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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2023 18:57:32 GMT
I posted a link to a survey that proves than on average Brexit voters were less intelligent than Remain ones. You have no evidence to prove otherwise, beyond mumbling some shite about a few extremists, lol There are many many surveys and a host of data that indicates some groups are less intelligent on average than other groups. Sometimes it is difficult to find a reason why this is so. In the case of Brexit it is fairly easy to find quite cogent reasons why this is the case. It does beg the question though that if you have a survey that indicates less intelligence from a specific and well defined group is there a course of action you are advocating as regards that finding or is it just an observation in which case I am not clear why you keep referencing it. It suggests that the more thoughtful, less easily fooled ones were more likely to think Brexit was a bad idea. And it seems to me that being more intelligent and thoughtful on average and less easily fooled by any old shit, they are more likely to have been right. It doesnt guarantee this to be so, but it is more evidence that we got what the stupid people wanted and the intelligent ones didnt. This is just more evidence that Brexit was always likely to be a bad idea, sold on the basis of bullshit. But it doesnt really matter now. Time will tell its own story in the end. So let us see what transpires over the next few years. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2023 19:01:14 GMT
You are the one who is obsessed about the latter, as you bring it up yet again. Is it a fetish of yours or something? Obsessed lol,you brought it up and you go on in the next post to say it’s an epic rant if you think that’s a rant you’ve got a vivid imagination. You could've answered the points but never mind,I think you’ll find it’s the losers are obsessed by brexit. Actually I made an error and quoted the wrong post to respond to. I meant to respond to Buccaneer with the above words and was referring to his constant desire to talk about women with penises. So apologies to you on that one. Its a bit too late to change it now so hey ho. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 25, 2023 19:35:22 GMT
It's very simple, leave voters included hugely educated people and the same can be said of remain.
There was no incorrect box on the ballot but there was an incorrect response to the result.
You aligned yourself with the idiots who tried to overturn the biggest democratic decision in our history. And you use insults towards the people whose votes you want, whilst hoping to get rid of the Tories.
I don't respect your political position.
Your arguments are fantasy.
Meanwhile the economy continues growing. Even the Lib Dems are starting to realise that the best way is to roll with it rather than against it.
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 25, 2023 21:34:11 GMT
It took democracy to stop wars. No democracy has ever invaded another democracy. If the EU regresses towards dictatorship, by empowerment of the Commission rather than the Parliament, that is a danger, perhaps even of war. They need to empower the voters and strengthen democratic public control of the EU. Or, repatriate power back to national democracies and work together by different methods. Hitler was voted into power by a democratic vote. The fonaal voices in the EU are the two democratically elected ones...the council and the pzrliament. The commission are relatively typists. And condidering they are only 27 of them, you do accord them far more power than the democratically elected parliament, without which no law is passed. Christ. You are a total kool aid addict. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2023 21:35:40 GMT
^^ 27 typists run the EU? Crikey.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 25, 2023 21:39:46 GMT
There are many many surveys and a host of data that indicates some groups are less intelligent on average than other groups. Sometimes it is difficult to find a reason why this is so. In the case of Brexit it is fairly easy to find quite cogent reasons why this is the case. It does beg the question though that if you have a survey that indicates less intelligence from a specific and well defined group is there a course of action you are advocating as regards that finding or is it just an observation in which case I am not clear why you keep referencing it. It suggests that the more thoughtful, less easily fooled ones were more likely to think Brexit was a bad idea. And it seems to me that being more intelligent and thoughtful on average and less easily fooled by any old shit, they are more likely to have been right. It doesnt guarantee this to be so, but it is more evidence that we got what the stupid people wanted and the intelligent ones didnt. This is just more evidence that Brexit was always likely to be a bad idea, sold on the basis of bullshit. But it doesnt really matter now. Time will tell its own story in the end. So let us see what transpires over the next few years. It could suggest that, it could also suggest that those with careers and better education have more to lose from Brexit and more to gain from EU membership and those blue collar workers have more to gain from Brexit and more to lose from EU membership. This seems more pertinent as the EU bureaucracy requires vast numbers of people feeding information and research into it and ensures our money is there for that. FOM of course works to the disadvantage of the blue collar worker who finds that not only is his job now available to many millions more people but that very expansion of the labour market has driven wages down at his end of the market. It does not take much intelligence to see that is certainly a very big factor. There is also the fact that with the lower end labour the services at the lower end become more stretched and the communities more overwhelmed. It may be nice for a scientist to rough it and visit a Polish supermarket and immerse himself momentarily in the great multicultural event, it is a little more overpowering for the people whose local supermarket is now effectively a foreign country. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 25, 2023 21:44:47 GMT
It took democracy to stop wars. No democracy has ever invaded another democracy. If the EU regresses towards dictatorship, by empowerment of the Commission rather than the Parliament, that is a danger, perhaps even of war. They need to empower the voters and strengthen democratic public control of the EU. Or, repatriate power back to national democracies and work together by different methods. Hitler was voted into power by a democratic vote. The fonaal voices in the EU are the two democratically elected ones...the council and the pzrliament. The commission are relatively typists. And condidering they are only 27 of them, you do accord them far more power than the democratically elected parliament, without which no law is passed. Christ. You are a total kool aid addict. If I recall Hitler was appointed Chancellor by the President after others failed. It was a bit more complicated than being voted in. The Nazis held a significant degree of power but were not the overall majority. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2023 8:22:50 GMT
If you actually believe you're intellectually superior to the majority of British voters who voted to leave the EU then it's no wonder you're just an establishment poodle. After all, I could argue that Remainers suffer from an acute mental disorder and going by some of the posts on this forum I would say this is closer to the truth:
I will also keep in mind that you couldn't actually challenge my post or even address the logic behind it. That's OK, because you can hide behing your deluded persona and alternate reality whilst failing to even grasp the reasons why the EU would support harming the UK and the British people at every given opportunity. This is not to say we don't have enough of our own traitors and degenerate Marxists causing problems.
