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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 11:29:26 GMT
There's clearly little point in debate with you srb as you don't understand English. I didn't say the first moon landing WAS faked - I said it was a possibility, which it is. And US election was obviously wide open to fraud because so many of the votes were postal, which are much harder to check and are a known weak point in most elections. Fraud obviously took place but whether it affected the result we don't know - and never will because no one is willing to investigate it. The fact you dismiss both as "conspiracy theories" is just mindless. And anyone who dismisses the obvious fact that the EU is trying to get their own back on the UK for leaving the EU is obviously a brick short of a load. In your "alternate reality" everybody plays by the rules apparently. In actual real life it doesn't work like that. I would have to disagree with your last paragraph, IMO the EU putting its own interests first is a perfectly natural thing to do, it is not a case of 'trying to get its own back'. I see no benefit for the EU wasting its time "trying to get its own back" on the UK for leaving, it has far more important things to do. The EU knows it can all fall apart, especially when eurosceptism is going strong. To hurt the UK and the British people sends a message, and I think it would be naive to believe this isn't happening at every opportunity. It isn't in the EU's interest to see the UK succeed. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 11:37:54 GMT
Come to think of it, neither have I. I heard that was a bit of a ruck, but nothing that could be compared to the organised Marxist riots by Biden's lot, which were so big they even reached us over the pond. As far as I know there was nothing more than a handful of minor 'physical altercations' that were more than 50% them being assaulted by various groups who seemed to be unaware of the first amendment. I don't recall any 'proud boy riots' This sounds about right. Anything over here that isn't affiliated with Socialist Worker, the Unions and the Councils are welcomed by the no-platforming anti-protest protesting rent-a-mobs who attack them verbally and violently. This way the BBC can claim there was violence because of these bogeymen. Even Farage has been on the receiving end of these Leftist violent mobs and all he did was campaign for an independent UK.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 13:17:40 GMT
I would have to disagree with your last paragraph, IMO the EU putting its own interests first is a perfectly natural thing to do, it is not a case of 'trying to get its own back'. I see no benefit for the EU wasting its time "trying to get its own back" on the UK for leaving, it has far more important things to do. The EU knows it can all fall apart, especially when eurosceptism is going strong. To hurt the UK and the British people sends a message, and I think it would be naive to believe this isn't happening at every opportunity. It isn't in the EU's interest to see the UK succeed. So if we become a failed state it will all be the EU's fault even though we are not in it. lol The nonsense some of you Brexit lot spout is truly legendary. No surprise really when you look at this.... www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/people-who-voted-for-brexit-more-likely-to-be-less-intelligent-study-claims/ar-AA1kshgoYes, research clearly demonstrates that on average, Brexit voters were far more thick than Remain voters, and far more easily fooled by any old shite they were told. And the various outpourings on forums such as this only serves to demonstrate the truth of this still further. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 24, 2023 13:19:53 GMT
Your arguments are prejudiced in the extreme and very wrong.
UK is a successful country with a growing economy.
EU members including Germany have been in recession recently.
We're not going back, get over it.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 24, 2023 13:43:13 GMT
The EU knows it can all fall apart, especially when eurosceptism is going strong. To hurt the UK and the British people sends a message, and I think it would be naive to believe this isn't happening at every opportunity. It isn't in the EU's interest to see the UK succeed. So if we become a failed state it will all be the EU's fault even though we are not in it. lol The nonsense some of you Brexit lot spout is truly legendary. No surprise really when you look at this.... www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/people-who-voted-for-brexit-more-likely-to-be-less-intelligent-study-claims/ar-AA1kshgoYes, research clearly demonstrates that on average, Brexit voters were far more thick than Remain voters, and far more easily fooled by any old shite they were told. And the various outpourings on forums such as this only serves to demonstrate the truth of this still further. Oh the irony 😁 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 14:04:44 GMT
