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Post by vlk on Nov 23, 2023 13:43:53 GMT
The Netherlands is often used as an example when making an argument against PR electoral system.
It takes months and months to form a government which is a house of cards anyway.
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Post by bancroft on Nov 23, 2023 13:47:02 GMT
The Netherlands is often used as an example when making an argument against PR electoral system. It takes months and months to form a government which is a house of cards anyway. Yes with the horse trading to follow it could take some time yet the Left could get higher numbers faster through more natural coalitions so think the pressure will build to get something done faster than normal. Not a good advert for PR. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 23, 2023 14:31:23 GMT
The EU isn't Europe. But, with 25% of the vote, it's laughable to suggest a mandate for quitting the EU, or staying in. That's a matter for a referendum. But, the Dutch have elected Mr Wilders a very well known secular liberal. Interesting to see what happens. Be even more interesting to see if the UK government will let him in next time. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 23, 2023 15:32:29 GMT
Back when he was not allowed in, Lord Pearson of Rannoch was UKIP Leader and Gordon Brown was PM.
Times have changed.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 23, 2023 17:06:09 GMT
Funny to think that Mr Wilders has Hamas to thank for his victory. After Hamas attacked Israel support for Wilders doubled when the voters saw the pro-Hamas protests across Europe - they were (rightly) horrified by the calls for Jihad and Violence by groups who had no intent on integrating into a progressive european society.
The protests over the last few weeks have energised support for those parties demanding tougher migration restrictions and border controls - the failure of the multi-ethnic society is laid bare now for all to see.
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Post by wapentake on Nov 23, 2023 18:54:08 GMT
www.politico.eu/article/netherlands-dutch-election-geert-wilders-far-right-freedom-party/A late surge from the right wing Freedom party led by the once banned from the UK Geert Wilders will be a breath of fresh air across Europe and hopefully a sign of things to come . Having the most votes in Europe though as we have seen in Poland is no guarantee of leadership . The coalitions of the centre left will probably still come out on top . Todays election will be of interest none the less . This is good news of course, but ultimately the EU will win. By hook or by crook unelected EU bureaucrats will take measures to ensure the bloc survives, no matter what. It doesn't matter how many people don't want or don't like the EU, the EU cant be voted out. As Mikhail Gorbachev said - The most puzzling development in politics is the determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe. I doubt the Ukraine will see this as good news,Wilders wants the Ukranian refugees gone and all military aid to the Ukraine cut completely. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 23, 2023 18:55:21 GMT
www.politico.eu/article/netherlands-dutch-election-geert-wilders-far-right-freedom-party/A late surge from the right wing Freedom party led by the once banned from the UK Geert Wilders will be a breath of fresh air across Europe and hopefully a sign of things to come . Having the most votes in Europe though as we have seen in Poland is no guarantee of leadership . The coalitions of the centre left will probably still come out on top . Todays election will be of interest none the less . What percentage voted for this party? Does it have leaving the EU as part of its manifesto? I'm concerned this thread might be as fake as your EU Vote for More EU thread (Nothing of the sort happened). |
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Post by Dogburger on Nov 23, 2023 19:30:41 GMT
www.politico.eu/article/netherlands-dutch-election-geert-wilders-far-right-freedom-party/A late surge from the right wing Freedom party led by the once banned from the UK Geert Wilders will be a breath of fresh air across Europe and hopefully a sign of things to come . Having the most votes in Europe though as we have seen in Poland is no guarantee of leadership . The coalitions of the centre left will probably still come out on top . Todays election will be of interest none the less . What percentage voted for this party? Does it have leaving the EU as part of its manifesto? I'm concerned this thread might be as fake as your EU Vote for More EU thread (Nothing of the sort happened). A bigger percentage than any other . I believe it has a referendum as part of its manifesto |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 23, 2023 19:44:32 GMT
