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Post by oracle75 on Nov 20, 2023 16:16:58 GMT
Your nonsense that there are 27 EU states but not 27 EU countries. When you can describe the difference between a state and a country, get back to me. A country, such as the UK, is independent and sovereign - See EU Withdrawal Act. An EU state is not sovereign or independent - See Primacy of EU law. It must be said oracle, you do come across as a typical Europhile inasmuch, you don't appear know much about it. Except that the EU doesnt have states. The USA has states. There is no such thing except your semantics that is an EU STATE. The primacy of the EU ONLY applies to laws which have gone through the EU legislative and democratic process. The UK used to have a raft of opt outs...more than any other member. That is why the EU has no legitimacy over your education, pension and benefit system, even which side of the road you drive on. Your income tax, investments at all level from your savings rates to major corporations (bank of england sets your interest rates), your bizarre legislative process and house of lords appointments including Russian oligharch family and Bishops, nor your laws on human rights or asylum. I could go on but i hope even you dont need even more examples. Now please tell me the difference between a state and a nation, if you can. Using proper teal English, not your own definitions. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 20, 2023 16:21:43 GMT
IT WAS AGREED DEMOCRATICALLY BY AT LEAST TWO DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED LEGISLATIVE BODIES. jezus It is like talking to a cement wall. I see, is this why Poland are facing a €600 million fine? Yes. In the same way your country sets a speed limit and you pay a fine when you are caught breaking it. You do understand the will of the majoriry, I assume. Course I dont remember anyone voting in the UK to pay France tens of millions to take back their migrants. But that is what is and has been happening. Not to mention paying Rwanda to take some too. Pity. If you had stayed in the EU it wouldnt have cost you a penny. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 20, 2023 16:30:53 GMT
I don't know where the €600 million figure comes from but you can find full details of the EU's Infringement Action against Poland (and Hungary and the Czech Republic) here. These sorts of myths and misinformation come from the populist media because idiots are easily fooled when they have to pretend their cause isnt lost. Unfortunatrly they also believe that illegalities only happen "on the other side" and that , recently, inflation has been halved but prices havent gone down. That this is normal. And dont use fuel as proof. The price of fuel has dropped everywhere. You lot do make me laugh. The doublethink is astounding. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 20, 2023 16:36:46 GMT
A country, such as the UK, is independent and sovereign - See EU Withdrawal Act. An EU state is not sovereign or independent - See Primacy of EU law. It must be said oracle, you do come across as a typical Europhile inasmuch, you don't appear know much about it. Except that the EU doesnt have states. The USA has states. There is no such thing except your semantics that is an EU STATE. The primacy of the EU ONLY applies to laws which have gone through the EU legislative and democratic process. The UK used to have a raft of opt outs...more than any other member. That is why the EU has no legitimacy over your education, pension and benefit system, even which side of the road you drive on. Your income tax, investments at all level from your savings rates to major corporations (bank of england sets your interest rates), your bizarre legislative process and house of lords appointments including Russian oligharch family and Bishops, nor your laws on human rights or asylum. I could go on but i hope even you dont need even more examples. Now please tell me the difference between a state and a nation, if you can. Using proper teal English, not your own definitions. The European Union (EU) is a political union of 27 member states - link The principle of European Union (EU) law - where a conflict arises between EU law and law in an EU Member State EU law will prevail - link |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 20, 2023 16:41:46 GMT
I see, is this why Poland are facing a €600 million fine? Yes. In the same way your country sets a speed limit and you pay a fine when you are caught breaking it. You do understand the will of the majoriry, I assume. Course I dont remember anyone voting in the UK to pay France tens of millions to take back their migrants. But that is what is and has been happening. Not to mention paying Rwanda to take some too. Pity. If you had stayed in the EU it wouldnt have cost you a penny. Oh for Christs sake stop it. You are attempting to conflate EU law with national law. If you live in an EU state EU law has precedence because EU states are governed from Brussels. Come on oracle this aint rocket science. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 20, 2023 18:09:45 GMT
No.
YOU are conflating them.
Once again beczuse i am an optimist.
EU LAW TAKES PRIORITY ONLY WHEN THE LAW WAS PASSED IN THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.
Ahuhe percentage of national law is not affected by EU law. I gzve you some examples.
And i am still waiting for the difference between a state and a country.
Why am i having to repeat myself?
It doesnt matter how you dont know whzt you are talking abour and choose instead to believe one of the many lies you were fed.
The truth is the truth regardless of you.
Your choice is whether you want to live in the real world or one someone else has created for you.
