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Post by Bentley on Nov 11, 2022 15:23:46 GMT
So what is it if it’s not water retention then? I have already given a list of possible causes. Did you include eating too much?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2022 17:02:43 GMT
I have already given a list of possible causes. Did you include eating too much? Why? How can you possibly eat too much, your body tells you when to stop, carry on and you will be sick.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 11, 2022 17:17:20 GMT
Did you include eating too much? Why? How can you possibly eat too much, your body tells you when to stop, carry on and you will be sick. You should get a prize for that comment .
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2022 18:08:33 GMT
So what is it if it’s not water retention then? I have already given a list of possible causes. Seriously RedRum. Someone who is 16 stone saying they cannot afford to feed their kids cannot be taken seriously. I recognise there are a number of mental conditions that make people want to eat, but if its a choice between feeding your kids or yourself you don't eat. But the real shame of this is that we have to tell the public that a person living in the 6th richest country in the world can't afford to feed their kids in order to illicit any sympathy. It should be enough to say they don't get a holiday or don't have a laptop. We should not be setting hunger as our base line.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2022 3:17:04 GMT
I have already given a list of possible causes. Seriously RedRum. Someone who is 16 stone saying they cannot afford to feed their kids cannot be taken seriously. I recognise there are a number of mental conditions that make people want to eat, but if its a choice between feeding your kids or yourself you don't eat. But the real shame of this is that we have to tell the public that a person living in the 6th richest country in the world can't afford to feed their kids in order to illicit any sympathy. It should be enough to say they don't get a holiday or don't have a laptop. We should not be setting hunger as our base line. Someone who is 16 stone may quite well have some medical condition that precipitates weight gain. Do you seriously think that a person who looked in the mirror in the morning and saw her/his 'bulk' would claim, in a national arena, that they could not afford to eat? Is it really the case that in the 6th richest country in the world we are defining hunger by some of the terrible scenes in WWII?
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 12, 2022 3:28:01 GMT
Another idiotic assumption from you . You don’t seem to realise that a large pay rise given to everyone would lead to higher taxes and/ or huge government borrowing, higher prices and higher lending rates . Pointing out your ignorance doesn’t equate to me being ignorant . Why is it idiotic to point out that if the wealthiest paid the correct taxes, non-dom status was scrapped, the Tories stopped giving money to their mates, Tory doners were made to pay back the billions the government has given them, parliament did not have subsidised meals and wine, stopped giving giveaways to big business, stopped funding private businesses, dealt with offshore criminality, cash for peerages stopped, got out of the pockets of the Russians....? There would be plenty of money for a decent wage rise for the workers. Yet nowhere in the world does it work like that... The countries with the best public services also have the highest tax burdens (on everybody). Your fairytale "tax the rich" bollocks doesn't work anywhere in the world. Unless you would like to correct me and name a country where it does? Just look at your stupid non-dom idea, they would just live here x amount of days and then you would lose the tax on their UK earnings too lol. Do you actually understand what non-dom is??? It is not a tax dodge, it is deciding WHERE you pay tax on FOREIGN income. No serious economist backs up the £3b Labour claim. They all say the same thing, these very wealthy people will simply live somewhere else rather than risk double taxation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2022 3:39:08 GMT
Why is it idiotic to point out that if the wealthiest paid the correct taxes, non-dom status was scrapped, the Tories stopped giving money to their mates, Tory doners were made to pay back the billions the government has given them, parliament did not have subsidised meals and wine, stopped giving giveaways to big business, stopped funding private businesses, dealt with offshore criminality, cash for peerages stopped, got out of the pockets of the Russians....? There would be plenty of money for a decent wage rise for the workers. Yet nowhere in the world does it work like that... The countries with the best public services also have the highest tax burdens (on everybody). Your fairytale "tax the rich" bollocks doesn't work anywhere in the world. Unless you would like to correct me and name a country where it does? Just look at your stupid non-dom idea, they would just live here x amount of days and then you would lose the tax on their UK earnings too lol. Do you actually understand what non-dom is??? It is not a tax dodge, it is deciding WHERE you pay tax on FOREIGN income. No serious economist backs up the £3b Labour claim. They all say the same thing, these very wealthy people will simply live somewhere else rather than risk double taxation. Is it really a fairy-tale or something we have been told for so long by the wealthy that most people believe it. For every 'economist' that dismisses non-dom status being scrapped there is one that backs the idea.
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 12, 2022 7:36:49 GMT
I for one support the idea of taxing the rich 1-10% a extra 1-5% what I think is reasonable.
And the rich won't leave the country at that rate has I proofen before its a right wing lie to say they will on mass.
has shown when the last labour government at the tax rate for the rich at 50p in the pound not many left the vast majority stayed.
But a stupid rate like 75% like france did lead to the wealthy leaving the country on mass think it was something like 10, 000 left and most took there business with them .
On the other side of the coin making the country a tax haven like some want is a illegal pratice and would lead to despot leaders like some of the Arab world do costing there nations billons .
