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Post by Vinny on Dec 6, 2022 9:28:16 GMT
The penthouse collapsed because column 79 which supported it, failed. Then the penthouse fell into the building, hitting the floors below, causing the structure to lose its final remnants of structural integrity including bracing. Without the horizontal bracing effects of the floors below, the building could not stand. Almost ten seconds after the collapse of the penthouse, the rest of the building collapsed. gharpedia.com/blog/differentiate-between-braced-and-unbraced-columns/Bracing prevents buckling and increases rigidity allowing far greater loads to be supported as a column is held uniformly in compression. Buckled columns are partly in tension, and get ever more in tension as the buckling increases until shearing takes place. Torsion can also take place when there is nothing to resist a twisting motion. As this video demonstrates (it shows the full collapse), it was not a controlled demolition. Also, you ignore the fact that the whole building was on fire. Greedy lying profiteers have made a fortune out of this and conned you. Also remember that there were civilians on the four hijacked planes as well as Verizon Airfones. Peter Hanson father of Christine Lee Hanson, phoned his father from Flight 175. The call cut the exact second that Flight 175 crashed. Peter had told his father the plane had been hijacked and that people had been stabbed. His last words were "oh my god, oh my god, oh my god". archive.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniversary/wire_stories/0911_hanson_first_person.htmThe conspiracy theorists who have conned you, they love to forget the four hijackings. There were 19 hijackers and hundreds of passengers. The pilots were murdered in their cockpits.
You also like to forget these facts as facts destroy your fake narrative.
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Post by ProVox on Dec 7, 2022 7:27:41 GMT
The penthouse collapsed because column 79 which supported it, failed. Then the penthouse fell into the building, hitting the floors below, causing the structure to lose its final remnants of structural integrity including bracing. Without the horizontal bracing effects of the floors below, the building could not stand. Almost ten seconds after the collapse of the penthouse, the rest of the building collapsed.
Try reading the NIST report ..... you have it slightly wrong. The column 79 joint apparently failed due to expansion of a floor beam on the 15th/16th floor level;( although there were no fires noted at that level) that floor collapsed onto the floors below; column 79 became unstable when it lost lateral support; the columns buckled and the floors above collapsed ..... when the supports below the penthouse collapsed, that toppled into the void. But that had no effect on the 21 core columns ..... they were self supporting! As the penthouse toppled, the structure to the west of it dipped and then momentarily recovered. This was because the floor beams to the west of the 79 column line collapsed and pulled it down ..... but the main structure of the 21 core columns was still load bearing and the roof sprang back. A few seconds later it also collapsed. What caused the intact core 21 column structure to maintain its structural integrity one moment and then collapse completely seconds later? It wasn't the Penthouse .... that and all those floors below had gone and those floors did not support those columns ..... they formed a box structure that was self supporting.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Dec 7, 2022 8:14:49 GMT
So were the U.S. construction companies sued for negligence and murder by NIST … over the work they did on the Twin Towers and WTC 7?
… surely a comprehensive enquiry with your findings can make such a case in litigious America today? … The relatives of the dead of the Twin Towers deserve compensation from the $$$$$$billions Larry Silverstein made from his insurance claims running buildings that according to Vinny’s evidence MUST have been poorly constructed and atrociously maintained! 🤔
…. ☠️💩☠️ Death traps in reality.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Dec 7, 2022 8:31:28 GMT
{ don’t mind if you have this tongue-firmly-in-cheek humorous leg-pull post below pulled by Admin … Vinny.) … but it does contain some valid advice that may save your life! ********************************* I’m sure Larry S. and his killer 😎 goons are going to be grateful to you, V … for costing them $$$$billions in massive compensation claims … based on your NIST ‘evidence’ posted above. … maybe wise you stay silent now … and try and drop off The Grid? … if you can? P.S. … don’t they chip you Agents these days under the skin? … in case you are kidnapped by Al Qaida terrorists, get taken to their underground torture chambers, and need to be extracted quickly? It’s always best to be found before some sick muslim bender pumps you for info in a novel way? … and kinkily uses a nail gun on your genitals, eh!? … Did they mention that possibility when the CIA groomed you in Junior High School?… come on .. you can tell us discretely … did they give you ‘candy’??😂 …. which sort were you into at that age? Blackpool rock, white powder or young er… sorry, I don’t know what your type is! 😂 …. (unless you used to hang with the Washington Democrats/Republicans FBI agent Ted Gunderson was investigating?!) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_GundersonAlso: www.veteranstoday.com/2017/11/10/the-strange-case-of-ted-gunderson-2/