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 20, 2023 18:17:55 GMT
Except that the EU doesnt have states. The USA has states. There is no such thing except your semantics that is an EU STATE. The primacy of the EU ONLY applies to laws which have gone through the EU legislative and democratic process. The UK used to have a raft of opt outs...more than any other member. That is why the EU has no legitimacy over your education, pension and benefit system, even which side of the road you drive on. Your income tax, investments at all level from your savings rates to major corporations (bank of england sets your interest rates), your bizarre legislative process and house of lords appointments including Russian oligharch family and Bishops, nor your laws on human rights or asylum. I could go on but i hope even you dont need even more examples. Now please tell me the difference between a state and a nation, if you can. Using proper teal English, not your own definitions. The European Union (EU) is a political union of 27 member states - link The principle of European Union (EU) law - where a conflict arises between EU law and law in an EU Member State EU law will prevail - link Precisely. There has to have been a law passed by the due EU process in order to have a conflict. The due process requires three democratic votes...parliament, individual approval and the leaders of the members, all democratically elected. The laws in question are usually health and safety, product quality, legalities of origin of products, workers rights, data sharing, qualification recognition and about smuggling and cudtoms identification. I am surprised you have such a virulent objection to personal and trade protection. Which is not at all what you said. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 21, 2023 11:03:31 GMT
According to a report in the Guardian charities and NGOs proving migrant support in the Pas de Calais and Dunkirk regions are warning that living conditions are now 'catastrophic' owing to a combination of bad weather and lack of French government support for the several thousand camping out in the area awaiting transport to England.
"Axel Gaudinat of Utopia 56 warned that asylum seekers in Calais and Dunkirk were at risk of death because living conditions had never been as dire and dangerous as they are now.
He told the Guardian that the combination of unprecedented numbers in northern France at the moment – about 2,000 in Calais and 1,500 in Dunkirk – along with the stormy weather and failure of the French government to provide enough basic shelter for lone children, pregnant women and families was a disaster waiting to happen."
Surely there must be plenty of 3- and 4-star hotels in the area that could be commandeered to resolve this crisis. What would Rishi do?
Maybe the EU shouldn't funnel them towards the UK? Maybe the EU should police its borders better? Why's it our problem? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 21, 2023 11:06:09 GMT
What makes you think that the 'EU' funnels them towards the UK rather than them doing that of their own accord?
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Post by sandypine on Nov 21, 2023 19:52:19 GMT
Neither France or any other EU country has a responsibility to provide anything for those with no affiliation to France oe any state they are in. They have no claim to any help from France since they have no papers proving right of residence, tax records or even an address. They dont even belong under the umbrella of EU agreed protection. The only thing they have a right to is urgent medical care. Responsibility starts with a claim for asylum. Then the UK has no obligation or responsibility either for the camps in France and any squalor or dangerous conditions, |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 22, 2023 15:50:31 GMT
Neither France or any other EU country has a responsibility to provide anything for those with no affiliation to France oe any state they are in. They have no claim to any help from France since they have no papers proving right of residence, tax records or even an address. They dont even belong under the umbrella of EU agreed protection. The only thing they have a right to is urgent medical care. Responsibility starts with a claim for asylum. Then the UK has no obligation or responsibility either for the camps in France and any squalor or dangerous conditions, Indeed not. No one has suggested it. Or paid into it. If the UK did, you have a legitimate complaint. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 22, 2023 15:54:22 GMT
According to a report in the Guardian charities and NGOs proving migrant support in the Pas de Calais and Dunkirk regions are warning that living conditions are now 'catastrophic' owing to a combination of bad weather and lack of French government support for the several thousand camping out in the area awaiting transport to England.
"Axel Gaudinat of Utopia 56 warned that asylum seekers in Calais and Dunkirk were at risk of death because living conditions had never been as dire and dangerous as they are now.
He told the Guardian that the combination of unprecedented numbers in northern France at the moment – about 2,000 in Calais and 1,500 in Dunkirk – along with the stormy weather and failure of the French government to provide enough basic shelter for lone children, pregnant women and families was a disaster waiting to happen."
Surely there must be plenty of 3- and 4-star hotels in the area that could be commandeered to resolve this crisis. What would Rishi do?
Maybe the EU shouldn't funnel them towards the UK? Maybe the EU should police its borders better? Why's it our problem? BECAUSE THAT WAS WHY MILLIONS OF BRITS VOTED FOR BREXIT. Control your own borders. The EU does not help control your borders. It used to when you were a member but you voted to leave the community. JEEZUS Vinny. You couldnt be so thick. And it has been discussed before. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 22, 2023 16:50:17 GMT
The EU does not help control your borders. It used to when you were a member... No it didn't - that was no different when we were members. Indeed it was worse since we also had to contend with thousands of European criminals entering under FOM. You couldnt be so thick. And it has been discussed before. Yes it has and yet you're so thick that it has to be repeated time and again. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 22, 2023 19:07:51 GMT
Then the UK has no obligation or responsibility either for the camps in France and any squalor or dangerous conditions, Indeed not. No one has suggested it. Or paid into it. If the UK did, you have a legitimate complaint. Then I am not clear what the charities are trying to say and do as regards their Guardian article. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 22, 2023 19:09:55 GMT
Maybe the EU shouldn't funnel them towards the UK? Maybe the EU should police its borders better? Why's it our problem? BECAUSE THAT WAS WHY MILLIONS OF BRITS VOTED FOR BREXIT. Control your own borders. The EU does not help control your borders. It used to when you were a member but you voted to leave the community. JEEZUS Vinny. You couldnt be so thick. And it has been discussed before. It seems the EU is incapable of protecting its Southern border and all the borders in between the consequences of which are eventually visited upon the UK. |
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