What percentage voted for this party? Does it have leaving the EU as part of its manifesto? I'm concerned this thread might be as fake as your EU Vote for More EU thread (Nothing of the sort happened). A bigger percentage than any other . I believe it has a referendum as part of its manifesto If they got 25% of the vote share, that could be bigger than any other party in a country with a proportional representation system. So, what percentage did they get? And if they got less than 50%, what warrant is there to say that 'the Dutch' have had enough of Europe. That's completely misleading. It would be more accurate to say that a minority of Dutch people have had enough of Europe. Or, you could have put it another way and said that the majority of Dutch people support the EU project. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 23, 2023 21:17:33 GMT
There's nothing in this election result to suggest that the Dutch have had enough of Europe. The OP confuses or maybe mixes together, maybe deliberately, maybe not, the land mass and its separate nation states, and the abomination that has arisen from the mutation of what the Netherlands signed up to in the year of my birth. Wilders is a serious Nexit Man but it seems unlikely he would win the necessary popular support to implement it. But something has clearly caused him to lead the party with tbe largest number of seats in the country Who knows what reason put him there. What matters is what he and others do now. I forsee a lot of Dutch speakers on tbe french coastline looking for a rubber boat |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 23, 2023 21:18:51 GMT
www.politico.eu/article/netherlands-dutch-election-geert-wilders-far-right-freedom-party/A late surge from the right wing Freedom party led by the once banned from the UK Geert Wilders will be a breath of fresh air across Europe and hopefully a sign of things to come . Having the most votes in Europe though as we have seen in Poland is no guarantee of leadership . The coalitions of the centre left will probably still come out on top . Todays election will be of interest none the less . What percentage voted for this party? Does it have leaving the EU as part of its manifesto? I'm concerned this thread might be as fake as your EU Vote for More EU thread (Nothing of the sort happened). enough to give it the largest number of seats in the chamber, and yes it does |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 23, 2023 21:21:10 GMT
What percentage voted for this party? Does it have leaving the EU as part of its manifesto? I'm concerned this thread might be as fake as your EU Vote for More EU thread (Nothing of the sort happened). enough to give it the largest number of seats in the chamber, and yes it does What percentage? Surely, that party would have to represent at least 51% of the population before it could be said that 'the Dutch' have had enough of Europe. Fair enough if you want to say that a minority of Dutch people feel that way. Can you provide a link to their manifesto promise to hold a referendum on EU membership? |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 23, 2023 21:36:57 GMT
Funny to think that Mr Wilders has Hamas to thank for his victory. After Hamas attacked Israel support for Wilders doubled when the voters saw the pro-Hamas protests across Europe - they were (rightly) horrified by the calls for Jihad and Violence by groups who had no intent on integrating into a progressive european society. The protests over the last few weeks have energised support for those parties demanding tougher migration restrictions and border controls - the failure of the multi-ethnic society is laid bare now for all to see. I doubt it he purposely played down his anti-Islam stance and instead stuck with immigration and migration with offering a referendum on EU membership, he will still need a partner to get overall control. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 23, 2023 21:40:39 GMT
enough to give it the largest number of seats in the chamber, and yes it does What percentage? Surely, that party would have to represent at least 51% of the population before it could be said that 'the Dutch' have had enough of Europe. Fair enough if you want to say that a minority of Dutch people feel that way. Can you provide a link to their manifesto promise to hold a referendum on EU membership? If people didn't steal women's knickers from washing lines the wouldn't get them in a twist. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 23, 2023 22:28:24 GMT
What percentage? Surely, that party would have to represent at least 51% of the population before it could be said that 'the Dutch' have had enough of Europe. Fair enough if you want to say that a minority of Dutch people feel that way. Can you provide a link to their manifesto promise to hold a referendum on EU membership? If people didn't steal women's knickers from washing lines the wouldn't get them in a twist. True dat. I'm still unsure why Dogburger thinks winning 37 seats out of 150 translates into the will of the Dutch people. |
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