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Post by Dubdrifter on Dec 7, 2022 8:41:51 GMT
As Sword pointed out of the $90bn given to Kyiv by the US taxpayers, 20bn of it is not accounted for! An interview I watched said that Zelenskey is reputed to be worth $8bn! I wonder how much he and his Oligarch pals have given to the Ukraine people whos lives they have ruined? Zelenskey alone is known to own at least four multimillion dollar homes in various countries and has interests in several international corporations. But he still keeps begging for the Western World taxpayers to give him more. It is a family business now he has even got his wife out begging and also spewing the propaganda for the gullible wester media interviewers ( Beth Rigby - SKY) ..... and the masses they serve. You keep giving Vinny ..... Vlodomyr is very pleased with you ...... but give more. I wish my “comedy skills” were equally recognised and remunerated … my last Sanctions-hiked gas/lekky bill was astronomical! 🙄😖
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Post by Vinny on Dec 7, 2022 10:48:46 GMT
No mention of Christine Lee Hanson's family aboard Flight 175. Just more bollocks about Tower 7 (which wasn't a target).
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Post by ProVox on Dec 11, 2022 6:57:28 GMT
Also, you ignore the fact that the whole building was on fire. Greedy lying profiteers have made a fortune out of this and conned you.
You also like to forget these facts as facts destroy your fake narrative.
You don’t have clue what you are looking at! I have explained it all to you before. Obviously you just prefer conspiracy theories to natural law and the laws of physics. You have been lied to and are let down even more by your own ignorance of natural law, engineering principals and physics! What you see in that video and others, is called vortex shedding and the ‘ smoke’ is not ‘ smoke’, it is the remains of 2 x 110 stories high buildings collapsing and the 100 to 150mm thick light concrete floors, now powdered, from the collapse of WTC1 & 2, with a small amount of smoke entrained and being swept up in the vortices at both the south corners of the building. Just like a big Dyson vacuum cleaner! This powder, which is btw fireproof and an excellent insulator, snuffed out any fires and any actual smoke is from furniture and fittings smoldering due to lack of oxygen. Most of your ‘ smoke’ is just dust! It covered everything and everyone that was caught in it right across Manhattan ! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_shedding or en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A1rm%C3%A1n_vortex_streetAccording to NIST there was no serious structural damage and this single ‘gash’ in the south face you keep referring to as ‘serious’ structural damage, was of no significance because The Atrium was NOT a part of the load bearing part of the structure. The whole 21 central core column structure was intact and undamaged. www.nist.gov/pao/questions-and-answers-about-nist-wtc-7-investigationNIST’s Shyum Sunders 14 second excuse “....... a wholly new phenomena, never seen before” ...... or since and that they have never been able to prove except by removing critical bits of steelwork from their WTC7 collapse model and even then they never got it work! www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK_iBYSqEsc ...... @38 secs The explanation given by a proper civil engineer, referencing the Hulsey report. A bit longer to watch ..... but giving the full story always takes time. Maybe a bit too technical for you though. www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZgZUtdkROUThere were no raging fires and those that were burning were isolated and of ‘ normal office fire’ level which the building was designed to withstand ! The only fires visible, and even they had almost burnt out, were on the East side at levels 9,11 and 12 as you show in some videos. But the flames are mostly outside the building and can be seen igniting when the hot inflammable gases reach fresh air, through the broken window. That is why there a very few internal fires ……. lack of oxygen. There are NO flames at all visible in that picture ……. or any other picture because there were no significant fires. Your previous explanation that this was because the windows were all ‘ sooted-up’ was laughable rubbish. If these invisible ‘ raging fires’ were hot enough to soften steel across the whole structure …….. they would shatter the windows. It is reported that 70% of US residents are still unaware of WTC7’s collapse. What you believe about WTC7, and the Twin Towers ……… now puts you in the minority!
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Post by Vinny on Dec 11, 2022 10:40:34 GMT
Once again you post pseudo scientific whatabouttery to ignore the four hijacked airliners and the terrorists aboard who murdered everyone on them.
