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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 24, 2023 13:32:43 GMT
www.politico.eu/article/netherlands-dutch-election-geert-wilders-far-right-freedom-party/A late surge from the right wing Freedom party led by the once banned from the UK Geert Wilders will be a breath of fresh air across Europe and hopefully a sign of things to come . Having the most votes in Europe though as we have seen in Poland is no guarantee of leadership . The coalitions of the centre left will probably still come out on top . Todays election will be of interest none the less . Meanwhile in the real world - There is very little interest in a referendum on EU membership in The Netherlands, and the population there is overwhelmingly pro-European. Mr Wilders will in actual fact end up with less than 25% of the seats in Parliament, and he would not be able to push through a referendum even if he wanted to. It is also worth remembering that the only reason Mr Wilders did as well as he did, is because he moderated his language, dropped many of his promises, such as banning The Quoran and banning Mosques - probably because he cant do such things anyway. The important thing now is who is going to govern ? ... it might be Mr Wilders, but he will have restraints put on him by anyone who might decide to negotiate with him. As little as 12 months ago the pro EU left would have laughed at anyone who suggested that Wilders would become prime minister. Yet here we are, he is about to become the Dutch prime minister and the main reason he is about to become prime minister is because the Dutch people are sick of immigration. Sadly the reason it will likely take months to form a Dutch government is because like all EU states, they use PR, a system the EU favour because it's almost impossible for any government who use PR to leave the EU. And don't for a moment think a referendum is impossible - link |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 24, 2023 13:35:36 GMT
Meanwhile in the real world - There is very little interest in a referendum on EU membership in The Netherlands, and the population there is overwhelmingly pro-European. Mr Wilders will in actual fact end up with less than 25% of the seats in Parliament, and he would not be able to push through a referendum even if he wanted to. It is also worth remembering that the only reason Mr Wilders did as well as he did, is because he moderated his language, dropped many of his promises, such as banning The Quoran and banning Mosques - probably because he cant do such things anyway. The important thing now is who is going to govern ? ... it might be Mr Wilders, but he will have restraints put on him by anyone who might decide to negotiate with him. As little as 12 months ago the pro EU left would have laughed at anyone who suggested that Wilders would become prime minister. Yet here we are, he is about to become the Dutch prime minister and the main reason he is about to become prime minister is because the Dutch people are sick of immigration. Sadly the reason it will likely take months to form a Dutch government is because like all EU states, they use PR, a system the EU favour because it's almost impossible for any government who use PR to leave the EU. And don't for a moment think a referendum is impossible - link75% of the Dutch electorate didn't vote for him. It's absurd to say that his agenda has popular support. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 24, 2023 13:46:26 GMT
As little as 12 months ago the pro EU left would have laughed at anyone who suggested that Wilders would become prime minister. Yet here we are, he is about to become the Dutch prime minister and the main reason he is about to become prime minister is because the Dutch people are sick of immigration. Sadly the reason it will likely take months to form a Dutch government is because like all EU states, they use PR, a system the EU favour because it's almost impossible for any government who use PR to leave the EU. And don't for a moment think a referendum is impossible - link75% of the Dutch electorate didn't vote for him. It's absurd to say that his agenda has popular support. Who said his agenda has popular support? The EU and Europhiles are pro PR. The reason Wilders is, or shortly will be PM is because of PR.  |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 24, 2023 14:05:17 GMT
75% of the Dutch electorate didn't vote for him. It's absurd to say that his agenda has popular support. Who said his agenda has popular support? The EU and Europhiles are pro PR. The reason Wilders is, or shortly will be PM is because of PR. The thread title says he has popular support. Duh! The populists are pro-PR, too. He may become PM. That remains to be seen. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 24, 2023 14:17:49 GMT
Who said his agenda has popular support? The EU and Europhiles are pro PR. The reason Wilders is, or shortly will be PM is because of PR. The thread title says he has popular support. Duh! The populists are pro-PR, too. He may become PM. That remains to be seen. The thread title does not say he has popular support, and even if it did you weren't responding to the thread title or the OP. Now in future get your carer to vet your posts before hitting the send button. Now, I have adults to speak to so run along there's a good girl. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 24, 2023 14:19:11 GMT
The thread title says he has popular support. Duh! The populists are pro-PR, too. He may become PM. That remains to be seen. The thread title does not say he has popular support, and even if it did you weren't responding to the thread title or the OP. Now in future get your carer to vet your posts before hitting the send button. Now, I have adults to speak to so run along there's a good girl. Really? What do you take the words 'the Dutch' to mean? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 24, 2023 14:20:19 GMT
The thread title does not say he has popular support, and even if it did you weren't responding to the thread title or the OP. Now in future get your carer to vet your posts before hitting the send button. Now, I have adults to speak to so run along there's a good girl. Really? What do you take the words 'the Dutch' to mean? OK this is a longshot, people from Holland? |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 24, 2023 14:21:11 GMT
Really? What do you take the words 'the Dutch' to mean? OK this is a longshot, people from Holland? Yeah, the people of Holland. That's what it means, Red. Duh! |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 24, 2023 14:22:31 GMT
OK this is a longshot, people from Holland? Yeah, the people of Holland. That's what it means, Red. Duh! LOL... ...bored. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 24, 2023 14:24:00 GMT
Yeah, the people of Holland. That's what it means, Red. Duh! LOL... ...bored. Progress, then. |
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Post by vlk on Nov 24, 2023 17:13:46 GMT
The Dutch main parties didn't really play their cards very well as things went that way that an election had to be called 18 months in advance.
