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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 0:26:24 GMT
Even Trump appointed judges turned against him. And the USA doesn't really have a left, they have a centre and a right. Nothing particularly left wing, although the Dems are mad woke fools. Woke in itself is nothing like Arthur Scargill. We saw the political oppression, the violence and the partisan propaganda during the run up to the election. Whether they're brought by multinational corporations or not doesn't invalidate the collectivist vehicle that is the Left. I never said they wasn't corrupt. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 23, 2023 7:59:57 GMT
The thing about the election is that it was very unusual in that, due to Covid, there were a huge number of postal votes - many of which came in long after the ballots were closed. So after the ballots were closed it did look like Trump had won. But he was "reeled in" day after day by late postal votes. Not only is this dubious legally but there's also the problem that we know that, if there's any fraud, it's usually in the postal votes - and the Democrats had by far the most postal votes. It's very difficult to prevent fraud when some people vote in person in one constituency and via a postal vote in another. Trump has a valid concern. Unfortunately the Lefty judiciary had absolutely no interest in investigating it. So you are buying into Trump's stolen election conspiracy theory as well? And you call me naïve, lol. He lost, fair and square. If there were any significant voter fraud Trumps lot are likely to have uncovered it. They pulled out all the stops trying to. Nothing substantive or credible was found. The conspiracy to steal the election is - without evidence - just a groundless theory, hence the very epitome of a conspiracy theory.
I bet you think the moon landings were faked too. lol Unfortunately it's not a theory and it's not groundless. It's a "claim", for which there is some evidence, but which has never been investigated properly. There almost certainly was fraud - there always is - but whether it was enough to swing the election we don't know. Probably not. However, elections (in both the USA and here) are becoming more vulnerable to fraud because there's an increasing number of marginal constituencies (in the UK) and in the USA there's an increasing number of closely run electoral colleges. All the Democrats had to do was target those states (like Georgia). In the UK there are apparently 63 constituencies now where the muslims hold the balance of power - i.e. a block vote from all muslims voting for the same candidate (which is usually what happens because they're told who to vote for by their imams) determines who wins - and 63 seats is usually a winning margin. There's another "conspiracy" for you.  Except there's plenty of evidence for it - just as there is plenty of evidence for the EU's interference in our politics. As for the moon landings the area for argument is the FIRST moon landing - not subsequent ones. There is a lot of evidence to cast doubt on whether it was genuine. Absolutely no one would attempt the same feat nowadays with the technology they had then, which is less than in a quartz watch. The problem is how would they keep it secret because of the number of people involved. However it would have been much easier pre-internet than now. I wouldn't completely dismiss it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 15:32:07 GMT
So you are buying into Trump's stolen election conspiracy theory as well? And you call me naïve, lol. He lost, fair and square. If there were any significant voter fraud Trumps lot are likely to have uncovered it. They pulled out all the stops trying to. Nothing substantive or credible was found. The conspiracy to steal the election is - without evidence - just a groundless theory, hence the very epitome of a conspiracy theory.
I bet you think the moon landings were faked too. lol Unfortunately it's not a theory and it's not groundless. It's a "claim", for which there is some evidence, but which has never been investigated properly. There almost certainly was fraud - there always is - but whether it was enough to swing the election we don't know. Probably not. However, elections (in both the USA and here) are becoming more vulnerable to fraud because there's an increasing number of marginal constituencies (in the UK) and in the USA there's an increasing number of closely run electoral colleges. All the Democrats had to do was target those states (like Georgia). In the UK there are apparently 63 constituencies now where the muslims hold the balance of power - i.e. a block vote from all muslims voting for the same candidate (which is usually what happens because they're told who to vote for by their imams) determines who wins - and 63 seats is usually a winning margin. There's another "conspiracy" for you. Except there's plenty of evidence for it - just as there is plenty of evidence for the EU's interference in our politics. As for the moon landings the area for argument is the FIRST moon landing - not subsequent ones. There is a lot of evidence to cast doubt on whether it was genuine. Absolutely no one would attempt the same feat nowadays with the technology they had then, which is less than in a quartz watch. The problem is how would they keep it secret because of the number of people involved. However it would have been much easier pre-internet than now. I wouldn't completely dismiss it. I was actually being facetious when I said you think the moon landing was faked, but it seems you do actually think it was faked. lol And you have clearly bought into Trumps bullshit stolen election conspiracy theory, lock, stock and barrel. You demonstrate the truth of everything I said in my OP with every post you make. There is little to be gained from intelligent debate between us when the the reality you live in is so clearly a false one. We would never even be able to agree upon what the facts were to base any debate on. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 23, 2023 15:33:41 GMT
Minimum age 40.