For the idea of stopping non-dom is in danger of them leaving and also stops the foreign invester from coming to the country w Like the Chinese you come to this country and invest and wish to remain .
But I suppose to stop the rich from leaving whether that be because of a tax increase or stopping a non - dom status.
We could impose a very high leaving tax like America does
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 12, 2022 8:01:07 GMT
Has for stopping handouts for friends for contracts like the Government did on wasted and unsuccessful contracts like the unfit for purpose
PPE has to stop and the company should be made to pay iit back
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 12, 2022 8:03:50 GMT
has shown when the last labour government at the tax rate for the rich at 50p in the pound not many left the vast majority stayed. The last Labour Government had a 50% tax rate for precisely 1 month - for the other 13 years they thought that 40% was the correct level of taxation..
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 12, 2022 8:18:07 GMT
has shown when the last labour government at the tax rate for the rich at 50p in the pound not many left the vast majority stayed. The last Labour Government had a 50% tax rate for precisely 1 month - for the other 13 years they thought that 40% was the correct level of taxation.. That may be but like I said to stop the mega wealthy from leaving we could impose a high level leaving tax like America does
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2022 8:48:30 GMT
has shown when the last labour government at the tax rate for the rich at 50p in the pound not many left the vast majority stayed. The last Labour Government had a 50% tax rate for precisely 1 month - for the other 13 years they thought that 40% was the correct level of taxation.. That's because Blair himself was just another self-servingly rich Tory, of course he thought 40% was enough. He also wanted to try and keep at least some of the wealthy elite-owned media on board, so he gave them an easy ride and a free pass. As Brown himself continued to do until some of the greedier bastards in the banks fucked up the global economy.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2022 10:03:42 GMT
Seriously RedRum. Someone who is 16 stone saying they cannot afford to feed their kids cannot be taken seriously. I recognise there are a number of mental conditions that make people want to eat, but if its a choice between feeding your kids or yourself you don't eat. But the real shame of this is that we have to tell the public that a person living in the 6th richest country in the world can't afford to feed their kids in order to illicit any sympathy. It should be enough to say they don't get a holiday or don't have a laptop. We should not be setting hunger as our base line. Someone who is 16 stone may quite well have some medical condition that precipitates weight gain. Do you seriously think that a person who looked in the mirror in the morning and saw her/his 'bulk' would claim, in a national arena, that they could not afford to eat? Is it really the case that in the 6th richest country in the world we are defining hunger by some of the terrible scenes in WWII? Well I have never seen someone queuing for food in Somalia who is fat. So either they don't suffer from medical conditions that precipitate weight gain, or they can't get enough to eat. I know which one I believe. Well you can choose many fitting descriptions, but I find it sad that we think it Ok for some people not to get basic necessities in the UK. That to justify this we still pretend they all smoke and have Sky TV rather than slightly reduce our own opulent wealth to help them. How does the song go. For you and me its just another day in paradise.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2022 11:04:57 GMT
Another idiotic assumption from you . You don’t seem to realise that a large pay rise given to everyone would lead to higher taxes and/ or huge government borrowing, higher prices and higher lending rates . Pointing out your ignorance doesn’t equate to me being ignorant . Why is it idiotic to point out that if the wealthiest paid the correct taxes, non-dom status was scrapped, the Tories stopped giving money to their mates, Tory doners were made to pay back the billions the government has given them, parliament did not have subsidised meals and wine, stopped giving giveaways to big business, stopped funding private businesses, dealt with offshore criminality, cash for peerages stopped, got out of the pockets of the Russians....? There would be plenty of money for a decent wage rise for the workers. Because you never said it . You simply stated ( after some prompting and in stages ) that everyone should have a large pay rise without posting anything to support your claim or refute the obvious ie that it would result in a huge increase in government spending resulting in higher tax and/ or borrowing, higher prices and high inflation .
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2022 11:09:33 GMT
Seriously RedRum. Someone who is 16 stone saying they cannot afford to feed their kids cannot be taken seriously. I recognise there are a number of mental conditions that make people want to eat, but if its a choice between feeding your kids or yourself you don't eat. But the real shame of this is that we have to tell the public that a person living in the 6th richest country in the world can't afford to feed their kids in order to illicit any sympathy. It should be enough to say they don't get a holiday or don't have a laptop. We should not be setting hunger as our base line. Someone who is 16 stone may quite well have some medical condition that precipitates weight gain. Do you seriously think that a person who looked in the mirror in the morning and saw her/his 'bulk' would claim, in a national arena, that they could not afford to eat? Is it really the case that in the 6th richest country in the world we are defining hunger by some of the terrible scenes in WWII? The idea that people can’t overeat ( which you claimed in an earlier post ) or that people can be obese without either overeating or eating the wrong diet is childish bollocks . As pointed out , where there is real hunger there are no fat people but in a less extreme case but businesses such as ‘ slimming world’ refute this hundreds of thousands of times per week .
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