The fact that you think that I of all people am an establishment poodle shows how detached from reality you actually are. I don't know, you appear to be ticking all of the boxes, and your responses don't appear to be demonstrating this higher intelligence you place above those who voted Leave. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 26, 2023 8:25:10 GMT
What has changed, that has accelerated divisions and thrown them into sharp relief, is access to knowledge. Prior to the internet age, knowledge was collated, curated and verified and the sources of that knowledge could be authenticated. Since the rise of social media, knowledge is universally accessible but it is no longer collated, curated and verifiable. In particular I think that the internet has allowed the deliberate dissemination of disinformation around the world. And some of this nonsense becomes accepted reality before anyone has had a chance to refute it - and it then becomes irrefutable. The CO2 climate change theory is an obvious one, which is probably an early example of "non-fatal warfare". The elimination of CO2 is a very easy way to impoverish the developed nations and destroy the capitalist system. It's a case of very clever disinformation. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 26, 2023 8:36:05 GMT
It's very simple, leave voters included hugely educated people and the same can be said of remain. There was no incorrect box on the ballot but there was an incorrect response to the result. You aligned yourself with the idiots who tried to overturn the biggest democratic decision in our history. And you use insults towards the people whose votes you want, whilst hoping to get rid of the Tories. I don't respect your political position. Your arguments are fantasy. Meanwhile the economy continues growing. Even the Lib Dems are starting to realise that the best way is to roll with it rather than against it. Can you show how some remainers intended to overturn Brexit? "The biggest democratic decision in our history". You're having a laugh, lies and distortions ruled the biggest fraudulent pretense at democracy in our history. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2023 8:47:26 GMT
Obsessed lol,you brought it up and you go on in the next post to say it’s an epic rant if you think that’s a rant you’ve got a vivid imagination. You could've answered the points but never mind,I think you’ll find it’s the losers are obsessed by brexit. Actually I made an error and quoted the wrong post to respond to. I meant to respond to Buccaneer with the above words and was referring to his constant desire to talk about women with penises. So apologies to you on that one. Its a bit too late to change it now so hey ho. Actually, it's the Left who have been forcing it through. They are obsessed with transgenderism and Labour have already promised to lock people up for calling a biological man a man. It would seem that the best the Left can come up with is to project that obsession onto those who question and/or challenge the Left's obsession. After all, even questioning why it's being pushed into primary schools is an offence to the Left, while it should actually be every parent's concern. I have no doubt that the Left who push it don't actually care, much like they don't care about racism, which they currently use toward Jewish people today. It's all about power and control, where the Leftist horde are controlled by an obviously deranged intelligensia. One that tells its little storm troopers that they're considerbly more intelligent than Leave voters. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 26, 2023 8:53:28 GMT
It took democracy to stop wars. No democracy has ever invaded another democracy. If the EU regresses towards dictatorship, by empowerment of the Commission rather than the Parliament, that is a danger, perhaps even of war. They need to empower the voters and strengthen democratic public control of the EU. Or, repatriate power back to national democracies and work together by different methods. The fonaal voices in the EU are the two democratically elected ones...the council and the pzrliament. The commission are relatively typists. And condidering they are only 27 of them, you do accord them far more power than the democratically elected parliament, without which no law is passed. Christ. You are a total kool aid addict. No he wasn't he cheated, threatened and killed his way into attempting to win power, and was eventually given power by the top Conservatives who 'appointed him as Chancellor' in 1933, with the world depression being the final need for someone to take power. It has been claimed that without the world depression Hitler would have remained a non-entity. The Commission do the research, gather information, put together propositions after checking the legality, then pass the information onto others who will determine whether the proposition is acceptable or not. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 26, 2023 8:53:43 GMT
