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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 19, 2023 14:01:26 GMT
EU 'migrant quotas' refer to migrants that had already been admitted to the EU by other member states during the 2015-16 'refugee crisis' period.
Rightly or wrongly (wrongly in my view) the Council of Ministers voted to do this a number of years ago in the spirit of 'burden sharing', and at the time Poland agreed to go along with the plan but subsequently reneged. That is why the EU is taking action against it (again, wrongly, in my view).
But nobody is imposing 'migrant quotas' on any EU member state in the sense of telling them how many they can admit from outside the EU. It is entirely their business who they admit and how many of them.
Again, in my view that is one of the principal weaknesses of the EU, that there is no centralised European-level control or overview of how many migrants a country admits. If there had been it's quite likely the UK would have many fewer third worlders in its population than it has ended up with.
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 19, 2023 15:43:06 GMT
Neither France or any other EU country has a responsibility to provide anything for those with no affiliation to France oe any state they are in. They have no claim to any help from France since they have no papers proving right of residence, tax records or even an address. They dont even belong under the umbrella of EU agreed protection. The only thing they have a right to is urgent medical care. Responsibility starts with a claim for asylum. There is no such thing as an 'EU country'. Countries are independent and sovereign (See UK). There are 27 'EU states' which are governed from Brussels, these states are not independent or sovereign (See Primacy of EU law). Ref illegal immigrants. Are you aware that the EU force boats back to Libya but ignore boats leaving the EU state of France bound for England? There is no such thing as an EU country but there are 27 EU states? And then you mention the EU state of France?? I'd stay off the kool-aid if I were you. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 19, 2023 15:47:22 GMT
EU law is not relevant in matters relating to immigration and asylum; these remain the prerogative of member states. I think you've been told this before, quite a few times now. The EU force member states to accept migrant quotas and impose fines of €20,000 for each migrant they refuse to accept. I believe Poland is refusing to pay and is facing a €600 million fine. I have mentioned this a few times now. The EU parliament and council agreed to ASK nations to help. Not force. What are you doing if not advocating that France takes back your problem? Including paying them for helping you out. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 19, 2023 15:58:45 GMT
EU 'migrant quotas' refer to migrants that had already been admitted to the EU by other member states during the 2015-16 'refugee crisis' period. Rightly or wrongly (wrongly in my view) the Council of Ministers voted to do this a number of years ago in the spirit of 'burden sharing', and at the time Poland agreed to go along with the plan but subsequently reneged. That is why the EU is taking action against it (again, wrongly, in my view). But nobody is imposing 'migrant quotas' on any EU member state in the sense of telling them how many they can admit from outside the EU. It is entirely their business who they admit and how many of them. Again, in my view that is one of the principal weaknesses of the EU, that there is no centralised European-level control or overview of how many migrants a country admits. If there had been it's quite likely the UK would have many fewer third worlders in its population than it has ended up with. So you dont like sovereignty, independent national choice, unless it helps your cause. TBack then when the migrant crisis started and the EU asked for volunteer community dispersal to help Italy and Greece, the UK staunchly refused. It wouldnt matter now anyway. You voted out any plan or agreement within the EU and decided to control your own borders...but didnt realise even though you were told,, that this does NOT mean you can ignore international law. Just one more lie. I had to laugh last week when someone was spitting furiously down the phone because brexit had promised the UK could defend its borders from the great unwashed and now he discovers something called the UN, and the European Court of Human Rights. Fecking idiot, typical right wing racist xenophobic political fodder. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 19, 2023 19:10:22 GMT
The EU force member states to accept migrant quotas and impose fines of €20,000 for each migrant they refuse to accept. I believe Poland is refusing to pay and is facing a €600 million fine. I have mentioned this a few times now. The EU parliament and council agreed to ASK nations to help. Not force. What are you doing if not advocating that France takes back your problem? Including paying them for helping you out. You're away with the EU fairies. The EU are imposing fines on EU states that refuse to accept EU migrant quotas. You see that as "asking nations to help"! fair enough lol. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 19, 2023 19:13:44 GMT
