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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 1, 2023 14:27:34 GMT
The fundamental interest of the English lies in the creation, well-being and long-term sustainability of a society in which all of our English descendants will have the benefit of unencumbered title to their ancestral homeland and in which they will be able to give unlimited expression to the heritage bequeathed to us and them by our own ancestors, without interference, fear or hindrance from external interests.
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Post by Orac on Dec 1, 2023 16:03:28 GMT
A nation is in essence an extended means to protect your offspring. It's funny how far we have wandered from fundamentals. Most of our nation's efforts now seem to surround finding other people's offspring and setting their interests above our own.
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Post by walterpaisley on Dec 1, 2023 16:10:30 GMT
The fundamental interest of the English lies in the creation, well-being and long-term sustainability of a society in which all of our English descendants will have the benefit of unencumbered title to their ancestral homeland and in which they will be able to give unlimited expression to the heritage bequeathed to us and them by our own ancestors, without interference, fear or hindrance from external interests. Can't imagine why you don't just trot out the "14 words" and save yourself some time.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 1, 2023 16:39:26 GMT
The 14 Words are concerned with white people not the English. There is a difference you know, or hadn't you been aware?
Where is the ancestral homeland of white people?
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Post by walterpaisley on Dec 1, 2023 17:24:38 GMT
The 14 Words are concerned with white people not the English. Funny - because I've lost count of how often I heard your lot bang on about how "British people" can be of any background, while "English" are supposedly "white".
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 1, 2023 18:50:25 GMT
I think that's broadly true but then - I don't know how to put this more simply - not all white people are English.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 1, 2023 18:51:42 GMT
Well, apart from Wally's obligatory sneer, the proposition hasn't drawn much dissent.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Dec 1, 2023 18:56:38 GMT
I've been told on a couple of occasions by immigrants that they are "British" because they've sworn allegiance to our Sovereign whilst I am merely "English" by birth, not having similarly sworn allegiance.
After the Scottish and Welsh parliaments were set up some immigrant people were saying that whilst there are British, Scottish, and Welsh people English people do not actually exist as a nationality.
On several occasions. when I was living in London, I was told by immigrants when I said I was English that "English people don't exist". They were "just having fun" ... but maybe there's something to what they say?
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Post by Bentley on Dec 1, 2023 19:49:41 GMT
We have been told by the Scots and Welsh that UK is nit a single country but a union of four . We should note this and react accordingly. The English do have a history and a character of their own . We have the character of Londoners, Liverpudlians, tykes , Geordies , monkey hangers and tractor boys . We should embrace it . A work colleague from Jamaica told me that when he went home the locals knew he was from England even before he opened his mouth . He told me that he considered himself a Londoner above all . We agreed that black Jamaican men from London were like white men from London . We worked , we drank beer, we shagged women. I can’t accept that he is not English.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 1, 2023 20:10:41 GMT
We have been told by the Scots and Welsh that UK is nit a single country but a union of four . We should note this and react accordingly. The English do have a history and a character of their own . We have the character of Londoners, Liverpudlians, tykes , Geordies , monkey hangers and tractor boys . We should embrace it . A work colleague from Jamaica told me that when he went home the locals knew he was from England even before he opened his mouth . He told me that he considered himself a Londoner above all . We agreed that black Jamaican men from London were like white men from London . We worked , we drank beer, we shagged women. I can’t accept that he is not English. 50 years ago it would not have been a problem but once the race laws came in he had to be something else other than ethnic English as he could claim to be, or have someone else claim, he was an ethnic minority.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 1, 2023 20:15:01 GMT
We have been told by the Scots and Welsh that UK is nit a single country but a union of four . We should note this and react accordingly. The English do have a history and a character of their own . We have the character of Londoners, Liverpudlians, tykes , Geordies , monkey hangers and tractor boys . We should embrace it . A work colleague from Jamaica told me that when he went home the locals knew he was from England even before he opened his mouth . He told me that he considered himself a Londoner above all . We agreed that black Jamaican men from London were like white men from London . We worked , we drank beer, we shagged women. I can’t accept that he is not English. 50 years ago it would not have been a problem but once the race laws came in he had to be something else other than ethnic English as he could claim to be, or have someone else claim, he was an ethnic minority. Reminds me of a black character on “ Til death do us part” played by Kenny Lynch . He complained that before the other blacks came here he was the ‘ token spade ‘ that everyone loved but now he’s just one of them .
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 1, 2023 21:41:46 GMT
Important to remember that, at this point in time, English is an ethnicity and not a nationality. You cannot, for example, acquire an English passport.
The Jamaican chap mentioned above has therefore no grounds for a claim on Englishness.
You cannot become a member of an ethnie simply by acting as if you are one.
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Post by Vanna on Dec 2, 2023 9:00:15 GMT
I admire your tenacity on this subject, Dan, but I have given up on stating my opinion or trying to support the right to existence of my people. We live in a strange world where some people are expected to attack their own kind and if they do not then they will be attacked, abused, ridiculed, bullied and lied about until they give up flogging a dead horse. Unless the horse, by some miracle of self defence, comes back to life, we are doomed as far as stating the facts of our existence, our history and our rights to these is concerned. The world is full of incredibly odd people, drugged to the eyeballs on all sorts of substances and spoiled rotten by the ease of modern life. They can no longer think, let alone think for themselves. Add to that a tendency to cling to religion whilst simultaneously behaving as though there were no scary desert deities who might throw them into lakes of fire if they move a whisker out of the establishment dogma. They still fear retribution of some kind. It obsesses them. They are a strange combination of gung-ho and moral outrage, wrapped in narcissism and decorated with artificial love tokens. I don't know what is going to happen to them. They have travelled so far from themselves that they might not get back to sanity.
I am no longer young and so my approaching death concerns me more than what some idiot with a bum full of glue and a can of red paint is going to do about climate change or any other daft fad that has caught its low-browed attention.
All I do know is that if you lift your head above the establishment parapet some fanatic will shoot it off. And that fanatic will often be one of your own people. Go figure. I have given up with why they have become what they have become and why they let antagonistic little newts snipe with impunity from the safety of the sidelines. The just do.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 2, 2023 9:39:33 GMT
I somehow am in doubt that the idea of an English people going about their own business and living Dans utopian dream will be seen as much more than a joke in the mind of the globalist, who has over the centuries worked hard to eradicate any idea of such things. Including his beloved EU which was just seen as another step in the global governance scheme of things.
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 2, 2023 9:48:24 GMT
Important to remember that, at this point in time, English is an ethnicity and not a nationality. You cannot, for example, acquire an English passport. The Jamaican chap mentioned above has therefore no grounds for a claim on Englishness. You cannot become a member of an ethnie simply by acting as if you are one. English isn't an ethnicity, it's a culture, if you're born and raised in England and speak with an English accent you're English.
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