Maximum age 65.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 23, 2023 15:47:23 GMT
Minimum age 40. Maximum age 65. There is already a minimum age to run for President. I think it's 35. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 24, 2023 7:13:23 GMT
Unfortunately it's not a theory and it's not groundless. It's a "claim", for which there is some evidence, but which has never been investigated properly. There almost certainly was fraud - there always is - but whether it was enough to swing the election we don't know. Probably not. However, elections (in both the USA and here) are becoming more vulnerable to fraud because there's an increasing number of marginal constituencies (in the UK) and in the USA there's an increasing number of closely run electoral colleges. All the Democrats had to do was target those states (like Georgia). In the UK there are apparently 63 constituencies now where the muslims hold the balance of power - i.e. a block vote from all muslims voting for the same candidate (which is usually what happens because they're told who to vote for by their imams) determines who wins - and 63 seats is usually a winning margin. There's another "conspiracy" for you. Except there's plenty of evidence for it - just as there is plenty of evidence for the EU's interference in our politics. As for the moon landings the area for argument is the FIRST moon landing - not subsequent ones. There is a lot of evidence to cast doubt on whether it was genuine. Absolutely no one would attempt the same feat nowadays with the technology they had then, which is less than in a quartz watch. The problem is how would they keep it secret because of the number of people involved. However it would have been much easier pre-internet than now. I wouldn't completely dismiss it. I was actually being facetious when I said you think the moon landing was faked, but it seems you do actually think it was faked. lol And you have clearly bought into Trumps bullshit stolen election conspiracy theory, lock, stock and barrel. You demonstrate the truth of everything I said in my OP with every post you make. There is little to be gained from intelligent debate between us when the the reality you live in is so clearly a false one. We would never even be able to agree upon what the facts were to base any debate on. There's clearly little point in debate with you srb as you don't understand English. I didn't say the first moon landing WAS faked - I said it was a possibility, which it is. And US election was obviously wide open to fraud because so many of the votes were postal, which are much harder to check and are a known weak point in most elections. Fraud obviously took place but whether it affected the result we don't know - and never will because no one is willing to investigate it. The fact you dismiss both as "conspiracy theories" is just mindless. And anyone who dismisses the obvious fact that the EU is trying to get their own back on the UK for leaving the EU is obviously a brick short of a load. In your "alternate reality" everybody plays by the rules apparently. In actual real life it doesn't work like that. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 24, 2023 8:41:52 GMT
I was actually being facetious when I said you think the moon landing was faked, but it seems you do actually think it was faked. lol And you have clearly bought into Trumps bullshit stolen election conspiracy theory, lock, stock and barrel. You demonstrate the truth of everything I said in my OP with every post you make. There is little to be gained from intelligent debate between us when the the reality you live in is so clearly a false one. We would never even be able to agree upon what the facts were to base any debate on. There's clearly little point in debate with you srb as you don't understand English. I didn't say the first moon landing WAS faked - I said it was a possibility, which it is. And US election was obviously wide open to fraud because so many of the votes were postal, which are much harder to check and are a known weak point in most elections. Fraud obviously took place but whether it affected the result we don't know - and never will because no one is willing to investigate it. The fact you dismiss both as "conspiracy theories" is just mindless. And anyone who dismisses the obvious fact that the EU is trying to get their own back on the UK for leaving the EU is obviously a brick short of a load. In your "alternate reality" everybody plays by the rules apparently. In actual real life it doesn't work like that. I would have to disagree with your last paragraph, IMO the EU putting its own interests first is a perfectly natural thing to do, it is not a case of 'trying to get its own back'. I see no benefit for the EU wasting its time "trying to get its own back" on the UK for leaving, it has far more important things to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 10:02:03 GMT
There's clearly little point in debate with you srb as you don't understand English. I didn't say the first moon landing WAS faked - I said it was a possibility, which it is. And US election was obviously wide open to fraud because so many of the votes were postal, which are much harder to check and are a known weak point in most elections. Fraud obviously took place but whether it affected the result we don't know - and never will because no one is willing to investigate it. The fact you dismiss both as "conspiracy theories" is just mindless. And anyone who dismisses the obvious fact that the EU is trying to get their own back on the UK for leaving the EU is obviously a brick short of a load. In your "alternate reality" everybody plays by the rules apparently. In actual real life it doesn't work like that. I would have to disagree with your last paragraph, IMO the EU putting its own interests first is a perfectly natural thing to do, it is not a case of 'trying to get its own back'. I see no benefit for the EU wasting its time "trying to get its own back" on the UK for leaving, it has far more important things to do. Thank you for introducing a dose of realism and sanity. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 24, 2023 10:21:40 GMT
