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Post by happyhornet on Dec 8, 2023 11:13:54 GMT
You make my point very well Sandy. David Lammy thinks he is English and I would agree with him. Yet you claim he was voted down. When was this vote? Who got to vote? I certainly wasn’t asked to vote. Does that mean that my claim for Englishness has been voted down to but no one has bothered to tell me. This whole approval (or acceptance) thing seems fatally dysfunctional. It also appears you are now saying that anyone with brown or black skin can’t be English. It rather feels as if the mask may be slipping. Well try answering a question can anyone with white skin be an Australian aborigine? If yes I will concede the point that skin colour is immaterial if no then it has a bearing whether anyone likes it or not. Also remember you are answering yes or nor for Australian Aborigines and what they think and believe not for your own personal racial beliefs. EDIT As regards the 'vote' there is no vote there is only acceptance and if we take English as being ethnic English for the purposes of this thread there is little doubt he is not ethnically English as his antecedents are directly from Guyana. Wanting to blur the lines between ethnicity and Nationality is a rather tawdry exercise designed seemingly to eradicate an ethnic group. We have a name for that sort of thing. Again you're conflating ethnicity and nationality, they aren't the same thing. |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 8, 2023 11:14:42 GMT
The only English person who's existence has been denied on this thread is me. No one has queried your self identified grouping as being English with Irish heritage, in fact it is accepted without demur. I'm English, who is benefitting from you repeatedly denying it? |
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Post by dappy on Dec 8, 2023 11:14:49 GMT
You make my point very well Sandy. David Lammy thinks he is English and I would agree with him. Yet you claim he was voted down. When was this vote? Who got to vote? I certainly wasn’t asked to vote. Does that mean that my claim for Englishness has been voted down to but no one has bothered to tell me. This whole approval (or acceptance) thing seems fatally dysfunctional. It also appears you are now saying that anyone with brown or black skin can’t be English. It rather feels as if the mask may be slipping. Well try answering a question can anyone with white skin be an Australian aborigine? If yes I will concede the point that skin colour is immaterial if no then it has a bearing whether anyone likes it or not. Also remember you are answering yes or nor for Australian Aborigines and what they think and believe not for your own personal racial beliefs. So it seems we have finally got there. Black people can be British but not English and this is all this is about. An artificial construct created by former BNP members or racists or white supremecists or people like Sandy to create some white only construct as a stepping stone towards their ultimate dream of a racially divided white only homeland. They are entitled to their dream of course but not my or I suspect the vast majority of British and English people vision for what they want our country to be. In the eyes of - I suspect - most, David Lammy is every bit as English as anyone else. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 8, 2023 11:15:59 GMT
It looks like the foreigners who denied the existence of the ethnic English are desperate to be accepted as English. Such dishonesty on their part. It's no wonder so many good people are opposed to further immigration. Realistically as a Scot looking in so to speak it is a damned disgrace the political, legal and social manipulation that is occurring to dispense with English as an ethnic group. |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 8, 2023 11:20:21 GMT
You preach integration yet have spent 20 odd pages telling a fully integrated Englishman he isn't English. How can you be 'fully integrated' when you state quite clearly you have Irish heritage. Having Irish heritage either means something which why you said it or means nothing in which case why say it. Integration is a step to assimilation. My Irish heritage is simply observeable reality due to me having an Irish father. Him being Irish doesn't make me Irish anymore than him being a carpet fitter makes me a carpet fitter. Are you saying that in order to be English I have to delete my family history? |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 8, 2023 11:21:24 GMT
The only English person who's existence has been denied on this thread is me. Somehow I don't think this thread is about you. Is victimhood still en vogue? Ask the people complaining about English ethnicity being denied, oh and genocide. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 8, 2023 11:21:44 GMT
Well try answering a question can anyone with white skin be an Australian aborigine? If yes I will concede the point that skin colour is immaterial if no then it has a bearing whether anyone likes it or not. Also remember you are answering yes or nor for Australian Aborigines and what they think and believe not for your own personal racial beliefs. EDIT As regards the 'vote' there is no vote there is only acceptance and if we take English as being ethnic English for the purposes of this thread there is little doubt he is not ethnically English as his antecedents are directly from Guyana. Wanting to blur the lines between ethnicity and Nationality is a rather tawdry exercise designed seemingly to eradicate an ethnic group. We have a name for that sort of thing. Again you're conflating ethnicity and nationality, they aren't the same thing. Of course they are not, I think I have said that about ten times so far which is why I have also said for the purposes of this thread English means English ethnicity. So I repeat ad nauseum that in this thread when I say English it means ethnic English, no different if I said Australian meant aborigine. Apart from that why dodge the question above although not directed specifically at you? |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 8, 2023 11:22:09 GMT
It looks like the foreigners who denied the existence of the ethnic English are desperate to be accepted as English. Such dishonesty on their part. It's no wonder so many good people are opposed to further immigration. Which foreigners are they then? |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 8, 2023 11:23:38 GMT
Again you're conflating ethnicity and nationality, they aren't the same thing. Of course they are not, I think I have said that about ten times so far which is why I have also said for the purposes of this thread English means English ethnicity. So I repeat ad nauseum that in this thread when I say English it means ethnic English, no different if I said Australian meant aborigine. Apart from that why dodge the question above although not directed specifically at you? This thread is about the English people. David Lammy and I are both English. If you don't like it you do still have the mind your own business option. |
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 8, 2023 11:25:41 GMT
Somehow I don't think this thread is about you. Is victimhood still en vogue? Ask the people complaining about English ethnicity being denied, oh and genocide. I've read the OP. Somehow you've managed to turn this topic into something about you. That's pretty egocentric . |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 8, 2023 11:30:09 GMT
Ask the people complaining about English ethnicity being denied, oh and genocide. I've read the OP. Somehow you've managed to turn this topic into something about you. That's pretty egocentric . Yet here you are enabling egocentrism by talking about me. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2023 11:35:13 GMT
It looks like the foreigners who denied the existence of the ethnic English are desperate to be accepted as English. Such dishonesty on their part. It's no wonder so many good people are opposed to further immigration. Realistically as a Scot looking in so to speak it is a damned disgrace the political, legal and social manipulation that is occurring to dispense with English as an ethnic group. Genocide is disgraceful, but it's basically the approved point of view on these forums. I could say more but I will only be threatened.
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 8, 2023 11:38:50 GMT
I've read the OP. Somehow you've managed to turn this topic into something about you. That's pretty egocentric . Yet here you are enabling egocentrism by talking about me. No. You've talked about yourself more than enough in this thread, not me. |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 8, 2023 11:39:58 GMT
It looks like the foreigners who denied the existence of the ethnic English are desperate to be accepted as English. Such dishonesty on their part. It's no wonder so many good people are opposed to further immigration. Realistically as a Scot looking in so to speak it is a damned disgrace the political, legal and social manipulation that is occurring to dispense with English as an ethnic group. Again I can't help but wonder what sort of response I'd get as an outsider dictating who could and couldn't call themselves Scottish. |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 8, 2023 11:40:54 GMT
Yet here you are enabling egocentrism by talking about me. No. You've talked about yourself more than enough in this thread, not me. Again you're talking about me and indulging in personal attacks, the debating equivalent of running up the white flag. |
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