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Post by dappy on Dec 5, 2023 10:00:59 GMT
I am sure you think of little else apart from "resident migrants", Dan.
The policy achieves forcing roughly 80% of young Britons (of whatever ethnicity, colour of skin, sexuality, etc) to choose between abandoning the person they wish to marry and being FORCED to live abroad even if this is not what the couple desire. It really is shameful stuff.
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 5, 2023 10:32:15 GMT
Meh, outrage for outrage sake.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 5, 2023 10:36:19 GMT
I'd be very surprised if more than a tiny handful of native Britons will be inconvenienced by the new regulations and anyway why should there be a presumption that all such marriages be accommodated in the UK?
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 5, 2023 10:40:06 GMT
I'd be very surprised if more than a tiny handful of native Britons will be inconvenienced by the new regulations and anyway why should there be a presumption that all such marriages be accommodated in the UK? Not only that, I am sure there will be loopholes that allow a spouse's family to sponsor the partner. It seems to me, this is more like faux outrage used as a political opportunity to try and twist the knife into this useless government. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 5, 2023 10:43:18 GMT
you are circling Dan. We have done this one.
Lots of British citizens (of whatever colour skin - it always comes back to that with you doesn't it) fall in love and wish to marry foreign nationals. It is a matter of judgement whether you think this heinous crime should result in banishment from their country or whether in that situation the happy couple should have the right to choose whether to live in the UK or (in this case) Spain.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 5, 2023 10:45:28 GMT
you are circling Dan. We have done this one. Lots of British citizens (of whatever colour skin - it always comes back to that with you doesn't it) fall in love and wish to marry foreign nationals. It is a matter of judgement whether you think this heinous crime should result in banishment from their country or whether in that situation the happy couple should have the right to choose whether to live in the UK or (in this case) Spain. When you say lots exactly how many are you talking about? Do you know or are you just blowing smoke? |
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 5, 2023 10:47:45 GMT
you are circling Dan. We have done this one. Lots of British citizens (of whatever colour skin - it always comes back to that with you doesn't it) fall in love and wish to marry foreign nationals. It is a matter of judgement whether you think this heinous crime should result in banishment from their country or whether in that situation the happy couple should have the right to choose whether to live in the UK or (in this case) Spain. It's not the British public who are marrying a foreign partner, it is a single individual, and he or she will have to ensure that dependency rests on him or her and not the rest of society. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 5, 2023 10:52:26 GMT
When I wrote 'vanishingly small' I had not been thinking of resident migrants wanting to bring in spouses/partners until Sheepy reminded me. That is probably who the new rules are intended for, rather than native Britons. A secondary target could be the sad types who want to import mail-order brides from abroad. I suspect That's exactly what it’s for. As usual lefties construct an emotional scenerio (out of romance novel )to try to dispute a pragmatic and sensible policy . The policy isn’t to stop Kevin marrying his senorita , it’s to stop migrants on low wages bringing in their family and increasing the tax burden . Kevin is a casualty of excessive immigration . |
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 5, 2023 10:53:03 GMT
Assuming that is true and I note you haven't provided a source, how many Britons aspire to marry a foreigner anyway? Do you personally know of any?
I imagine it's a vanishingly small number.
Probably 50% of the Asian community perhaps. Good point. |
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 5, 2023 10:54:57 GMT
When I wrote 'vanishingly small' I had not been thinking of resident migrants wanting to bring in spouses/partners until Sheepy reminded me. That is probably who the new rules are intended for, rather than native Britons. A secondary target could be the sad types who want to import mail-order brides from abroad. I suspect That's exactly what it’s for. As usual lefties construct an emotional scenerio (out of romance novel )to try to dispute a pragmatic and sensible policy . The policy isn’t to stop Kevin marrying his senorita , it’s to stop migrants on low wages bringing in their family and increasing the tax burden . Kevin is a casualty of excessive immigration .A policy the same lefties pine for, or rather defend the rights of Johnny foreigner over their own compatriots. I wish I could live in an Ivory Tower. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 5, 2023 10:57:53 GMT
you are circling Dan. We have done this one. Lots of British citizens (of whatever colour skin - it always comes back to that with you doesn't it) fall in love and wish to marry foreign nationals. It is a matter of judgement whether you think this heinous crime should result in banishment from their country or whether in that situation the happy couple should have the right to choose whether to live in the UK or (in this case) Spain. When you say lots exactly how many are you talking about? Do you know or are you just blowing smoke? As far as I know the Government doesn't keep statistics on who our young people are sleeping with nor who they intend to marry in the next few years Dan. If the number is tiny, why does the government need to legislate to force young Brits to leave their country? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 5, 2023 10:59:21 GMT
As noted earlier the principal targets of this legislation are probably not who you imagine they are.
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Post by dappy on Dec 5, 2023 11:04:39 GMT
Whoever the "principal targets" may or may not be, the effect of this dreadful policy is that young British people are FORCED to choose between abandoning the love of their life or leaving their home country. Utterly utterly shameful.
We are circling badly now. Unless you have anything new to add to the litany of failed arguments you have attempted to defend this cruelty, I suggest we leave it there.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 5, 2023 11:08:25 GMT
dappy's turning this one into a right-old three-hankie job. He could be writing a column in the Guardian, they love this sort of 'human interest' story and tales of oppression even when there are no identifiable victims to speak of.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 5, 2023 11:23:25 GMT
You are excluding 80% of British people under 35 from living with their spouses if their spouses happen to be say Spanish. Now you have finally accepted the reality of what this government is doing - a reality you earlier couldn't quite believe is true - you seem to be trying to argue that it is reasonable. What a horrible country you aspire too. There is no law that prevents a British subject from living with his Spanish wife, he is neither restricted by UK law from working abroad or leaving the country to join his spouse. So he is not prevented from doing anything he wishes. I thought a similar law had been in place for a while as I was speaking to a Pakistani heritage lady on a plane aboy ten years ago and she was going to visit her husband in Pakistan as he was not allowed to come to the UK as he and she did not have enough earnings. In reality if one does not have enough earnings then the state, and that is us, will pick up the tab so a limit is needed you just disagree with where it should be. |
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