Even Trump appointed judges turned against him. And the USA doesn't really have a left, they have a centre and a right. Nothing particularly left wing, although the Dems are mad woke fools. Woke in itself is nothing like Arthur Scargill. We saw the political oppression, the violence and the partisan propaganda during the run up to the election. Whether they're brought by multinational corporations or not doesn't invalidate the collectivist vehicle that is the Left. I never said they wasn't corrupt. Multi national corporations are capitalists, lefties are anti-capitalist. The Dems are arseholes, but they're centrist arseholes, the Republicans have veered into hard right territory, Proud Boys etc. Armed militias who have guns for ideological reasons rather than practical. AR-15 loving loons who feared that Biden would disarm them. Rioters who smashed their way into the capitol and got Babbitt shot. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 24, 2023 10:40:37 GMT
We saw the political oppression, the violence and the partisan propaganda during the run up to the election. Whether they're brought by multinational corporations or not doesn't invalidate the collectivist vehicle that is the Left. I never said they wasn't corrupt. The Dems are arseholes, but they're centrist arseholes, the Republicans have veered into hard right territory, Proud Boys etc. The Republicans and the proud boys are two different groups. If you take a look at republican policy, it has not moved to the right. Trump's policies (for instance) look not entirely dissimilar to the offering Obama made for his first term office. The new factor is the emergence of bizarre 'open border' type, national suicide policies being followed by the Democrats. This is an escalation that has increased the tensions between the camps - one standing (more or less) still and the other veering so far off the map it looks like it has been hijacked by a cult. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 24, 2023 10:54:20 GMT
The Republicans were all too happy for the Proud Boys to riot for Trump.
The Democrats AND the Republicans are both awful.
Nobody can be trusted with power, but votes have to be respected.
Trump lost, lied incited a riot and Ashli died.
Man is a corrupt bought and paid for stooge for Putin.
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Post by Orac on Nov 24, 2023 11:14:18 GMT
The Republicans were all too happy for the Proud Boys to riot for Trump. Do you have an estimate for the amount of property damage caused by the 'Proud Boy riots' (btw -which i have never heard of)? the estimate for the BLM riots was about 2 billion USD |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 11:14:23 GMT
We saw the political oppression, the violence and the partisan propaganda during the run up to the election. Whether they're brought by multinational corporations or not doesn't invalidate the collectivist vehicle that is the Left. I never said they wasn't corrupt. Multi national corporations are capitalists, lefties are anti-capitalist. Leftism is known to be critical but clearly not against, and today in the west Marxists tend to embrace it as part of their destructive ideology toward western civilisation. More traditional lefties were for nationalisation, like the BNP and old Labour. I would also argue that you'd be hard pressed to find a full anti-Capitalist lefty in the UK, because they operated under the New Labour regime as rent-a-mobs for the Third Way.
Trump and co were more toward protectionism and opening up to perceived economic threats. The Dems appear to be driven by criminal cartels and sociopathic psychopaths.
I can't speak for every American, but again this appears to be protectionism and only by a few.
There were race riots all over the USA before the election during the Covid outbreak. SJWism controlled by the machines of power. The same powers that censored the president and lied about the reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 11:24:15 GMT
The Republicans were all too happy for the Proud Boys to riot for Trump. Do you have an estimate for the amount of property damage caused by the 'Proud Boy riots' (btw -which i have never heard of)? the estimate for the BLM riots was about 2 billion USD Come to think of it, neither have I. I heard that there was a bit of a ruck, but nothing that could be compared to the organised Marxist riots by Biden's lot, which were so big they even reached us over the pond. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 24, 2023 11:27:52 GMT
Do you have an estimate for the amount of property damage caused by the 'Proud Boy riots' (btw -which i have never heard of)? the estimate for the BLM riots was about 2 billion USD Come to think of it, neither have I. I heard that was a bit of a ruck, but nothing that could be compared to the organised Marxist riots by Biden's lot, which were so big they even reached us over the pond. As far as I know there was nothing more than a handful of minor 'physical altercations' that were more than 50% them being assaulted by various groups who seemed to be unaware of the first amendment. I don't recall any 'proud boy riots' |
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Except there's plenty of evidence for it - just as there is plenty of evidence for the EU's interference in our politics. 