Your arguments are prejudiced in the extreme and very wrong. UK is a successful country with a growing economy. EU members including Germany have been in recession recently. We're not going back, get over it. Probably not anytime soon. But economic self interest in combination with the will of the people as time goes by will be decisive in the end. Where those two strands will lead are purely a matter of speculation right now. The fact that younger people were more pro-Remain does suggest that demographics is on their side, but opinions can change so that is not set in stone. No doubt you believe that we will be a roaring economic success outside the EU and that any desire to rejoin amongst younger people will consequently evaporate as they experience increasing prosperity as they get older. Remainers would not believe that at all. But time will tell either way. In the meantime, in a democratic society that values freedom of speech, no one should be expected to "get over it" if they regard "it" as a big mistake. It is their right to speak out for what they believe in. And in pointing out the unwelcome fact that on average Brexit voters were more thick and more easily led than Remain ones, I am merely stating a measured fact. But just because there were more thickoes on your side of the argument does not prove you are wrong. Though it is a logically obvious fact that more intelligent people are less likely to be wrong about fewer things than the thick ones. So make of that what you will. Time and the will of the people will be decisive in the end. I suspect that as more older people who voted Brexit die off and as it becomes clear how Brexit has damaged us - if it has - within a decade or two, rejoining or at least more closely aligning with, the EU will become an increasingly popular opinion on all but the Tory right. But I could be wrong and Brexit might end up being such a demonstrably obvious long term success that support for rejoining will evaporate. I wouldn't put my money on that though. However, until the long term outcome becomes clear and for as long as a substantial chunk of the electorate, including a majority of the more intelligent ones, regard Brexit as a mistake, it is their right not to get over it and to campaign for what they believe in. And you need to get over that obvious fact. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 24, 2023 14:26:27 GMT
Oh for goodness sake stop remoaning, stop lying to yourself and cheer up.
We are not some froth mouthed bunch of ignorant Nazis. We're a diverse bunch of intelligent democratically minded citizens who after decades of powers being handed to the EU without our consent, and after David Cameron's failure to achieve a reform of the EU, voted leave.
Our decision has been honoured.
It is a social, economic and diplomatic success.
And here's another bonus, we haven't invaded and occupied any other countries since the Tories got in. Or bombed any other countries since the independence vote.
Get over it and stop the moronic alternative reality rubbish.
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Post by see2 on Nov 24, 2023 14:42:35 GMT
Come to think of it, neither have I. I heard that was a bit of a ruck, but nothing that could be compared to the organised Marxist riots by Biden's lot, which were so big they even reached us over the pond. As far as I know there was nothing more than a handful of minor 'physical altercations' that were more than 50% them being assaulted by various groups who seemed to be unaware of the first amendment. I don't recall any 'proud boy riots' The 'Proud Boys' played a part in attempting to keep Trump in office after he lost the election. That was potentially a far more dangerous and damaging thing to do than anything any of the rioters have done. Fortunately the would be dictator got his arse kicked and if justice is to prevail, he will end up in prison. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 24, 2023 14:47:56 GMT
I would have to disagree with your last paragraph, IMO the EU putting its own interests first is a perfectly natural thing to do, it is not a case of 'trying to get its own back'. I see no benefit for the EU wasting its time "trying to get its own back" on the UK for leaving, it has far more important things to do. The EU knows it can all fall apart, especially when eurosceptism is going strong. To hurt the UK and the British people sends a message, and I think it would be naive to believe this isn't happening at every opportunity. It isn't in the EU's interest to see the UK succeed. The EU does not have the power to hurt this now ' free' UK even if it wanted to. Can you give some examples of the EU trying to get its own back on the UK? |
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Post by Orac on Nov 24, 2023 14:49:34 GMT
As far as I know there was nothing more than a handful of minor 'physical altercations' that were more than 50% them being assaulted by various groups who seemed to be unaware of the first amendment. I don't recall any 'proud boy riots' The 'Proud Boys' played a part in attempting to keep Trump in office after he lost the election. That was potentially a far more dangerous and damaging thing to do than anything any of the rioters have done. Fortunately the would be dictator got his arse kicked and if justice is to prevail, he will end up in prison. I'm not sure what you mean here. I'll assume you have a patchy understanding of the first amendment |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 24, 2023 15:04:25 GMT
I for one couldn't care less about the American constitution.
The man attempted insurrection.
His followers rioted.
I'd have opened fire on them with live rounds.
I'd have that whiney voiced corrupt traitor up on a treason charge and publicly executed for what he did.
That man, betrayed the ballot box and his country.
Then he stole classified documents and at the same time documents were stolen, US agents started being arrested and murdered by enemy dictatorships.
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Post by Orac on Nov 24, 2023 15:10:43 GMT
Trump didn't encourage any violent action (at all) at the capital and the riot that did happen clearly wasn't an attempt to overturn the US government or remove its authority.
