|
|
Post by oracle75 on Nov 24, 2023 15:46:57 GMT
Trump didn't encourage any violent action (at all) at the capital and the riot that did happen clearly wasn't an attempt to overturn the US government or remove its authority. Using big words to describe small things doesn't make it so Biden had been duly elected and was the legal president of the USA. He was the government of the USA and the riot was an attempt to prevent the legal recognition of that fact. I'd call that trying to overturn or remove the president of the USA. IOW, treason. |
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Nov 24, 2023 15:54:35 GMT
Sorry Kim but you're staying on ignore.
|
|
|
|
Post by Orac on Nov 24, 2023 15:55:39 GMT
Trump didn't encourage any violent action (at all) at the capital and the riot that did happen clearly wasn't an attempt to overturn the US government or remove its authority. Using big words to describe small things doesn't make it so Biden had been duly elected and was the legal president of the USA. He was the government of the USA and the riot was an attempt to prevent the legal recognition of that fact. I'd call that trying to overturn or remove the president of the USA. IOW, treason. Trump was technically president at the time and the riot (such as it was) could not sensibly prevent Biden becoming president or using his powers - if that's what the ongoing process resolved as. Calling it an insurrection or attempt to overthrow the US government is quite idiotic - it was a riot. |
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Nov 24, 2023 16:03:44 GMT
Trump was the President reject. The outgoing unelected whingebag trying to keep himself in power by criminal means instead of accepting the democratic vote, biding his time and having another go later. As a result of his behaviour he may well get convicted of treason. Evidence is mounting against him. Quite honestly, the man's a crook. The Republicans need another Mitt Romney / John McCain type. Someone with principles, integrity and decency. Someone not bought and paid for by Putin. Did you know that every single Casino Trump ran, went bust? Who bankrupts a Casino? A CASINO? The house always wins, except when Trump runs it into the ground. Who bailed him out? The Russian Mafia. The man is dodgy. ![]() Stolen classified documents.  Stolen classified documents.  He's a thief, a liar and likely to be convicted of treason. Man's a crook. And I don't like Biden either. |
|
|
|
Post by Orac on Nov 24, 2023 16:07:18 GMT
Once again, Vinny's galloping TDS issue takes over yet another ostensibly unrelated thread.
|
|
|
|
Post by oracle75 on Nov 24, 2023 16:11:07 GMT
Some of us do not agree with you. In regards to that, you need to get over it. And I am not lying to either myself or you but speaking the truth as I see it. By all means call me wrong. But dont call me a fucking liar because I disagree with you. Thats just low and ought to be beneath you.. And you might well be a bunch of diverse and democratically minded people. But whilst this is not true of all of you, the evidence I posted a link to clearly shows that there were many more below average intelligence people om your side than on mine. So some of you might have been intelligent but clearly there were many who are just a bit thick and easily fooled. I gave you a link to a survey that measured that fact. That you are all thoughtful geniuses making intelligent decisions is the alternative reality here. And you call yourselves democrats yet want to silence anyone who disagrees with you, through fear they might become a democratic majority against you and work to undo your wet dream. Nothing is forever in a democracy unless the people want it to be forever. So to coin a phrase, get over it. I don't care what you think, you lost, you're irrelevant. You've been outvoted and have the hubris to call people who weren't outvoted uneducated, stupid, racist. Your arguments are stupid. And, your lot tried to overthrow democracy, and that makes you a bunch of pig ignorant fascist bullies. You were completely unaware of all the downsides of EU membership, regarded it like a sacred cow, rather than a sick pig. Reform was called for and was rejected over and over again. We were watching, you weren't. If you'd paid attention, like Daniel Hannan (a far more educated man than you), you might have realised that something was amiss with this project and that it was a good idea to get out of it. Your lot's refusal to accept democracy (and attempt to overturn a democratic vote) inspired Donald Trump's assault on democracy. The people you have aligned yourself with really are absolutely barking. Sorry but if you think you represent the average "intelligent" leave voter, no wonder they were tricked by data theft and persuasive propaganda. Throughout this forum you have shown a piss poor understanding of the EU, its limited powers, its democratic process and its reach. The real facts are oozing out of the lava flow and more and more people are realising that the whole referendum was a pointless fart in the history of the UK. Any nation worth being considered "yop rank" should be ready for anything. Its resources, systemms and politics should be able to counter anything. Clearly what Brexit left the UK with was a totally incompetent government chosen ONLY because they had scored an open goal by breaking the rules. The rest is history being written. Brexit has not in any way made the country a better place. Nothing since Brexit has strengthened the country in any capacity. Example...the levelling up policy so more easily done because now you had sovereignty has utterly collapsed and high level cabinet ministers are calling northern towns insulting names. HS2 is an expensive disaster and the level of poverty will rise. The Brexit government didnt really care a toss for the north or those less well off. All those promises were as disgraceful as any other designed to dangle candy in front of babies. That you insist on defending and speaking for the whole charade speaks of the relative intelligence of Leavers, many of whom now regret their choice, just keeps showing that you still dont understand what the truth is and that you still lick the boots of those who lied and tricked their way to one of the worst governments in British history. |
