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Post by Bentley on Dec 2, 2023 10:22:17 GMT
I need some clarification here.
If an English man and a Polish woman have a child in England is that child NOT English?
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Post by Cartertonian on Dec 2, 2023 10:24:06 GMT
As I've commented many times before, I have never had any sense of being 'English', despite being born in England, to parents and grandparents all born in England. I don't know why that is. I have always regarded myself as British. Perhaps it's because going further back in my ancestry, there are people from all four contributor nations to these islands? Perhaps it's also because I don't really know what 'Englishness' is, as distinct from 'Britishness'.
Many nations of the world are divided from their neighbours by nothing more than a line on a map, often drawn by people other than those native to those lands. We are a distinct group of islands, and I identify with these islands as my ancestral home.
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Post by see2 on Dec 2, 2023 10:38:16 GMT
Perhaps those who claim to be English, should, if they haven't already, have their DNA checked.
I claim to be English (4th generation) but most of my DNA is Scottish followed by Scandinavian and a touch of Irish.
Edit:
Cartertonian has just reminded me about what I feel, and I have felt for a long time to be European.
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 2, 2023 10:44:12 GMT
I'm proud to be both British and English but consider myself English first. I honestly think that might be down to my love of sports and the intense rivalries we have with the other home nations in football and rugby.
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Post by Vanna on Dec 2, 2023 10:46:50 GMT
That won't help, Carty. They will still call you a racist. It's a little need they have. A bit like when a baby rubs a biscuit into an expensive carpet. Sometimes you just have to forgive them for they know not what they do. Babies grow up and stop doing it, but unfortunately it's adults who call you a racist for no reason, so I don't forgive them, even though they know not what they do because their education is considerably off in our time and they feel important and holy if they express negative attitudes toward their own kind. It's a sort of long winded fad. And I'm bored with it. It can't change my genes, so why spend time arguing about it? A closed mind is a closed mind. Won't suddenly see the light. Will attempt to discredit you instead.
It's like being nasty to an Inca because they mentioned they come from a certain culture and group. Saying Inca do not exist, etc. Calling them racists and so on. Won't change the fact that their genes say they are Inca. I have nothing against anyone for who they are. I just wish some would feel the same way about me. Many do, but come to a British forum and you get blasted. It's rather weird, but one has to accept it because it never fails to happen.
I am half Norse. Where my English forebears come from in England this is mostly what the populations consisted of, with some Celtic. Names are all from these groups. My upbringing was English. I am by nature very English. It's hard to tell the difference between many Germanic groups as they are so similar and look so similar. But they keep trying to say our ancestors were black now, which is inane and basically plain stupid. Can't do anything about the fact that the media encourage it. Haver to accept that much of our people have gone ga-ga.
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 2, 2023 10:51:17 GMT
Perhaps those who claim to be English, should, if they haven't already, have their DNA checked. I claim to be English (4th generation) but most of my DNA is Scottish followed by Scandinavian and a touch of Irish. Edit: Cartertonian has just reminded me about what I feel, and I have felt for a long time to be European. According to my ancestry DNA test I'm only 28% English and 48% Irish, think I'd struggle to pass myself off as a local in Ireland though 😂 |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 2, 2023 10:52:16 GMT
Important to remember that, at this point in time, English is an ethnicity and not a nationality. You cannot, for example, acquire an English passport. The Jamaican chap mentioned above has therefore no grounds for a claim on Englishness. You cannot become a member of an ethnie simply by acting as if you are one. English isn't an ethnicity, it's a culture, if you're born and raised in England and speak with an English accent you're English. Then how can anyone then also be an ethnic minority? What you are in part saying is that those that follow cultures from abroad are not English |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 2, 2023 10:54:28 GMT
That won't help, Carty. They will still call you a racist. It's a little need they have. A bit like when a baby rubs a biscuit into an expensive carpet. Sometimes you just have to forgive them for they know not what they do. Babies grow up and stop doing it, but unfortunately it's adults who call you a racist for no reason, so I don't forgive them, even though they know not what they do because their education is considerably off in our time and they feel important and holy if they express negative attitudes toward their own kind. It's a sort of long winded fad. And I'm bored with it. It can't change my genes, so why spend time arguing about it? A closed mind is a closed mind. Won't suddenly see the light. Will attempt to discredit you instead. It's like being nasty to an Inca because they mentioned they come from a certain culture and group. Saying Inca do not exist, etc. Calling them racists and so on. Won't change the fact that their genes say they are Inca. I have nothing against anyone for who they are. I just wish some would feel the same way about me. Many do, but come to a British forum and you get blasted. It's rather weird, but one has to accept it because it never fails to happen. I am half Norse. Where my English forebears come from in England this is mostly what the populations consisted of, with some Celtic. Names are all from these groups. My upbringing was English. I am by nature very English. It's hard to tell the difference between many Germanic groups as they are so similar and look so similar. But they keep trying to say our ancestors were black now, which is inane and basically plain stupid. Can't do anything about the fact that the media encourage it. Haver to accept that much of our people have gone ga-ga. "I have nothing against anyone for who they are. I just wish some would feel the same way about me" I feel the same but it's people on the other side of the political spectrum who have been trying to deny me and my kids national identity. It does get tiring. |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 2, 2023 10:57:14 GMT
English isn't an ethnicity, it's a culture, if you're born and raised in England and speak with an English accent you're English. Then how can anyone then also be an ethnic minority? What you are in part saying is that those that follow cultures from abroad are not English Ethnicity and nationality are two different things. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 2, 2023 11:01:36 GMT
If English is not an ethnicity, how about Scottish, Irish or Welsh? Norwegian, German, Yoruba, Han or Japanese for that matter.