Now when PVV got 24% of the votes the Dutch can either sideline them, which means that next time they'll get 35% or they can let them govern when the realities of running a country will diminish their support when people find out that they don't have any magic answer to the country's problems either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 19:11:33 GMT
Yeah, the people of Holland. That's what it means, Red. Duh! LOL... ...bored. I suppose we have to indulge them. All forums have them. If only trolls would get back under the Herengracht bridges. Then we could talk about Geert Wilders, who won the election. Some people are triggered by this and revert to type and try to destroy the thread. I'll await the Dutch Auction of horse trading and see how it goes. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 26, 2023 10:02:56 GMT
Meanwhile in the real world - There is very little interest in a referendum on EU membership in The Netherlands, and the population there is overwhelmingly pro-European. Mr Wilders will in actual fact end up with less than 25% of the seats in Parliament, and he would not be able to push through a referendum even if he wanted to. It is also worth remembering that the only reason Mr Wilders did as well as he did, is because he moderated his language, dropped many of his promises, such as banning The Quoran and banning Mosques - probably because he cant do such things anyway. The important thing now is who is going to govern ? ... it might be Mr Wilders, but he will have restraints put on him by anyone who might decide to negotiate with him. As little as 12 months ago the pro EU left would have laughed at anyone who suggested that Wilders would become prime minister. Yet here we are, he is about to become the Dutch prime minister and the main reason he is about to become prime minister is because the Dutch people are sick of immigration. Sadly the reason it will likely take months to form a Dutch government is because like all EU states, they use PR, a system the EU favour because it's almost impossible for any government who use PR to leave the EU. And don't for a moment think a referendum is impossible - linkThe reasons migrants move and to where has nothing to do with the EU. Those who choose to displace themselves dont give a toss about whether the goal is in the EU or not. They came before Brexit and they come in even larger numbers when you are not. The EU cannot influence the places they come from. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 26, 2023 10:10:33 GMT
Really? What do you take the words 'the Dutch' to mean? OK this is a longshot, people from Holland? Sorry to be an arse, but Wilders is from Utrecht, which is not part of Holland. Dutch means anyone from the Netherlands. Treating all cloggies as if they're from Holland is like treating the Welsh as if they're English. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 26, 2023 11:30:44 GMT
As little as 12 months ago the pro EU left would have laughed at anyone who suggested that Wilders would become prime minister. Yet here we are, he is about to become the Dutch prime minister and the main reason he is about to become prime minister is because the Dutch people are sick of immigration. Sadly the reason it will likely take months to form a Dutch government is because like all EU states, they use PR, a system the EU favour because it's almost impossible for any government who use PR to leave the EU. And don't for a moment think a referendum is impossible - linkThe reasons migrants move and to where has nothing to do with the EU. Don't talk bloody rubbish, Christ how many times must we go over old ground? In 2008 and 2009 the EU opened job centres in Africa and Merkel in particular was very vocal in her support for African migration. That is until the unelected monstrosity realised their African migrant policy was rapidly turning into an uncontrollable flood. The EU is 100% to blame for the European migrant crisis. |
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