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Nov 24, 2023 16:50:17 GMT
Once again, Vinny's galloping TDS issue takes over yet another ostensibly unrelated thread. TDS ? LOL try again Orac. I don't like Biden either. I don't like Starmer. I don't like Sunak. Nobody who seeks power can be trusted with power. There's something wrong with anyone who seeks enough power to be able to declare war. The misuse of power, especially when it results in someone getting killed (and it did), is the worst of all. I didn't give a shit who the yanks elected in 2020, or in prior elections, only cared that the ballot box was honoured. Not my country. Not my vote. BUT, when an arsehole starts lying, whips up a riot and gets people killed, simply because he lost, sorry but I cannot stand by without criticism of him. Man's a criminal. I think Biden's a nasty piece of work as well, but I respect the office and the vote which put him there. |
|
|
|
Post by Orac on Nov 24, 2023 17:02:48 GMT
Once again, Vinny's galloping TDS issue takes over yet another ostensibly unrelated thread. TDS ? LOL try again Orac. I don't like Biden either. How many big picture posts have dedicated to Biden in this thread? You mention Biden when someone (correctly) diagnoses you with TDS. The thread is no more about Trump than it is about Biden and yet you wing one way. The first step to recovery is accepting you have a problem. |
|
|
|
Post by sheepy on Nov 24, 2023 17:26:30 GMT
TDS ? LOL try again Orac. I don't like Biden either. How many big picture posts have dedicated to Biden in this thread? You mention Biden when someone (correctly) diagnoses you with TDS. The thread is no more about Trump than it is about Biden and yet you wing one way. The first step to recovery is accepting you have a problem. You need to talk more about war. Death and guns, Vinny likes that. |
|
|
|
Post by see2 on Nov 24, 2023 17:55:15 GMT
The 'Proud Boys' played a part in attempting to keep Trump in office after he lost the election. That was potentially a far more dangerous and damaging thing to do than anything any of the rioters have done. Fortunately the would be dictator got his arse kicked and if justice is to prevail, he will end up in prison. I'm not sure what you mean here. I'll assume you have a patchy understanding of the first amendment What part of the 1st amendment are you referring to? |
|
|
|
Post by see2 on Nov 24, 2023 18:10:55 GMT
Some of us do not agree with you. In regards to that, you need to get over it. And I am not lying to either myself or you but speaking the truth as I see it. By all means call me wrong. But dont call me a fucking liar because I disagree with you. Thats just low and ought to be beneath you.. And you might well be a bunch of diverse and democratically minded people. But whilst this is not true of all of you, the evidence I posted a link to clearly shows that there were many more below average intelligence people om your side than on mine. So some of you might have been intelligent but clearly there were many who are just a bit thick and easily fooled. I gave you a link to a survey that measured that fact. That you are all thoughtful geniuses making intelligent decisions is the alternative reality here. And you call yourselves democrats yet want to silence anyone who disagrees with you, through fear they might become a democratic majority against you and work to undo your wet dream. Nothing is forever in a democracy unless the people want it to be forever. So to coin a phrase, get over it. I don't care what you think, you lost, you're irrelevant. You've been outvoted and have the hubris to call people who weren't outvoted uneducated, stupid, racist. Your arguments are stupid. And, your lot tried to overthrow democracy, and that makes you a bunch of pig ignorant fascist bullies. You were completely unaware of all the downsides of EU membership, regarded it like a sacred cow, rather than a sick pig. Reform was called for and was rejected over and over again. We were watching, you weren't. If you'd paid attention, like Daniel Hannan (a far more educated man than you), you might have realised that something was amiss with this project and that it was a good idea to get out of it. Your lot's refusal to accept democracy (and attempt to overturn a democratic vote) inspired Donald Trump's assault on democracy. The people you have aligned yourself with really are absolutely barking. Morons like this man:  And the New European.  Danial Hannon looks like a fascist right-wing extremist who attacked the UK NHS during an American interview, and you have just proven that you are an idiot, proved by your pathetic attempt to defend the biggest arsehole in modern politics. In the way you have indicated in other posts where everyone else except yourself is wrong, I was correctly reaching the conclusion that you are far to the right of politics and have reached a form of Fascist thinking all by yourself. |
|
|
|
Post by see2 on Nov 24, 2023 18:19:25 GMT