Using big words to describe small things doesn't make it so
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 15:43:30 GMT
Oh for goodness sake stop remoaning, stop lying to yourself and cheer up. We are not some froth mouthed bunch of ignorant Nazis. We're a diverse bunch of intelligent democratically minded citizens who after decades of powers being handed to the EU without our consent, and after David Cameron's failure to achieve a reform of the EU, voted leave. Our decision has been honoured. It is a social, economic and diplomatic success. And here's another bonus, we haven't invaded and occupied any other countries since the Tories got in. Or bombed any other countries since the independence vote. Get over it and stop the moronic alternative reality rubbish. Some of us do not agree with you. In regards to that, you need to get over it. And I am not lying to either myself or you but speaking the truth as I see it. By all means call me wrong. But dont call me a fucking liar because I disagree with you. Thats just low and ought to be beneath you.. And you might well be a bunch of diverse and democratically minded people. But whilst this is not true of all of you, the evidence I posted a link to clearly shows that there were many more below average intelligence people om your side than on mine. So some of you might have been intelligent but clearly there were many who are just a bit thick and easily fooled. I gave you a link to a survey that measured that fact. That you are all thoughtful geniuses making intelligent decisions is the alternative reality here. And you call yourselves democrats yet want to silence anyone who disagrees with you, through fear they might become a democratic majority against you and work to undo your wet dream. Nothing is forever in a democracy unless the people want it to be forever. So to coin a phrase, get over it. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 24, 2023 15:43:33 GMT
"Our brightest days are before us, our greatest achievements still wait. I think one of our great achievements will be election security because nobody, until I came along, had any idea how corrupt our elections were. And again, most people would stand there at 9:00 in the evening and say, ‘I want to thank you very much,’ and they go off to some other life, but I said, ‘Something’s wrong here. Something’s really wrong. Can’t have happened.’ And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country any more." That is what the lying piece of spit said. Here's a full transcript. www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/11/full-transcript-donald-trump-january-6-incendiary-speechOf course he incited violence he invited those thugs, told the Proud Boys to Stand Back and Stand By, then outside the Capitol told those thugs to fight. Put him on a treason charge, try him, convict him and execute him. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 24, 2023 15:46:45 GMT
Oh for goodness sake stop remoaning, stop lying to yourself and cheer up. We are not some froth mouthed bunch of ignorant Nazis. We're a diverse bunch of intelligent democratically minded citizens who after decades of powers being handed to the EU without our consent, and after David Cameron's failure to achieve a reform of the EU, voted leave. Our decision has been honoured. It is a social, economic and diplomatic success. And here's another bonus, we haven't invaded and occupied any other countries since the Tories got in. Or bombed any other countries since the independence vote. Get over it and stop the moronic alternative reality rubbish. Some of us do not agree with you. In regards to that, you need to get over it. And I am not lying to either myself or you but speaking the truth as I see it. By all means call me wrong. But dont call me a fucking liar because I disagree with you. Thats just low and ought to be beneath you.. And you might well be a bunch of diverse and democratically minded people. But whilst this is not true of all of you, the evidence I posted a link to clearly shows that there were many more below average intelligence people om your side than on mine. So some of you might have been intelligent but clearly there were many who are just a bit thick and easily fooled. I gave you a link to a survey that measured that fact. That you are all thoughtful geniuses making intelligent decisions is the alternative reality here. And you call yourselves democrats yet want to silence anyone who disagrees with you, through fear they might become a democratic majority against you and work to undo your wet dream. Nothing is forever in a democracy unless the people want it to be forever. So to coin a phrase, get over it. I don't care what you think, you lost, you're irrelevant. You've been outvoted and have the hubris to call people who weren't outvoted uneducated, stupid, racist. Your arguments are stupid. And, your lot tried to overthrow democracy, and that makes you a bunch of pig ignorant fascist bullies. You were completely unaware of all the downsides of EU membership, regarded it like a sacred cow, rather than a sick pig. Reform was called for and was rejected over and over again. We were watching, you weren't. If you'd paid attention, like Daniel Hannan (a far more educated man than you), you might have realised that something was amiss with this project and that it was a good idea to get out of it. Your lot's refusal to accept democracy (and attempt to overturn a democratic vote) inspired Donald Trump's assault on democracy. The people you have aligned yourself with really are absolutely barking. Morons like this man:  And the New European.  |
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