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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 13, 2022 10:21:08 GMT
It's the loony left, you'd have to be pretty naive not to know the NHS, civil servants/public sector workers are in the main Labour supporters, the police are actively being inactive tackling the Eco mob and crime, and if you don't think it's making a political statement then more fool you. The Unions are Labour supporters irrespective who is the leader. Just when you think there's a shortage of conspiracies... I don't give a fuck what you or any one else thinks, I'm entitled to my own opinion and take it from I'm not alone, civil servants and public sector workers are pissed off with the Tory party, they know they are in for pay freezes, when Labour are in power they have a easy ride.
We know Labour throw money at them, because it's FREE tax payers money, if you and others think otherwise you are entitled to your opinions.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 13, 2022 10:23:28 GMT
It's all politically motivated, it's a well known fact the Unions (Labour) are behind all this. They know Starmer isn't going to be the next Prime Minister, because he has no personality, no policies, no nothing to offer to voters, so the Unions are working hard behind the scenes trying to bring down the Tories using dirty tactics, not just a coincidence that all those striking just happen to have hardcore Labour Unions backing them up. Huh? The Unions all hate Starmer because he is a populist with no convictions. Many don't even send money to Labour anymore. I work for Royal Mail. The CEO, presumably emboldened by P&O, decided he was going to bypass the CWU and just impose a 2% pay rise and make massive changes to the terms and conditions. He then spent the next 6 months not showing up to agreed talks, and mocking the union on social media. Your postman is going to be starting at noon and finishing at 7pm, and will be working Sundays at normal rate... for 20% less money!! He will never be paid any overtime because he will be sent home when it is quiet, and then forced to work extra days when it is busy. If he gets sick he will be on SSP, and if he goes on long-term sickness he will be fired. So please, please, explain to me how the CWU strikes are an anti-Tory plot, and not workers trying to defend their term and conditions? I agree on this, I would like Starmer to make his position clearer, not on unions per se, but on what is being proposed re royal mail. Does he still think that the post office/delivery is an essential service that should be protected from market forces or a dinosaur unable to compete in the modern world. For myself, I think it does play an individual role. If not it would be free to cherry pick the best paying services like the other delivery companies do. Instead what has happened since privatisation is that the management are trying to cut costs and increase profits while keeping up the legal requirements placed upon them. The only way they can achieve this is in the ways you list above and that is wrong. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 13, 2022 10:25:57 GMT
Just when you think there's a shortage of conspiracies... I don't give a fuck what you or any one else thinks, I'm entitled to my own opinion and take it from I'm not alone, civil servants and public sector workers are pissed off with the Tory party, they know they are in for pay freezes, when Labour are in power they have a easy ride.
We know Labour throw money at them, because it's FREE tax payers money, if you and others think otherwise you are entitled to your opinions.
Who told you you weren't entitled to your opinion? I just disagree with it. I consider it a conspiracy theory because it relies on no evidence but only assumptions to fit your opinion. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 13, 2022 10:26:02 GMT
Unions are Labour, they don't give a flying frig if it's Starmer in charge, they are there to get Labour back in power, then they'll fuck Starmer off, you don't think they are going to give the Tories an easy ride because they don't like Starmer FFS lol  |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 13, 2022 10:33:12 GMT
I don't give a fuck what you or any one else thinks, I'm entitled to my own opinion and take it from I'm not alone, civil servants and public sector workers are pissed off with the Tory party, they know they are in for pay freezes, when Labour are in power they have a easy ride.
We know Labour throw money at them, because it's FREE tax payers money, if you and others think otherwise you are entitled to your opinions.
Who told you you weren't entitled to your opinion? I just disagree with it. I consider it a conspiracy theory because it relies on no evidence but only assumptions to fit your opinion. So you deny and think it's a conspiracy that most NHS workers, teachers, police, rail workers, doctors, GPs are all Tory voters?
It's no big secret or conspiracy that both Civil Servants and public sector workers are predominantly Labour voters, when Laour are in power these groups of workers who are paid by Tax payers money, and Labour love chucking tax payers money around, those on benefits love them in power, more money for them.
What conspiracy is there in that ^^?
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 13, 2022 11:42:32 GMT
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 13, 2022 12:24:27 GMT
There seems to be a lot of leftovers from patients...  Three severe cases of water retention there . They certainly didn't eat the grapes that visitors brought in , has the hospital checked for missing patients? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 13, 2022 17:34:51 GMT
Who told you you weren't entitled to your opinion? I just disagree with it. I consider it a conspiracy theory because it relies on no evidence but only assumptions to fit your opinion. So you deny and think it's a conspiracy that most NHS workers, teachers, police, rail workers, doctors, GPs are all Tory voters?
It's no big secret or conspiracy that both Civil Servants and public sector workers are predominantly Labour voters, when Laour are in power these groups of workers who are paid by Tax payers money, and Labour love chucking tax payers money around, those on benefits love them in power, more money for them.
