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Post by Dogburger on Nov 22, 2023 7:55:52 GMT
www.politico.eu/article/netherlands-dutch-election-geert-wilders-far-right-freedom-party/A late surge from the right wing Freedom party led by the once banned from the UK Geert Wilders will be a breath of fresh air across Europe and hopefully a sign of things to come . Having the most votes in Europe though as we have seen in Poland is no guarantee of leadership . The coalitions of the centre left will probably still come out on top . Todays election will be of interest none the less .
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Post by Vinny on Nov 22, 2023 8:38:54 GMT
In the same way that FIFA isn't football, the EU isn't Europe.
What the EU is, is a political equivalent of FIFA.
Monumentally unfit for purpose and in dire need of reform. Reform it would never have got if we'd stayed and still might not now we're out.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 22, 2023 10:14:41 GMT
Politics is not about the good of the people. It's about the good of the elites.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 22, 2023 19:25:07 GMT
www.politico.eu/article/netherlands-dutch-election-geert-wilders-far-right-freedom-party/A late surge from the right wing Freedom party led by the once banned from the UK Geert Wilders will be a breath of fresh air across Europe and hopefully a sign of things to come . Having the most votes in Europe though as we have seen in Poland is no guarantee of leadership . The coalitions of the centre left will probably still come out on top . Todays election will be of interest none the less . This is good news of course, but ultimately the EU will win. By hook or by crook unelected EU bureaucrats will take measures to ensure the bloc survives, no matter what. It doesn't matter how many people don't want or don't like the EU, the EU cant be voted out. As Mikhail Gorbachev said - The most puzzling development in politics is the determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 20:02:47 GMT
www.politico.eu/article/netherlands-dutch-election-geert-wilders-far-right-freedom-party/A late surge from the right wing Freedom party led by the once banned from the UK Geert Wilders will be a breath of fresh air across Europe and hopefully a sign of things to come . Having the most votes in Europe though as we have seen in Poland is no guarantee of leadership . The coalitions of the centre left will probably still come out on top . Todays election will be of interest none the less . This is good news of course, but ultimately the EU will win. By hook or by crook unelected EU bureaucrats will take measures to ensure the bloc survives, no matter what. It doesn't matter how many people don't want or don't like the EU, the EU cant be voted out. As Mikhail Gorbachev said - The most puzzling development in politics is the determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe. If he said that he confirms jonksy idea that it is like an EUSSR. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 23, 2023 4:50:51 GMT
I notice Geert Wilders who the left describe as 'far right' is projected to win 35 of the 150 seats in the Dutch parliament. Perhaps one of the reasons he is so popular is because he plans to ban mosques in the Netherlands and 'curb' asylum. One day the left will look over their shoulder and realise they have no support, they are a minority. Geert Wilders, leader of Freedom Party, is set to win - link |
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Post by wapentake on Nov 23, 2023 7:29:04 GMT
This election mirrors disquiet in the UK too,lack of housing,immigration levels.
One of the facts you cannot escape is the ability and/ or willingness of a country to absorb a large number disparate cultures,
The UK has over many years successfully done that with many waves of immigration,I can’t say that electing far right (or left) is good for any country but if you ignore or impose on people that can happen and as a political entity the eu does that and Westminster here too which can open the door to extremism.
I can’t say I would support banning mosques here though I’ve made clear my disdain for Stone Age religions like Islam ,mosques and any other religious places should be monitored for extremist preachers or attempts to alter the laws and mores of the host cultures detriment.
We are nominally a Christian country but I would boot out the lords spiritual from the HoL,I would also ban any religious based schools too including CofE and catholic .
Schools are there to educate not indoctrinate and for similar reasons I would also ban the new religion of gender bending,it’s ok to teach tolerance of all but ramming religion or social experiments is not.
I suppose I’ve gone a bit off topic here but such events in another country closely mirror problems in ours, if an attempt is made to force mass migration on people where they cannot be absorbed in to the host nation successfully then people will turn to extremists and that’s a route in the worst scenario that led to Jews and other minorities being sent to camps and murdered.
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Post by bancroft on Nov 23, 2023 8:17:08 GMT
Very interesting I have long suspected a political change in the Netherlands as like England they were the most congested country in the EU.
To think only a short while ago universities here were banning him from making speeches.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 10:17:20 GMT
Sadiq Khan is unhappy. Who knew he would dislike an anti-Islamist candidate who has been living in a safe house because of threats?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 10:48:12 GMT
www.politico.eu/article/netherlands-dutch-election-geert-wilders-far-right-freedom-party/A late surge from the right wing Freedom party led by the once banned from the UK Geert Wilders will be a breath of fresh air across Europe and hopefully a sign of things to come . Having the most votes in Europe though as we have seen in Poland is no guarantee of leadership . The coalitions of the centre left will probably still come out on top . Todays election will be of interest none the less . Meanwhile in the real world - There is very little interest in a referendum on EU membership in The Netherlands, and the population there is overwhelmingly pro-European. Mr Wilders will in actual fact end up with less than 25% of the seats in Parliament, and he would not be able to push through a referendum even if he wanted to. It is also worth remembering that the only reason Mr Wilders did as well as he did, is because he moderated his language, dropped many of his promises, such as banning The Quoran and banning Mosques - probably because he cant do such things anyway. The important thing now is who is going to govern ? ... it might be Mr Wilders, but he will have restraints put on him by anyone who might decide to negotiate with him. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 23, 2023 10:52:56 GMT
Seeing as they haven't been asked, you don't know.
Polls are worthless, you can produce any result you like with the right questions.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 23, 2023 11:09:00 GMT
Ok, the PVV have won 37 seats out of 150.
Nobody else has come close.
The PVV should be the ones to form a government, they are the clear winners.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 23, 2023 11:34:52 GMT
There's nothing in this election result to suggest that the Dutch have had enough of Europe.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 23, 2023 12:01:44 GMT
The EU isn't Europe.
But, with 25% of the vote, it's laughable to suggest a mandate for quitting the EU, or staying in.
That's a matter for a referendum.
But, the Dutch have elected Mr Wilders a very well known secular liberal.
Interesting to see what happens.
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Post by bancroft on Nov 23, 2023 13:42:50 GMT
Ok, the PVV have won 37 seats out of 150. Nobody else has come close. The PVV should be the ones to form a government, they are the clear winners. To rule he needs a coalition of a minimum of a 76 seats about double what he has now. He is willing to compromise so think he will be able to form a coalition, would expect the BBB with 8 seats and the anti-corruption leader with 20+ to come to a deal that would take him to about 65+ so think he would also need support from some of the smaller parties. |
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