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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 19, 2023 6:54:03 GMT
Not me, Squire. I won't be voting for them.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 19, 2023 8:01:11 GMT
Not me, Squire. I won't be voting for them. Ahh Ok. Who would you vote for? |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 19, 2023 8:10:16 GMT
LOL! 
This ain't the last time, Zany. Starmer ain't no Blair and he won't be inheriting a well-functioning economy and full coffers.
He's already u-turned on practically every one of his early pledges and Labour are already saying that they won't be able to afford the things that they'd like to do.
They've already fired funding shots across the bows of the NHS and by the time Labour get into power, if they get into power, they will be indistinguishable from the Tories.
Still, I'm sure that the useful idiots will crow as if they've won some kind of victory but the truth is that the country will still be run by the exact same establishment that it is now.
LOL. You're right there, labour will inherit the shit mess the Tories have made of this country. I guess it will take a while to discover just how bad things are and how to fix it. they are not off to a good start..  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 19, 2023 12:32:46 GMT
Not me, Squire. I won't be voting for them. Ahh Ok. Who would you vote for? Reform. As I've said elsewhere, they might not get anywhere but at least my conscience will be clear of the incoming establishment shit show. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 19, 2023 13:12:56 GMT
LOL. You're right there, labour will inherit the shit mess the Tories have made of this country. I guess it will take a while to discover just how bad things are and how to fix it. they are not off to a good start.. The 28bn was investment in renewable. Different to debt. I should think with more trouble in the middle east we would be glad to be more energy independent. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 19, 2023 18:21:17 GMT
Given that every renewable technology needs subsidy to be commercially viable I wouldn't expect any return from this £28 Billion 'investment' that will reduce the National Debt.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 19, 2023 18:35:51 GMT
Given that every renewable technology needs subsidy to be commercially viable I wouldn't expect any return from this £28 Billion 'investment' that will reduce the National Debt. Depends on how long you wait. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2023 18:41:36 GMT
Given that every renewable technology needs subsidy to be commercially viable I wouldn't expect any return from this £28 Billion 'investment' that will reduce the National Debt. Some people want the most incompetent party in the country in power. These people are EUphiles. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 19, 2023 20:53:18 GMT
Given that every renewable technology needs subsidy to be commercially viable I wouldn't expect any return from this £28 Billion 'investment' that will reduce the National Debt. Some people want the most incompetent party in the country in power. These people are EUphiles. I suppose some Tories must be EUphiles. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 19, 2023 22:27:44 GMT
Given that every renewable technology needs subsidy to be commercially viable I wouldn't expect any return from this £28 Billion 'investment' that will reduce the National Debt. Depends on how long you wait. well you can only make investment decisions on the foreseable future - and I see no suggestion (by anyone) that renewable technologies will suddenly become viable without subsidy. In fact there are plenty of calls for higher subsidies. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 20, 2023 8:57:07 GMT
Depends on how long you wait. well you can only make investment decisions on the foreseable future - and I see no suggestion (by anyone) that renewable technologies will suddenly become viable without subsidy. In fact there are plenty of calls for higher subsidies. If you want to see you must first open your eyes and then your mind. You would need to view the whole equation including the cost to government of not tackling climate change, then look at how the world will want our proven technology as it catches up. But then for you to appreciate that you would have to believe climate change is happening. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 20, 2023 12:02:53 GMT
well you can only make investment decisions on the foreseable future - and I see no suggestion (by anyone) that renewable technologies will suddenly become viable without subsidy. In fact there are plenty of calls for higher subsidies. If you want to see you must first open your eyes and then your mind. You would need to view the whole equation including the cost to government of not tackling climate change, then look at how the world will want our proven technology as it catches up.But then for you to appreciate that you would have to believe climate change is happening. That is a commercial decision - it doesn't need subsidising. If a company has a world beating technology the world will come trotting to their door. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 20, 2023 17:59:31 GMT
If you want to see you must first open your eyes and then your mind. You would need to view the whole equation including the cost to government of not tackling climate change, then look at how the world will want our proven technology as it catches up.But then for you to appreciate that you would have to believe climate change is happening. That is a commercial decision - it doesn't need subsidising. If a company has a world beating technology the world will come trotting to their door. Yes having ignored the rest of my post you would be right. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 20, 2023 18:28:41 GMT
That is a commercial decision - it doesn't need subsidising. If a company has a world beating technology the world will come trotting to their door. Yes having ignored the rest of my post you would be right. well the rest of your post was irrelevant to the claim from Labour. Spending £28 Billion (that we have not got) subsidising renewables might do wonders for climate change - what it will not do though is lower the National Debt. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 20, 2023 19:22:41 GMT
Yes having ignored the rest of my post you would be right. well the rest of your post was irrelevant to the claim from Labour. Spending £28 Billion (that we have not got) subsidising renewables might do wonders for climate change - what it will not do though is lower the National Debt. No. Its an investment for the government. Just as building a new hi tech hospital is an investment for the government. It doesn't make profit but it does save the government money on a service they must supply. The rest hinges on that. |
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