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Post by happyhornet on Dec 3, 2023 8:10:46 GMT
The identity issue is a tricky one. As happyhornet said he feels English and most people accept him as English, ... It only seems to be tricky because many well-meaning people bend over backwards in their efforts to be friendly and accommodating to supplicants who desire to share our identity when they already have one of their own.
I recall an extended chinwag on this forum (or it may have been its predecessor) about David Lammy's claim to be English based on his belief that there was no such thing as a single English identity but rather there are many, one of which he felt entitled to claim in spite of his African-Caribbean heritage.
He was widely supported in this bizarre contention by many of the great and good as well as all the organs of the legacy media that chose to report on it.
This form of ritual self-abasement appears to be a peculiarly English affliction. I don't know of any other western European society where it would be tolerated.
If you found out tomorrow that you were adopted and your biological parents were German would your Englishness disappear in a puff of smoke? I'm a lot more secure in my Englishness than that.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 3, 2023 8:34:17 GMT
Newsflash - This thread is not just about you.
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 3, 2023 9:07:30 GMT
The fundamental interest of the English lies in the creation, well-being and long-term sustainability of a society in which all of our English descendants will have the benefit of unencumbered title to their ancestral homeland and in which they will be able to give unlimited expression to the heritage bequeathed to us and them by our own ancestors, without interference, fear or hindrance from external interests.
Ditto every other country. Does the Scottish and Welsh heritage not count?
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Post by Bentley on Dec 3, 2023 9:54:44 GMT
I was born in Africa, have lived in Africa all my life and Africa and African culture has not rubbed off on me nor has it shaped me at all. I appreciate that it has done so to Africans. We are very different. We don't hate one another and we recognise various cultures that are often very apparent everywhere. It has always been this way. We are all South Africans and when it comes to SA playing in World Cup rugby we all get together and support the team, the nation. That is what nationalism really is. You belong to a nation. But inside that you also belong in a different way to other groups. What is the huge problem with this? Uncontrolled immigration is the biggest problem, possibly, because it eventually causes displacement, which can wholly or partially alter a whole ethnic nation, or cause a majority to form that basically minimizes, in expression and number, the natives. Bearing in mind that the immigrant population has a huge ethnic nation back home to belong to, whereas the displaced group will have nothing. You really don't need to be a rocket science expert to realise this and acknowledge it. Any Israeli would be able to tell you how perilous this can be for a group. And because no one cares about this, there are trouble spots all over the world. It's mostly the west interfering. Because the west, dominated by America, claims supremacy over all cultures and people. It is a globalised monster and this explains why countries like Russia and China are designated as satanic opposites. We are expected to fight them, hate them, ridicule them and uphold a trashy modern culture that has next to nothing to do with any of our own cultures. If the English want to survive they need to stop giving the nod to woke.
The problem is that it is like a virus that mutates and a parasite that affects our collective brains at the same time . Imo ‘ wokeness’ ( in the context of its harshest critics ) is here to stay . Possibly until the West sinks into third world poverty.
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 3, 2023 9:59:43 GMT
Newsflash - This thread is not just about you. No, it appears to be about you and your insecurities.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Dec 3, 2023 10:01:23 GMT
I think the fundamental interest of the English people … and not just English … but every tribal group around the World and the territories they have settled …
…. is to have their borders respected and secured from invasion, have their lifestyles and culture protected from destruction by outsiders …( especially bullying religions and globalists with money and power)
… Have full indigenous control of their Media … a FREE SPEECH PRESS … so TRUTH can occasionally leak out …
…. and for the leaders they voted into power … be trusted, honest and loyal … and fully represent and efficiently execute the wishes and direction those indigenous people want to go in … while they are in these important positions of responsibility.
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As members above have revealed … we are all a mongrel mix of races and tribes (I’m half Swiss/half Lancashire) who grew up mostly all our lives under the umbrella of being English(insert own tribe here), part of the Union AND European(insert own Country/Collective territory here) … pretty much educated and tolerant to people who respect us, treat us fairly and are honest.
… it’s poodle politicians and our poodle MSM/BBC run by totalitarian factions(insert religion/wealth group/Deep State power here) …that are more of a threat to World stability than UK Nationalists.🙄
Most of the debates on here are Totalitarians V Liberationists.
…. on which side do you fall? … time to decide.🤔
Self-determination or Slavery?
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Post by sandypine on Dec 3, 2023 10:18:29 GMT
Newsflash - This thread is not just about you. No, it appears to be about you and your insecurities. Can I ask, we hear on the news, and from the left, so much about the 'Palestinian' people, who are they, how do you define them and is it just people living and born in Palestine which of course would include Israelis and it seems many born in Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt even the UK. If place of birth is the only identifier why are there so many Palestinians everywhere else?