It's a bit odd that someone who so clearly doesn't know much about economics is now talking about our "economic self interest" and saying that Brexiteers are "thicker" than remainers.  You may remember that you remainers "fought" the referendum campaign on the basis that our economy would be trashed if we left the EU. The "Project Fear" campaign by the Remainers predicted all sorts of disasters that never happened. As I said before it was very similar to the Swiss referendum on the EEA which predicted that, if Switzerland didn't join the EEA, their economy would be trashed. Well Switzerland didn't join the EEA and it's now the richest country (per capita) in Europe and has more trade deals than the EU. And if a referendum were held there now (on joining the EU or the EEA) it would be lost by about 90%. The thing is that you don't understand the basic flaw in the EU "project" that is the ticking time bomb that will destroy it - the euro. It's already destroyed the economy of Greece and it's doing the same to Italy - the Italians absolutely hate the EU. The problem with the euro is that, as many economists predicted, you can NOT share a currency between disparate countries without fiscal union. You may remember that we tried to fix Sterling to the Deutschmark some years ago (like the EMS) and we immediately went into severe recession until we abandoned the experiment. The problem for the EU is that they've set up the Eurozone (involving disparate countries) and are now finding that absolutely no member nation wants to hand over their fiscal policy to a central authority (i.e. Germany probably). And the longer this situation goes on the greater the tensions become. We were lucky to get off the "runaway train" at the last stop before piles straight into the buffers. The evidence I posted clearly suggests that on average Brexiteers are less intelligent and thus more easily fooled than Remainers. Simply pretending that is not the case without counter evidence to support you cuts no ice with me. And I am sufficiently clued up about economics, thank you very much. My disagreeing with you does not constitute evidence to the contrary.But the fact that you claim we'd be better off in the EU - without giving any reason why - does constitute evidence to the contrary. Let's have a little history lesson and go back to when we joined the Common Market. There was a good reason to join this trading body because, back then, tariffs were very high so it made some sense to pay to join the Common Market. Although why we should pay for "free" trade I've never understood. Even so there were some big dangers in free trade with Europe because we exposed our industry to the likes of Germany and we lost out badly - all our car industry has gone for example. However, over the years, world tariffs have plummeted while our "budget contribution" to the EU has soared. We were paying more to be a member of the free trade club than we would have paid in tariffs. Which makes no sense. We had also given away our sovereignty (Maastricht) and our fishing waters (for nothing in return) and had virtually no say in any of the decision making because our vote numbers had been eroded. And also the trade we do with the EU has been gradually dropping as Europe goes into decline and India and China are the growing markets. Also by being in the protectionist Customs Union it meant that we had to raise high tariff barriers against non-EU members - so it was uneconomic to trade with the Commonwealth. Basically membership of the EU made no sense whatsoever for us. And Jean-Claude Juncker himself admitted this! So what do you think is going to happen in the future that will suddenly make it economically advantageous to rejoin the EU? It's got to be something pretty massive. Come on - give us the benefit of your economic knowledge, srb. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 26, 2023 8:55:24 GMT
Actually I made an error and quoted the wrong post to respond to. I meant to respond to Buccaneer with the above words and was referring to his constant desire to talk about women with penises. So apologies to you on that one. Its a bit too late to change it now so hey ho. Actually, it's the Left who have been forcing it through. They are obsessed with transgenderism and Labour have already promised to lock people up for calling a biological man a man. It would seem that the best the Left can come up with is to project that obsession onto those who question and/or challenge the Left's obsession. After all, even questioning why it's being pushed into primary schools is an offence to the Left, while it should actually be every parent's concern. I have no doubt that the Left who push it don't actually care, much like they don't care about racism, which they currently use toward Jewish people today. It's all about power and control, where the Leftist horde are controlled by an obviously deranged intelligensia. One that tells its little storm troopers that they're considerbly more intelligent than Leave voters. I think that has gone over this "intelligentsia's" head. He's still smarting over Brexit which happened years ago, and is accusing leavers of generally being thick and of course living in an "alternate reality". Yet, when one points to the obvious flaw in his argument - that people like him believe women with penises are real. He deflects by claiming this is an obsession. In other words, he has no argument. He knows, his whole premise of this very thread falls flat on its face with that topic. A topic he can't rationalise so instead claims others are obsessed by it, because he believes in the alternate reality that women with penises exist. haha |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 26, 2023 9:03:03 GMT
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