Is there no such thing as an ethnicity, or is it just the English who don't qualify?
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 2, 2023 11:03:23 GMT
If English is not an ethnicity, how about Scottish, Irish or Welsh? Norwegian, German, Yoruba, Han or Japanese for that matter. Is there no such thing as an ethnicity, or is it just the English who don't qualify? Those are also nationalities. Of course you can be ethnically or indigenously English too. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2023 11:03:40 GMT
If English is not an ethnicity, how about Scottish, Irish or Welsh? Norwegian, German, Yoruba, Han or Japanese for that matter. Is there no such thing as an ethnicity, or is it just the English who don't qualify? I would argue that it's all part of the genocide, which is why they're hostile toward the English and insisting they don't or shouldn't exist. |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 2, 2023 11:06:47 GMT
If English is not an ethnicity, how about Scottish, Irish or Welsh? Norwegian, German, Yoruba, Han or Japanese for that matter. Is there no such thing as an ethnicity, or is it just the English who don't qualify? I would argue that it's all part of the genocide, which is why they're hostile toward the English and insisting they don't or shouldn't exist. Who is insisting the English don't or shouldn't exist? There are people on this forum who deny people's Englishness but they all seem to be on the right. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 2, 2023 11:06:48 GMT
One of the reasons Carty has never felt English is because that has been trained out of him at an early age, as it was for most people who have been processed through the so-called educational system and subsequently derived their world-view from what they are instructed to think by the legacy media.
Englishness has been officially deprecated since the creation of the Union, largely because of the need to enrol the non-English in the Imperial project.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 2, 2023 11:08:46 GMT
That won't help, Carty. They will still call you a racist. It's a little need they have. A bit like when a baby rubs a biscuit into an expensive carpet. Sometimes you just have to forgive them for they know not what they do. Babies grow up and stop doing it, but unfortunately it's adults who call you a racist for no reason, so I don't forgive them, even though they know not what they do because their education is considerably off in our time and they feel important and holy if they express negative attitudes toward their own kind. It's a sort of long winded fad. And I'm bored with it. It can't change my genes, so why spend time arguing about it? A closed mind is a closed mind. Won't suddenly see the light. Will attempt to discredit you instead. It's like being nasty to an Inca because they mentioned they come from a certain culture and group. Saying Inca do not exist, etc. Calling them racists and so on. Won't change the fact that their genes say they are Inca. I have nothing against anyone for who they are. I just wish some would feel the same way about me. Many do, but come to a British forum and you get blasted. It's rather weird, but one has to accept it because it never fails to happen. I am half Norse. Where my English forebears come from in England this is mostly what the populations consisted of, with some Celtic. Names are all from these groups. My upbringing was English. I am by nature very English. It's hard to tell the difference between many Germanic groups as they are so similar and look so similar. But they keep trying to say our ancestors were black now, which is inane and basically plain stupid. Can't do anything about the fact that the media encourage it. Haver to accept that much of our people have gone ga-ga. "I have nothing against anyone for who they are. I just wish some would feel the same way about me" I feel the same but it's people on the other side of the political spectrum who have been trying to deny me and my kids national identity. It does get tiring. I do not believe anyone is denying you a national identity in fact it is the other way round you seem to be denying the English a national identity because you feel it may exclude you however that perception came about. Most people are not excluding you but anyone who also claims an ethnic minority status has to actually have a clear idea of what the Ethnic majority is and in England that majority is English just as it would be Indian in India, or Irish in Ireland. Why does that annoy people so much. For clarification I am Scottish but I would never dream of denying the English the same right I claim. |
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