consider this: An arrow straight column has weight evenly distributed all the way through it all of which is evenly under compression. But in a buckled column only part of the column is under compression. The concave side is under compression, the convex side is under tension and at risk of tearing as compression of the column continues. It isn't designed to be stressed in that manner. AND, when one column fails, the weight which caused failure remains. Surrounding columns are placed under additional stresses. Ultimately the load fell. The floors below were designed to support a static load. Speed = distance / time. Distance 415 metres. But weight is amplified by acceleration: Force = Mass x Acceleration. Each of the twin towers weighed about 500,000 tonnes. 85 floors in WTC2 were at or below the point of impact. Number of floors above, 25. Structural failure means load is unsupportable. Each floor could support 1300t above its own weight (source: www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html ). Acceleration added to the mass and the forces the floors were subjected to were far in excess of that. They collapsed onto each other. There was resistance. Debris that fell away from the building fell faster than floors falling onto floors.  On the outside of the building, the force of floors hitting floors was causing debris to follow the path of least resistance. Had there been explosives involved there would have been overpressure and windows across a wide area not hit by debris, would have been shattered from a pressure wave including windows on the far side of WTC7. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 16, 2022 10:51:51 GMT
So according to Mags, CNN and MSNBC have regularly been posting lies but so far we haven't seen - Any link to any such supposed lie
- Any evidence such statement is wrong
- In fact anything of substance to back the allegation
Seems Mags was lying about supposed lies Sensibly speaking, you have two choices here. Either show that Donald Trump is/was some kind of 'Russian stooge', or accept that CNN and MSNBC engaged in several years of persistent malicious lying which bares a striking similarity to Alex Jones's Sandy Hook nonsense |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 16, 2022 11:04:36 GMT
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Post by Orac on Nov 16, 2022 11:25:59 GMT
Russian stooge ? Looks like one, talks like one, stinks like one. This is just fixed, inflexible thinking on your part. Donald Trump described the tactics (Russia calling the forces 'peacekeepers' etc) as genius. He did not remotely endorse the actions. Evil people can't also engage in clever tactics? My view is that Russia calling the forces peacekeepers and talking about policing actions (or whatever), rather than invasion, was clever because it mirrored US rhetoric regarding its actions and so passively raised those US actions as comparison. Clever |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 16, 2022 12:18:47 GMT
I don't like Trump or Biden but Trump went out of his way to stooge for Putin.
Trump was voted out and started lying to try and stay in office.
The man is scum.
So is Alex Jones.
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Post by Steve on Nov 16, 2022 17:13:24 GMT
So according to Mags, CNN and MSNBC have regularly been posting lies but so far we haven't seen - Any link to any such supposed lie
- Any evidence such statement is wrong
- In fact anything of substance to back the allegation
Seems Mags was lying about supposed lies Sensibly speaking, you have two choices here. Either show that Donald Trump is/was some kind of 'Russian stooge', or accept that CNN and MSNBC engaged in several years of persistent malicious lying which bares a striking similarity to Alex Jones's Sandy Hook nonsense Delusionary ^ First you have to show with links that CNN or MSNBC made any such assertions as opposed to correctly reporting what was being said by others as their assertions. Not holding my breath waiting for you to back your bile with any substance but maybe you could surprise us all. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 16, 2022 18:10:37 GMT
Not holding my breath waiting for you to back your bile with any substance but maybe you could surprise us all. CNN & MSNBC used the same method of lying that Alex Jones used - facts were selected and excluded to present a narrative (conclusion), with little support in reality, as certain. This is the bread and butter of all false conspiracy theories. There is a way of jumping over a few hurdles here - if you were to ask (say) Rachel Maddow in (say) 2019 if whether her intention was to convince / persuade people watching her show that Donald Trump was in conscious connivance with Russia, her answer would have been clearly 'yes'. The form of lying is not direct, but it is still lying. It doesn't matter whether Alex Jones was genuinely of the opinion that Sandy Hook was mere theater, the lack of due prudence and diligence makes the presentation of this view as a certainty, a form of lying by omission. The omission being all the reasons a reasonably diligent person could be reasonably expected to have collected to doubt the conclusion presented. Alex Jones, as a bare chested, frequently raging water filter salesman, probably has a better defense against this accusation than Rachel Maddow, a supposedly responsible member of the media class. Alex could perhaps argue that although he was not properly diligent, he made his comments with the reasonable expectation that few would take him very seriously. Maddow could feasibly have no such defence. She lied with the intention of fooling large numbers of people into reaching a conclusion that was badly supported. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 16, 2022 19:51:07 GMT
No link no credibility
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 17, 2022 2:27:46 GMT
Not holding my breath waiting for you to back your bile with any substance but maybe you could surprise us all. CNN & MSNBC used the same method of lying that Alex Jones used - facts were selected and excluded to present a narrative (conclusion), with little support in reality, as certain. This is the bread and butter of all false conspiracy theories. There is a way of jumping over a few hurdles here - if you were to ask (say) Rachel Maddow in (say) 2019 if whether her intention was to convince / persuade people watching her show that Donald Trump was in conscious connivance with Russia, her answer would have been clearly 'yes'. The form of lying is not direct, but it is still lying. It doesn't matter whether Alex Jones was genuinely of the opinion that Sandy Hook was mere theater, the lack of due prudence and diligence makes the presentation of this view as a certainty, a form of lying by omission. The omission being all the reasons a reasonably diligent person could be reasonably expected to have collected to doubt the conclusion presented. Alex Jones, as a bare chested, frequently raging water filter salesman, probably has a better defense against this accusation than Rachel Maddow, a supposedly responsible member of the media class. Alex could perhaps argue that although he was not properly diligent, he made his comments with the reasonable expectation that few would take him very seriously. Maddow could feasibly have no such defence. She lied with the intention of fooling large numbers of people into reaching a conclusion that was badly supported. I viewed him in the sense he was like someone talking in a pub. They always have a story for you but it is mostly for entertainment and is expected to carry some artistic licence to it. It's the land where the cops always do so and so, and it is always unfair and the teller was never at fault in the slightest and swears by it. You can imagine that in a British pub, but imagine it in a Texas bar! |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Nov 17, 2022 7:25:08 GMT
Vinny … the pools of thermite slag burnt for days … fire crews commented how unusual it was … all debris was shipped away to stop independent investigators.