Biden had been duly elected and was the legal president of the USA. He was the government of the USA and the riot was an attempt to prevent the legal recognition of that fact. I'd call that trying to overturn or remove the president of the USA. IOW, treason. Trump was technically president at the time and the riot (such as it was) could not sensibly prevent Biden becoming president or using his powers - if that's what the ongoing process resolved as. Calling it an insurrection or attempt to overthrow the US government is quite idiotic - it was a riot. And technically, Trump remained President until the election result was officially signed off. It was that signing off of the election result that Trump and his followers tried to stop. The moment it was signed off Trump called his idiots off. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 18:39:58 GMT
Some of us do not agree with you. In regards to that, you need to get over it. And I am not lying to either myself or you but speaking the truth as I see it. By all means call me wrong. But dont call me a fucking liar because I disagree with you. Thats just low and ought to be beneath you.. And you might well be a bunch of diverse and democratically minded people. But whilst this is not true of all of you, the evidence I posted a link to clearly shows that there were many more below average intelligence people om your side than on mine. So some of you might have been intelligent but clearly there were many who are just a bit thick and easily fooled. I gave you a link to a survey that measured that fact. That you are all thoughtful geniuses making intelligent decisions is the alternative reality here. And you call yourselves democrats yet want to silence anyone who disagrees with you, through fear they might become a democratic majority against you and work to undo your wet dream. Nothing is forever in a democracy unless the people want it to be forever. So to coin a phrase, get over it. I don't care what you think, you lost, you're irrelevant. You've been outvoted and have the hubris to call people who weren't outvoted uneducated, stupid, racist. Your arguments are stupid. And, your lot tried to overthrow democracy, and that makes you a bunch of pig ignorant fascist bullies. You were completely unaware of all the downsides of EU membership, regarded it like a sacred cow, rather than a sick pig. Reform was called for and was rejected over and over again. We were watching, you weren't. If you'd paid attention, like Daniel Hannan (a far more educated man than you), you might have realised that something was amiss with this project and that it was a good idea to get out of it. Your lot's refusal to accept democracy (and attempt to overturn a democratic vote) inspired Donald Trump's assault on democracy. The people you have aligned yourself with really are absolutely barking. Morons like this man: And the New European. I didnt call you all stupid, racist or uneducated, though there were racists on your side of the argument. What I said was that there were many more less intelligent people on your side than ours, and thus more easily fooled. And I didnt just make that up. I posted a link to actual survey evidence of this fact. I know the Leave vote narrowly won the Brexit vote with the aid of a lot of less intelligent and more easily fooled people, and a few racists, but the democratic outcome was carried out and Brexit delivered, in spite of Remainers making the case - not unreasonably - that we should be given another say once we knew what the actual deal was. Of course Brexiteers decided to run away from democracy on that one in case people didnt vote their way. Now we have Brexit delivered, for better or worse, you just want those who think it is not good for us to shut up now you have got what you want. But democracy and a free country means that those not happy with the status quo are free to try and persuade people that we should go back or change it to something different moving forwards. They are free to make that argument. But it will only happen if they can persuade people. Your fear that they might lays behind your expressed belief that people saying stuff you dont like should just shut up and get over it. But people do not shut up about, or get over, what they oppose. They campaign for what they believe in. Engaging with them and winning the argument, in conjunction with Brexit widely being seen to be a success, would be far more persuasive than just telling people to shut the hell up and accept the status quo for all time just because you like it. And by the way, I never tried to claim that there were not idiots and/or stupid people on the Remain side too. I am sure if you wanted do you could give examples. But I will share again the evidence here measured by a representative survey..... www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-voters-stupid-study-voters-b2452491.htmlThis clearly shows that there were many more less intelligent people on your side than on ours. And you wouldnt have won without them. Fact. So get over that one, lol |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 18:41:34 GMT
The EU knows it can all fall apart, especially when eurosceptism is going strong. To hurt the UK and the British people sends a message, and I think it would be naive to believe this isn't happening at every opportunity. It isn't in the EU's interest to see the UK succeed. The EU does not have the power to hurt this now ' free' UK even if it wanted to. Can you give some examples of the EU trying to get its own back on the UK? If he responds to that, cue more detours into the imaginary realm of conspiracy theorising. |
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Nov 24, 2023 19:02:47 GMT
There were racists on your side of the argument as well, if you didn't realise.
And as well as racists, non racist but very very stupid idiots who thought a million Indians died in WW2 "for the European project".
This is Steven Woolfe correcting David Lammy.
|
|
