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Post by buccaneer on Dec 5, 2023 1:40:50 GMT
You are entitled to think that forcing most UK citizens marrying people from overseas to leave the country is OK. It’s not the country I wish to live in Do the UK a favour then and leave if that's how you feel. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2023 5:10:24 GMT
Breaking news. Jokesy quotes the Daily Mail again, thereby ensuring that he is only ever preaching to the converted. C'est la vie. So you have conceeded again then...Well done. I dont really even know what you are going on about because I dont read the Daily Mail, so shove that up your arse and twist. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 5, 2023 6:45:05 GMT
So you have conceeded again then...Well done. I dont really even know what you are going on about because I dont read the Daily Mail, so shove that up your arse and twist. Yep atatck the source and not the content when you cannot refute the truth. Typical leftie ploy. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2023 7:08:08 GMT
So you have conceeded again then...Well done. I dont really even know what you are going on about because I dont read the Daily Mail, so shove that up your arse and twist. Maybe moderation will delete the post/thread now that it doesn't meet your approval. Just hit the report button. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 5, 2023 8:01:43 GMT
You don't think a pragmatic immigration policy would be designed such that a English boy and a Spanish girl could marry and live in Liverpool if that is what they want to do? Why wouldn't they marry and live in Madrid which in my experience is a far more appealing place than Liverpool?
The default assumption that that such a coupling must automatically end up in the UK seems to me to a category error.
Seriously? Your answer to Dappy's point is that they could both leave the UK? Firstly it doesn't answer the question, Secondly it assumes the decision on where to live is arbitrary and not based on jobs, family etc, Thirdly you asume the default is to live here, but for every Liverpool lad there will be a Malaga lad. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 5, 2023 8:13:27 GMT
This whole Tory plan is last minute desperate thrashing to regain support. Its meaningless and ill thought through.
If they were genuine about stopping immigration they would have had restrictions on what type of jobs could go to migrants years ago.
It shouldn't be based on something as clumsy as what you can earn.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 5, 2023 8:31:09 GMT
The new threshold of £38,700 is scarcely more than the UK average wage so it seems eminently sensible to restrict anyone earning less than this quite modest sum from importing a foreign spouse/partner. The only mystery is why this obvious and necessary measure wasn't introduced years ago. Have a look at the link of current skills shortages, there's hardly a job that is close to £38,700 If a residential care manager with experience cannot bring their husband or wife, they wont come, its that simple. They can go elsewhere - another country such as France, where they can bring their husband or wife. www.gov.uk/government/publications/skilled-worker-visa-shortage-occupations/skilled-worker-visa-shortage-occupationsThey can bring them but whether or not they get a permanent Carte de Sejours wil depend on being able to prove they have enough income to prevent becoming a burden on the state. And have private health insurance.
As for skills shortages in the UK, isn't the Migration Advisory Committee advising the government to scrap it on the grounds that it encourages employers to bring low-paid workers into the UK rather than train UK citizens?
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 5, 2023 8:38:13 GMT
The new threshold of £38,700 is scarcely more than the UK average wage so it seems eminently sensible to restrict anyone earning less than this quite modest sum from importing a foreign spouse/partner. The only mystery is why this obvious and necessary measure wasn't introduced years ago. Only c 20% of UK Nationals under 35 - the age group most likely to be getting married - earn over £38,700. ... Assuming that is true and I note you haven't provided a source, how many Britons aspire to marry a foreigner anyway? Do you personally know of any?
I imagine it's a vanishingly small number.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 5, 2023 8:40:39 GMT
Only c 20% of UK Nationals under 35 - the age group most likely to be getting married - earn over £38,700. ... Assuming that is true and I note you haven't provided a source, how many Britons aspire to marry a foreigner anyway? Do you personally know of any?
I imagine it's a vanishingly small number.
Probably 50% of the Asian community perhaps. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 5, 2023 8:44:54 GMT
Yes, you're probably right. I hadn't thought about that. It's probably why so many lefties are so outraged about the plan.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 5, 2023 8:55:45 GMT
Also, probably why somebody has decided after decades of it happening, they cannot bring their families with them. Not that it actually matters now it is about 2 decades after the fact.
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 5, 2023 9:00:28 GMT
This whole Tory plan is last minute desperate thrashing to regain support. Its meaningless and ill thought through. If they were genuine about stopping immigration they would have had restrictions on what type of jobs could go to migrants years ago. It shouldn't be based on something as clumsy as what you can earn. Of course it is a last minute ditch to win support. Too little too late and the Conservatives in their heart of heart will know this. However, this is the way it should have been from the get-go. English, being lingua franca entails that getting into the country to live is a privilege and not a right. The nation does have people of its own to think about. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 5, 2023 9:08:05 GMT
This whole Tory plan is last minute desperate thrashing to regain support. Its meaningless and ill thought through. If they were genuine about stopping immigration they would have had restrictions on what type of jobs could go to migrants years ago. It shouldn't be based on something as clumsy as what you can earn. The nation does have people of its own to think about. Once you accept these people exist, it becomes obvious a lot of current policy amounts to targeted abuse of this group. This is why there are such strained efforts to pretend this is not the case. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 5, 2023 9:32:03 GMT
Only c 20% of UK Nationals under 35 - the age group most likely to be getting married - earn over £38,700. ... Assuming that is true and I note you haven't provided a source, how many Britons aspire to marry a foreigner anyway? Do you personally know of any?
I imagine it's a vanishingly small number.
The exact figures you need to wade through the ONS figures Dan. I dont know how to post it here. A summary of median salary by age iks a pretty good indicator. uk.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-uk-salary#:~:text=The%20salary%20you%20earn%20also%20depends%20on%20your,%C2%A332%2C965%20pa%2040-49%3A%20%C2%A335%2C904%20pa%2050-59%3A%20%C2%A333%2C231%20pa If the number of people marrying foreign nationals is "vanishingly small" it would seem unnecessary for the government to introduce such an appalling policy. In answer to your question, young people travel widely these days and shockingly talk to, have sex with, fall in love with and marry foreigners. I know you will see that as a shocking betrayal of their country. Yes I know lots of peop,le in that situation |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 5, 2023 9:53:00 GMT
When I wrote 'vanishingly small' I had not been thinking of resident migrants wanting to bring in spouses/partners until Sheepy reminded me.
That is probably who the new rules are intended for, rather than native Britons. A secondary target could be the sad types who want to import mail-order brides from abroad.
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