Even debris from the “pulled” WTC7 owner Larry Silverstein mentioned. … that debris didn’t have any body fragments in it … and could have been openly analysed and demolition product sifted from the debris.
Those paid to cover-up an Inside Job continually blocked a proper enquiry and OPEN investigation … and trashed damning evidence …
Is that the other reason you trashed our Forum, Vinny … an Archive of comprehensive arguments and data proving 9/11 was an Inside Job? …. You are good at trashing other people’s arguments … then suddenly popping up on a new fresh platform with a cleverly worked series of pieces the CIA’s “Architects for 9/11 Cover-Up” took a good 19 years to engineer??. Lol.🤣🤔
BTW, Stress weakening of steel melted to the temperatures necessary to weaken structures … doesn’t happen in conditions of largely smoke damage … the fuel largely evaporated in a fireball explosion and created minimal oxy-acetylene temperatures necessary to cut and fracture the steel frame cores to these buildings. …. but the thermite charges can do that … and it left it’s traces of fracture on the key girders that failed … no wonder they rushed away the debris as expert observers noticed the beams had been prepped.
Irrespective of the upper floor weight … these WTC buildings clearly had their internal central cores severely weakened prior to the impacts. Otherwise buckling would have just been the result on the stone cold lower floors. Demolition experts know about building construction and resistance to collapse … and they took one look at this … clapped their hands and said “controlled demolition”.
Like a jeweller who picks up a ‘fake watch’ they instantly knew this was ‘fake’ … and so is your ‘concocted bs’ Vinny.
My brother is an architect … and he won’t talk about this … many architects and demolition experts know who might pay them for future contracts … zionist bankers control everything … so they stay silent … destroy their INTEGRITY … and have now sold our Souls to the Devils that did 9/11 … and are still controlling chaos-generation around the World.
Truly EVIL people VINNY supports.
You are a sad individual, VINNY … now scuttle away and develop some INTEGRITY.
Pancaking of floors wouldn’t have happened if the controlled demolition charges hadn’t been triggered by operatives in WTC7
… they had to decide to ‘pull’ WTC 7 … because the slight damage sustained from falling debris wasn’t envisioned … and they realised the ‘control’ operation and wiring would be exposed by a future repair programme. Another controlled demolition was necessary to cover up the evidence.
The owner even admitted they did it …”pulled” WTC7 … yet VINNY argues otherwise…. and denies the explosions and removal of people’s testimony caught up in the lower floor explosions.
These LIARS never give up … that’s what makes them so dangerous to Humanity.
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Post by Steve on Nov 17, 2022 9:58:44 GMT
CNN & MSNBC used the same method of lying that Alex Jones used - facts were selected and excluded to present a narrative (conclusion), with little support in reality, as certain. This is the bread and butter of all false conspiracy theories. There is a way of jumping over a few hurdles here - if you were to ask (say) Rachel Maddow in (say) 2019 if whether her intention was to convince / persuade people watching her show that Donald Trump was in conscious connivance with Russia, her answer would have been clearly 'yes'. The form of lying is not direct, but it is still lying. It doesn't matter whether Alex Jones was genuinely of the opinion that Sandy Hook was mere theater, the lack of due prudence and diligence makes the presentation of this view as a certainty, a form of lying by omission. The omission being all the reasons a reasonably diligent person could be reasonably expected to have collected to doubt the conclusion presented. Alex Jones, as a bare chested, frequently raging water filter salesman, probably has a better defense against this accusation than Rachel Maddow, a supposedly responsible member of the media class. Alex could perhaps argue that although he was not properly diligent, he made his comments with the reasonable expectation that few would take him very seriously. Maddow could feasibly have no such defence. She lied with the intention of fooling large numbers of people into reaching a conclusion that was badly supported. I viewed him in the sense he was like someone talking in a pub. They always have a story for you but it is mostly for entertainment and is expected to carry some artistic licence to it. It's the land where the cops always do so and so, and it is always unfair and the teller was never at fault in the slightest and swears by it. You can imagine that in a British pub, but imagine it in a Texas bar! Alex Jones is a complete fraud. He's a pathological liar and one of the reasons he lies over and over is it creates publicity for his expensive snake oil products which have been repeatedly exposed as junk. This wasn't the first time he'd been litigated against for malicious lies against those he saw as not of the persuasion of his sponsors. Google James Alefantis, Chobani Yoghurt company or Brennan Gilmore. |
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