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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2023 16:21:23 GMT
Any reasoned response will be vexatiously dismissed as trolling. The discussion was flowing, then someone who hadn't been active in the conversation, who had made little to contribution to what has been a long debate, intervened with an unsubstantiated claim of trolling. This comes on top of vexatious reports. Forget it. I have not made any comments and reasoned responses have been a bit thin on the ground. I can indeed forget it as convincing you is obviously a waste of time but hopefully your responses may help convince others that 'something' in terms of political discourse is seriously wrong. Something is seriously wrong with how some are treating the Mind Zone. After literally hours of discussion, reasoned arguments and counter arguments, someone who had previously not been involved in the discussion came into the Mind Zone, and what was his great contribution? A couple of lines about trolling! That's it! That was his contribution to an entire day of discussion. A couple of lines of unsubstantiated nonsense. So, what's the point of the Mind Zone? Why do people bother? Its rules are simply being used to settle old scores. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 11, 2023 16:22:20 GMT
Presumably you will have reported it.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 11, 2023 16:36:42 GMT
I have not made any comments and reasoned responses have been a bit thin on the ground. I can indeed forget it as convincing you is obviously a waste of time but hopefully your responses may help convince others that 'something' in terms of political discourse is seriously wrong. Something is seriously wrong with how some are treating the Mind Zone. After literally hours of discussion, reasoned arguments and counter arguments, someone who had previously not been involved in the discussion came into the Mind Zone, and what was his great contribution? A couple of lines about trolling! That's it! That was his contribution to an entire day of discussion. A couple of lines of unsubstantiated nonsense. So, what's the point of the Mind Zone? Why do people bother? Its rules are simply being used to settle old scores. I think the 'reasoned arguments' have not been too apparent, excessive dependency on words and phrases such as ludicrous, absurd, RW, bigoted etc have not helped. I thought the point of the mind zone was that so topics could be discussed on their own merit with refutation based on counter evidence and indeed if a topic was absurd or ludicrous that would become self evident in the counter argument, not appear as such through the excessive use of those words to describe it. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 11, 2023 16:58:43 GMT
You.. No. If the far-right use the word in that way, then that will be the meaning of the word in far-right discourse. It is a far-right idea. Yes, it's an idea espoused and maintained by the far-right. Anyway, the Great Replacement Theory is professed by the far-right. But it is a far-right idea. The far-right are a lunatic fringe. It's perfectly natural to dismiss ideas professed by lunatics. The idea is current in far-right circles. It is professed by the far-right.” So you agree that pointing out that it’s a ‘ far right ‘ idea isn’t enough to refute it ? Your previous posts seem to suggest otherwise .. I'd say that what you quote above is less than 1% of what I've posted on this thread. If I was possessed by the same kind of mania, I could go back through the thread and copy and paste all the arguments I have presented. I have made several. As you're well aware (you've just had the pleasure of reading through my posts). So, in the interests of fairness, how's about you collect them all into one post. I merely posted several examples that suggested that you think calling an idea ‘ right wing ‘ is enough to refute it . In principle do you agree that calling an idea ‘ right wing ‘ is enough to refute it or not? |
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Post by see2 on Dec 11, 2023 17:59:12 GMT
Labelling an idea 'far-right' in an attempt to deprecate or denigrate it is a standard leftist tactic. However as far as Great Replacements are concerned some of the actual greatest were implemented by the Soviet Union which most people would categorise as 'far-left'. Only some. Labeling an idea as Far-right is an attempt to warn people that it is either held by right-wing extremists, or its origins come out from a right-wing stable. There should be denigration of the far-right and the far-left by all reasonably intelligent individuals. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 11, 2023 18:15:15 GMT
Labelling an idea 'far-right' in an attempt to deprecate or denigrate it is a standard leftist tactic. However as far as Great Replacements are concerned some of the actual greatest were implemented by the Soviet Union which most people would categorise as 'far-left'. Only some. Labeling an idea as Far-right is an attempt to warn people that it is either held by right-wing extremists, or its origins come out from a right-wing stable. There should be denigration of the far-right and the far-left by all reasonably intelligent individuals. If RW extremists hold a view it is not necessarily a problem, it may be a desire to be kind to animals. Origins from a far RW stable possibly has legs in terms of its possible unsavoury connotations as does far LW ideas. Neither should be used as a means to demolish the idea in total and that is what is normally done by the use of the words. Denigration of either far L or far R as an end in itself is a problem as the idea of either is often subjective in the extreme and the Left have a tendency to label almost anything that does not agree with their view as far Right as do the right seeing Marxism everywhere. |
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