What conspiracy is there in that ^^?
Not sure what your first sentence means. How can I deny and think its a conspiracy? As to how doctors nurses etc vote, do you have any evidence to support your view or is it just how you think they must vote? Add to this the reasons they are asking for eye watering pay rises this year are well known. Strange that you think they would choose the same crises to secretly band together to destroy the conservative party when there really isn't any need to when Liz Truss did it for them. Further its a strange year to choose to perform their master stroke, surely the year before the election would be the best time? Also, why did they wait 12 years to carry out there evil plans? I don't believe you've given this too much thought, but that's the great thing about conspiracies, you don't need to. You just ask the other guy to prove its not happening. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 13, 2022 17:40:29 GMT
Three severe cases of water retention there . They certainly didn't eat the grapes that visitors brought in , has the hospital checked for missing patients? 3 Double egg and chips , spotted dick and diet cokes please . |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 14, 2022 10:31:25 GMT
So you deny and think it's a conspiracy that most NHS workers, teachers, police, rail workers, doctors, GPs are all Tory voters?
It's no big secret or conspiracy that both Civil Servants and public sector workers are predominantly Labour voters, when Laour are in power these groups of workers who are paid by Tax payers money, and Labour love chucking tax payers money around, those on benefits love them in power, more money for them.
What conspiracy is there in that ^^?
Not sure what your first sentence means. How can I deny and think its a conspiracy? As to how doctors nurses etc vote, do you have any evidence to support your view or is it just how you think they must vote? Add to this the reasons they are asking for eye watering pay rises this year are well known. Strange that you think they would choose the same crises to secretly band together to destroy the conservative party when there really isn't any need to when Liz Truss did it for them. Further its a strange year to choose to perform their master stroke, surely the year before the election would be the best time? Also, why did they wait 12 years to carry out there evil plans? I don't believe you've given this too much thought, but that's the great thing about conspiracies, you don't need to. You just ask the other guy to prove its not happening. Look I'm not skilled in teaching others 'how to spot the bleeding obvious', it's a well established fact that both civil servants and public sector workers are Labour voters, look at the deal Blair gave to GPs, they now top £120,000 pa, and most people can't even get to see them, the Tories opposed that deal and lost, good old Labour for you, they chuck tax payers money around like confetti.
Both civil servants and public sector workers are highly represented by Labour Unions, are you starting to get it yet?
Why would you bite the hand the feeds you?
It is within civil servants and public sector workers best interests to vote Labour, I'm not sure why you are on a political forum if you think every thing is black and white, try thinking outside the box, it broadens the mind.
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Post by jaydee on Nov 14, 2022 11:15:46 GMT
Look I'm not skilled in teaching others 'how to spot the bleeding obvious', it's a well established fact that both civil servants and public sector workers are Labour voters, look at the deal Blair gave to GPs, they now top £120,000 pa, and most people can't even get to see them, the Tories opposed that deal and lost, good old Labour for you, they chuck tax payers money around like confetti.
Both civil servants and public sector workers are highly represented by Labour Unions, are you starting to get it yet?
Why would you bite the hand the feeds you?
It is within civil servants and public sector workers best interests to vote Labour, I'm not sure why you are on a political forum if you think every thing is black and white, try thinking outside the box, it broadens the mind.
You are correct for the first time "how not to spot the bleedin obviouis". Which in your case seems to be at odds with everybody else and their version of the obvious. Could you supply all those magic bleedin obvious figures that civil servants and public sector workers are Labour voters. Then tell me how the new enemy for you to hate are the doctors. They take a minimum of 10 years to train. And the average pay for one who is trained is just over £82,000. You know £2,000 less that the bleedin obvious of people who get £84,000 on the dole, according to your being "bleedin obvious". What exactly is your problem with a Doctor getting a average of some £82,000 a year. Then can you tell me who's fault it is how most people cannot get to see a doctor. Or are you suggesting they sit on their rectum , telling the great unwashed to get stuffed. And they are not highly represented by anyone. To take action under the present fascist in governments they have to jump through hoops to take industrial action. Then can you tell me who is to blame, and why anyone would wish to jump through hoops to take industrial action and lose pay. Then can you tell me what money good old Labour toss around. Lets start with the £37 billion on test and trace.. and PPE on top of the billions wasted on PPE which was unusable because the wankers tossed money at a VIP lane. Which is now clearly verging criminal. Or the ferry contract given to a company that did not even own a rowing boat. Then the billions wasted as the BofE had to intervene to prop up the economy, as pension fund spiralled and will take years to recover. All in a few days. Costing billions to the tax payers and home owners on mortgage rises. Just for starters. What is not bleedin obvious to you. And exactly what are you defending |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 14, 2022 14:47:52 GMT
Not sure what your first sentence means. How can I deny and think its a conspiracy? As to how doctors nurses etc vote, do you have any evidence to support your view or is it just how you think they must vote? Add to this the reasons they are asking for eye watering pay rises this year are well known. Strange that you think they would choose the same crises to secretly band together to destroy the conservative party when there really isn't any need to when Liz Truss did it for them. Further its a strange year to choose to perform their master stroke, surely the year before the election would be the best time? Also, why did they wait 12 years to carry out there evil plans? I don't believe you've given this too much thought, but that's the great thing about conspiracies, you don't need to. You just ask the other guy to prove its not happening. Look I'm not skilled in teaching others 'how to spot the bleeding obvious', it's a well established fact that both civil servants and public sector workers are Labour voters, look at the deal Blair gave to GPs, they now top £120,000 pa, and most people can't even get to see them, the Tories opposed that deal and lost, good old Labour for you, they chuck tax payers money around like confetti.
