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Post by sandypine on Dec 3, 2023 11:31:31 GMT
Can I ask, we hear on the news, and from the left, so much about the 'Palestinian' people, who are they, how do you define them and is it just people living and born in Palestine which of course would include Israelis and it seems many born in Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt even the UK. If place of birth is the only identifier why are there so many Palestinians everywhere else? I don't go around telling deciding other people's national identity and I never said place of birth is the only identifier. I'm not English simply because I was born in England, I'm English because I was also raised in England, talk with an English accent and am culturally English. Apart from anything else, people trying to prise my national identity away from me just seems plain weird. So you don't know then? However one of the points made is that many people are trying to prise national/ethnic identity away from the English and obviously this is creating a fightback within which you are caught up. It is not fair on you but equally it is not fair on the English and in reality it is an English homeland. I reiterate I am Scots so I am viewing it from the outside |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 3, 2023 11:41:53 GMT
HH: "I'm not English simply because I was born in England, I'm English because I was also raised in England, talk with an English accent and am culturally English."
David Lammy makes much the same statements in support of his claim on an English identity. Do you support his claim? |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 3, 2023 11:45:20 GMT
HH: "I'm not English simply because I was born in England, I'm English because I was also raised in England, talk with an English accent and am culturally English."
David Lammy makes much the same statements in support of his claim on an English identity. Do you support his claim? Absolutely. |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 3, 2023 11:46:27 GMT
HH: "I'm not English simply because I was born in England, I'm English because I was also raised in England, talk with an English accent and am culturally English."
David Lammy makes much the same statements in support of his claim on an English identity. Do you support his claim? Now I've answered your question can you please answer mine. If you discovered tomorrow that you were adopted and your biological parents were German would your Englishness disappear in a puff of smoke? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 3, 2023 11:53:27 GMT
Since a shared ancestry is a pre-requisite for an ethnie, the answer is obvious. You didn't need to ask the question, which tends to indicate you don't understand what an ethnic group is and what characteristics it should have.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 3, 2023 11:55:26 GMT
Or in other words Sydney there are a lot of one eyed snakes about. Who don't know shit.
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 3, 2023 12:02:29 GMT
Since a shared ancestry is a pre-requisite for an ethnie, the answer is obvious. You didn't need to ask the question, which tends to indicate you don't understand what an ethnic group is and what characteristics it should have. So in other words yes, one piece of paper could eradicate your Englishness. No wonder you appear so insecure. |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 3, 2023 12:05:36 GMT
This thread actually takes me back to 6th form and the self proclaimed cool kids who expected the rest of us to be devastated that they had excluded us from their clique. We just laughed and moved on.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 3, 2023 12:18:14 GMT
You've spent so much time weeping and wailing at being excluded that you haven't got round to telling us whether or not you agree with the original proposition.
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 3, 2023 12:30:44 GMT
You've spent so much time weeping and wailing at being excluded that you haven't got round to telling us whether or not you agree with the original proposition. I'm not the one going around needlessly picking fights. Since the original premise is apparently dead set on dividing the English people I would reject it. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 3, 2023 13:00:24 GMT
This thread actually takes me back to 6th form and the self proclaimed cool kids who expected the rest of us to be devastated that they had excluded us from their clique. We just laughed and moved on. The fact that you didn’t care about being in the clique doesn’t refute the fact that you were excluded from the clique . If a an ethnic Pole and an ethnic white English person produced a child then that child would one step away from the ethnicity of its parents . I have no problem at all with my Jamaican friend not being ethnic English . I doubt that he has a problem either . I do have a problem with him being denied being English . Because he embraces being English more than Jamaican. |
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Post by Vanna on Dec 3, 2023 13:15:19 GMT
So, everyone who has adopted an English identity is English and everyone who has English ancestry is just a nasty racist intent on dividing those who don't. Makes sense!  |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 3, 2023 13:18:15 GMT
I don't go around telling deciding other people's national identity and I never said place of birth is the only identifier. I'm not English simply because I was born in England, I'm English because I was also raised in England, talk with an English accent and am culturally English. Apart from anything else, people trying to prise my national identity away from me just seems plain weird. So you don't know then? However one of the points made is that many people are trying to prise national/ethnic identity away from the English and obviously this is creating a fightback within which you are caught up. It is not fair on you but equally it is not fair on the English and in reality it is an English homeland. I reiterate I am Scots so I am viewing it from the outside The only people on this thread trying to prise away people's national identity are those trying to deny me and others like me ours. But then bullies often see or at least try to portray themselves as victims. |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 3, 2023 13:19:14 GMT
So, everyone who has adopted an English identity is English and everyone who has English ancestry is just a nasty racist intent on dividing those who don't. Makes sense! "everyone who has English ancestry is just a nasty racist intent on dividing those who don't." Literally nobody has said that. |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 3, 2023 13:21:09 GMT
This thread actually takes me back to 6th form and the self proclaimed cool kids who expected the rest of us to be devastated that they had excluded us from their clique. We just laughed and moved on. The fact that you didn’t care about being in the clique doesn’t refute the fact that you were excluded from the clique . If a an ethnic Pole and an ethnic white English person produced a child then that child would one step away from the ethnicity of its parents . I have no problem at all with my Jamaican friend not being ethnic English . I doubt that he has a problem either . I do have a problem with him being denied being English . Because he embraces being English more than Jamaican. The point is I could easily come up with my own classification of English that excludes Dan and co. That wouldn't make them any less English. As far as I'm concerned they may as well be stamping their feet and insisting I'm a giraffe. |
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