There is no such thing as an 'EU country'. Countries are independent and sovereign (See UK). There are 27 'EU states' which are governed from Brussels, these states are not independent or sovereign (See Primacy of EU law). Ref illegal immigrants. Are you aware that the EU force boats back to Libya but ignore boats leaving the EU state of France bound for England? There is no such thing as an EU country but there are 27 EU states? And then you mention the EU state of France?? I'd stay off the kool-aid if I were you. Not sure I follow? There are 27 EU states, I assume you agree? One of which is called France, again I assume you agree. Assuming my assumptions are correct, what are you blathering about? |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 20, 2023 9:38:54 GMT
There is no such thing as an EU country but there are 27 EU states? And then you mention the EU state of France?? I'd stay off the kool-aid if I were you. Not sure I follow? There are 27 EU states, I assume you agree? One of which is called France, again I assume you agree. Assuming my assumptions are correct, what are you blathering about? Your nonsense that there are 27 EU states but not 27 EU countries. When you can describe the difference between a state and a country, get back to me. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 20, 2023 9:41:14 GMT
EU law is not relevant in matters relating to immigration and asylum; these remain the prerogative of member states. I think you've been told this before, quite a few times now. The EU force member states to accept migrant quotas and impose fines of €20,000 for each migrant they refuse to accept. I believe Poland is refusing to pay and is facing a €600 million fine. I have mentioned this a few times now. IT WAS AGREED DEMOCRATICALLY BY AT LEAST TWO DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED LEGISLATIVE BODIES. jezus It is like talking to a cement wall. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 20, 2023 10:33:53 GMT
Not sure I follow? There are 27 EU states, I assume you agree? One of which is called France, again I assume you agree. Assuming my assumptions are correct, what are you blathering about? Your nonsense that there are 27 EU states but not 27 EU countries. When you can describe the difference between a state and a country, get back to me. A country, such as the UK, is independent and sovereign - See EU Withdrawal Act. An EU state is not sovereign or independent - See Primacy of EU law. It must be said oracle, you do come across as a typical Europhile inasmuch, you don't appear know much about it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 20, 2023 10:35:19 GMT
The EU force member states to accept migrant quotas and impose fines of €20,000 for each migrant they refuse to accept. I believe Poland is refusing to pay and is facing a €600 million fine. I have mentioned this a few times now. IT WAS AGREED DEMOCRATICALLY BY AT LEAST TWO DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED LEGISLATIVE BODIES. jezus It is like talking to a cement wall. I see, is this why Poland are facing a €600 million fine? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 20, 2023 12:10:31 GMT
I don't know where the €600 million figure comes from but you can find full details of the EU's Infringement Action against Poland (and Hungary and the Czech Republic) here. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 20, 2023 12:45:33 GMT
According to a report in the Guardian charities and NGOs proving migrant support in the Pas de Calais and Dunkirk regions are warning that living conditions are now 'catastrophic' owing to a combination of bad weather and lack of French government support for the several thousand camping out in the area awaiting transport to England.
"Axel Gaudinat of Utopia 56 warned that asylum seekers in Calais and Dunkirk were at risk of death because living conditions had never been as dire and dangerous as they are now.
He told the Guardian that the combination of unprecedented numbers in northern France at the moment – about 2,000 in Calais and 1,500 in Dunkirk – along with the stormy weather and failure of the French government to provide enough basic shelter for lone children, pregnant women and families was a disaster waiting to happen."
Surely there must be plenty of 3- and 4-star hotels in the area that could be commandeered to resolve this crisis. What would Rishi do?
Your beloved EU and France are failing. Aren't they? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 20, 2023 15:30:41 GMT
I don't know where the €600 million figure comes from but you can find full details of the EU's Infringement Action against Poland (and Hungary and the Czech Republic) here. EU court rules three member states broke law over refugee quotas. Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic broke European law when they failed to give refuge to asylum seekers arriving in southern Europe. The three central European countries now face possible fines for refusing to take a share of refugees, after EU leaders forced through mandatory quotas... link |
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Post by dappy on Nov 20, 2023 15:50:15 GMT
the article is three years old. I genuinely don't know. Have any "fines" been levied?
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 20, 2023 16:16:11 GMT
I don't think there's any doubt that the European Court has ruled correctly, according to EU law. Whether they have ruled wisely is another matter.
I imagine all parties concerned will now wish this would just go away; the 'refugees' concerned will have long since have emerged in their preferred destinations including the UK. I doubt that any of them ever had a burning desire to live in Poland, Hungary or the Czech Republic anyway.
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