Both civil servants and public sector workers are highly represented by Labour Unions, are you starting to get it yet?
Why would you bite the hand the feeds you?
It is within civil servants and public sector workers best interests to vote Labour, I'm not sure why you are on a political forum if you think every thing is black and white, try thinking outside the box, it broadens the mind.
Your not that skilled at making persuasive arguments either if you think you just repeating yourself is enough. If its so well known it should be pretty easy for you to show evidence. As for Doctors wages, if they are so good then why are there such shortages that you can't even get to see one? See how you fail to join the dots? Its not that difficult. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 14, 2022 15:07:30 GMT
Look I'm not skilled in teaching others 'how to spot the bleeding obvious', it's a well established fact that both civil servants and public sector workers are Labour voters, look at the deal Blair gave to GPs, they now top £120,000 pa, and most people can't even get to see them, the Tories opposed that deal and lost, good old Labour for you, they chuck tax payers money around like confetti.
Both civil servants and public sector workers are highly represented by Labour Unions, are you starting to get it yet?
Why would you bite the hand the feeds you?
It is within civil servants and public sector workers best interests to vote Labour, I'm not sure why you are on a political forum if you think every thing is black and white, try thinking outside the box, it broadens the mind.
Your not that skilled at making persuasive arguments either if you think you just repeating yourself is enough. If its so well known it should be pretty easy for you to show evidence. As for Doctors wages, if they are so good then why are there such shortages that you can't even get to see one? See how you fail to join the dots? Its not that difficult. GPs have private contracts as well as NHS, they get paid via the NHS regardless to whether they do face-to-face or work part time, they are on a set guaranteed income thanks to Tony Blair, they focus on their private contracts which are mainly care homes and other private establishments, there isn't a shortage of GPs, there's a shortage of GPs who don't want to see NHS patients, just like dentists, when it is far more financially lucrative to concentrate on their private work, knowing they will still get their £120,000 pa because that's the contract Blair let them sign. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 14, 2022 15:25:38 GMT
Your not that skilled at making persuasive arguments either if you think you just repeating yourself is enough. If its so well known it should be pretty easy for you to show evidence. As for Doctors wages, if they are so good then why are there such shortages that you can't even get to see one? See how you fail to join the dots? Its not that difficult. GPs have private contracts as well as NHS, they get paid via the NHS regardless to whether they do face-to-face or work part time, they are on a set guaranteed income thanks to Tony Blair, they focus on their private contracts which are mainly care homes and other private establishments, there isn't a shortage of GPs, there's a shortage of GPs who don't want to see NHS patients, just like dentists, when it is far more financially lucrative to concentrate on their private work, knowing they will still get their £120,000 pa because that's the contract Blair let them sign. This is so far out its not even answerable. www.gponline.com/68-practices-shut-down-following-inadequate-cqc-rating/article/1446000So why aren't people queuing up to be GP's, no work and 120k a year. You're living in cloud cuckoo land. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 14, 2022 15:38:38 GMT
GPs have private contracts as well as NHS, they get paid via the NHS regardless to whether they do face-to-face or work part time, they are on a set guaranteed income thanks to Tony Blair, they focus on their private contracts which are mainly care homes and other private establishments, there isn't a shortage of GPs, there's a shortage of GPs who don't want to see NHS patients, just like dentists, when it is far more financially lucrative to concentrate on their private work, knowing they will still get their £120,000 pa because that's the contract Blair let them sign. This is so far out its not even answerable. www.gponline.com/68-practices-shut-down-following-inadequate-cqc-rating/article/1446000So why aren't people queuing up to be GP's, no work and 120k a year. You're living in cloud cuckoo land. Why don't you give up-to-date data..
31 months from October 2014 to May 2017 (a five year old article)?
It's November 2022 now
And what's the big deal, this happens with carehomes, schools and other establishments that are under performing, this has nothing to do with my last post?
"The CQC said: ‘The strength of our regulatory action is always in proportion to the risk to the safety of patients. When we place a GP practice into special measures, we will re-inspect it within six months".
They even do it with eating establishments.
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