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Post by Bentley on Dec 3, 2023 10:18:41 GMT
As I said before there are millions of ethnic Irish, Poles ,Chinese , Italians, Latinos,Jews etc etc in America that acknowledge and celebrate thier ethnicity without losing their US identity .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2023 10:32:35 GMT
Once again Sid, you demonstrate how much you are out of your depth in discussions on this sort of topic. You make here a very sweeping statement, which you fail to explain or expand upon. The main thrust of my post and argument is that "Culture" does not stand still, it evolves continuously, and it does take on board aspects of other cultures. Someone here mentions the American idea of The Melting Pot, as opposed to the Anglo-Canadian idea of "Multi Culturalism", and personaly I believe that The Melting Pot does not work, but Multi-Culturalism is successfull. You cannot tell an Indian doctor arriving to live and work in the UK, that from now on they must abandon Hinduism, adopt Christianity, and start eating Roast Beef & Yorkshire Pudding instead of Aloo Sag and Paneer Dahl.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 3, 2023 10:43:40 GMT
Once again Sid, you demonstrate how much you are out of your depth in discussions on this sort of topic. You make here a very sweeping statement, which you fail to explain or expand upon. The main thrust of my post and argument is that "Culture" does not stand still, it evolves continuously, and it does take on board aspects of other cultures. Someone here mentions the American idea of The Melting Pot, as opposed to the Anglo-Canadian idea of "Multi Culturalism", and personaly I believe that The Melting Pot does not work, but Multi-Culturalism is successfull. You cannot tell an Indian doctor arriving to live and work in the UK, that from now on they must abandon Hinduism, adopt Christianity, and start eating Roast Beef & Yorkshire Pudding instead of Aloo Sag and Paneer Dahl. No but you tell him he must tolerate all other cultures in the UK and accept that the freedoms that are placed upon him upon his arrival apply in equal measure to his children and his family and he neither dictate how they lead their lives nor apply his own cultural and/or religious norms to their well being against any aspect or cultural norm in the UK.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 3, 2023 10:56:09 GMT
There is a great difference deal of between cultural change which happens organically over a period of time, by public assent as it were, and cultural change which is imposed by internal (or external) agency. The widescale adoption of 'Indian' cuisine would be an example of the former, while the imposition on England of monstrous carbuncles like this is an example of the latter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2023 10:57:04 GMT
You make here a very sweeping statement, which you fail to explain or expand upon. The main thrust of my post and argument is that "Culture" does not stand still, it evolves continuously, and it does take on board aspects of other cultures. Someone here mentions the American idea of The Melting Pot, as opposed to the Anglo-Canadian idea of "Multi Culturalism", and personaly I believe that The Melting Pot does not work, but Multi-Culturalism is successfull. You cannot tell an Indian doctor arriving to live and work in the UK, that from now on they must abandon Hinduism, adopt Christianity, and start eating Roast Beef & Yorkshire Pudding instead of Aloo Sag and Paneer Dahl. No but you tell him he must tolerate all other cultures in the UK and accept that the freedoms that are placed upon him upon his arrival apply in equal measure to his children and his family and he neither dictate how they lead their lives nor apply his own cultural and/or religious norms to their well being against any aspect or cultural norm in the UK. What I would suggest that you do, is to go to Britains most Multi Cultural city for the Diwhali Festival ( Leicester ), and witness the many thousands of people of all races and faiths, including many thousands of white British who enjoy each year the biggest Hindu festival in Europe. The Diwhali celebrations are now part and parcel of Leicesters culture, and the fireworks, fun fair, street food and parade is enjoyed by all.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 3, 2023 11:10:52 GMT
No but you tell him he must tolerate all other cultures in the UK and accept that the freedoms that are placed upon him upon his arrival apply in equal measure to his children and his family and he neither dictate how they lead their lives nor apply his own cultural and/or religious norms to their well being against any aspect or cultural norm in the UK. What I would suggest that you do, is to go to Britains most Multi Cultural city for the Diwhali Festival ( Leicester ), and witness the many thousands of people of all races and faiths, including many thousands of white British who enjoy each year the biggest Hindu festival in Europe. The Diwhali celebrations are now part and parcel of Leicesters culture, and the fireworks, fun fair, street food and parade is enjoyed by all. Is that when they are not having a culture clash on the streets which can be set off by the slightest thing?
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Post by Orac on Dec 3, 2023 11:14:57 GMT
Bearing in mind that the immigrant population has a huge ethnic nation back home to belong to, whereas the displaced group will have nothing. You really don't need to be a rocket science expert to realise this and acknowledge it. Yes - this pattern could do with more focus. Why would you insist that groups who are very numerous and live in large nations, sometimes as large as small continents, be shuffled into a (say) small, already overcrowded island (like the uk), presently peopled by groups who are much less numerous?..and then keep forcing this transfer year, after year, after year, effectively, by degree, removing any claim the first group established? Any suspicions that this is willfully intended might well be amplified if you talk to some members of this board who appear to become almost apoplectic at the suggestion that anything at all be changed to interfere, no matter how indirectly, with this pattern
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 3, 2023 11:24:13 GMT
No, it appears to be about you and your insecurities. Can I ask, we hear on the news, and from the left, so much about the 'Palestinian' people, who are they, how do you define them and is it just people living and born in Palestine which of course would include Israelis and it seems many born in Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt even the UK. If place of birth is the only identifier why are there so many Palestinians everywhere else? I don't go around telling deciding other people's national identity and I never said place of birth is the only identifier. I'm not English simply because I was born in England, I'm English because I was also raised in England, talk with an English accent and am culturally English. Apart from anything else, people trying to prise my national identity away from me just seems plain weird.
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