Peter Hanson, father of Christine Lee Hanson phoned his father from the plane.
Betty Ong on Flight 11 phoned Nydia Gonzalez at the American Airlines incident desk from the plane.
Barbara Olson phoned her husband from Flight 77.
Todd Beamer phoned from flight 93.
You wilfully lie to promote a false narrative, a cash con.
Stop.
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Post by ProVox on Dec 11, 2022 11:43:58 GMT
Once again you post pseudo scientific whatabouttery to ignore the four hijacked airliners and the terrorists aboard who murdered everyone on them. Peter Hanson, father of Christine Lee Hanson phoned his father from the plane. Betty Ong on Flight 11 phoned Nydia Gonzalez at the American Airlines incident desk from the plane. Barbara Olson phoned her husband from Flight 77. Todd Beamer phoned from flight 93. You wilfully lie to promote a false narrative, a cash con. Stop. But WTC7 wasn't struck by any aircraft ...... and yet it fell in a very similar way to WTC1 and WTC2, on the same day! For the first and only time in history a 47 story steel framed building with a foot print the size of a US football field, collapsed in an ' emulation' of a controlled demolition ...... partly at free fall acceleration ....... into its own footprint ....... due to an ordinary office fire? You find nothing strange in that scenario? I keep telling you ..... I don't need to lie because I understand the Universal Laws of Physic, natural law and can actually apply them and I have an engineering background since my early 20's. In most cases I can sort the wheat from the chaff ..... you only ever consider the chaff.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 11, 2022 12:13:03 GMT
WTC7 wasn't a target, like WTC3 and the Greek Orthodox Church of St Nicholas, the underground World Trade Center railway station and the water mains, it was damaged by the collapse of the twin towers and collapsed.
Before it collapsed it caught fire.
Because of the damage to the water mains the fireboats John J Harvey, John D McKean and Fire Fighter were brought into position to pump water. By the time they were ready to pump, WTC7 was fully involved in fire and unsalvageable.
Daniel Nigro gave the order to pull back as there wasn't the water to fight the heavy fires inside, it was structurally damaged and leaning.
So never mind WTC7. Four airliners were hijacked by mostly Saudi Arabian terrorists who deliberately crashed them.
Civilians on the planes made phone calls and all you have are lies.
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Post by Steve on Dec 11, 2022 12:17:57 GMT
Vinny (and Handyman) I admire your perseverance using referenced facts to combat the forces of and But you'll never shut them up, seems they don't make the straps at the asylum chew proof any more
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Post by Vinny on Dec 11, 2022 18:08:13 GMT
He pretends to be some sort of engineer but doesn't consider force = mass x acceleration, thermal effects of annealing upon steel, bending moments, cannot explain buckling columns, doesn't consider compressive forces, tension or torsion.
Doesn't listen to firefighter testimonies.
Anyone who has such a flawed knowledge of the engineering physics basics would be extremely dangerous in that profession.
My knowledge of these simple basic facts, that gave me the means to challenge the lies of these fraudsters after one of my friends had got suckered and paid cash to these leeches and tried telling me a load of rubbish about it.
What the hoaxers have done is dangerous.
They've turned members of the public into radicalised lunatics. Extremely angry radicalised lunatics, some of whom may wish to kill those they believe to be part of a conspiracy.
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Post by Steve on Dec 12, 2022 0:12:19 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Dec 12, 2022 9:40:10 GMT
Cheers Steve.
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Post by ProVox on Dec 12, 2022 10:29:01 GMT
He pretends to be some sort of engineer but doesn't consider force = mass x acceleration, thermal effects of annealing upon steel, bending moments, cannot explain buckling columns, doesn't consider compressive forces, tension or torsion. Doesn't listen to firefighter testimonies. Anyone who has such a flawed knowledge of the engineering physics basics would be extremely dangerous in that profession. My knowledge of these simple basic facts, that gave me the means to challenge the lies of these fraudsters after one of my friends had got suckered and paid cash to these leeches and tried telling me a load of rubbish about it. What the hoaxers have done is dangerous. They've turned members of the public into radicalised lunatics. Extremely angry radicalised lunatics, some of whom may wish to kill those they believe to be part of a conspiracy. ......... you have no knowledge. YOU are the radicalised lunatic!
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