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Post by Orac on Nov 15, 2023 8:34:29 GMT
I'd rush out to the shops if I were you in case you find yourself without any tin foil. "The Police are still witch-hunting gender critical women" www.spiked-online.com/2023/11/13/the-police-are-still-witch-hunting-gender-critical-women/Read the article. You can be arrested in Soviet Britain for being factually and biologically correct, but if you do that and manage to offend someone in the process expect law enforcement to police your speech. From little things big things grow; pull your head out your arse! Indeed. You can substantially see what the future will be by looking dispassionately at current, settled trends. Nobody who wants to increase liberty or the accountability of authority and decision making is able to hold on to any power, anywhere for long - they sometimes end up with bank account closures. Note the police's refusal to do their job and their demands for spurious extra powers, also that society has been familiarised with the notion that their elected leaders are mere subjects to an external, unaccountable discretion. Only the most radical reform will stop a disaster now (imho) |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 15, 2023 8:55:37 GMT
A stonewalling poster ^^^ ha ha ha, you are so funny. More projection from the projector . ❤️ |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 15, 2023 9:13:05 GMT
Nadine Dorries's book refers to the case of IDS (Ian Duncan Smith) who was quite happy to tell his story ON the record. He said that he had gone through a very similar experience to Boris's where the "movement" had decided to get rid of him. He was subjected to threats from Dougie Smith and Cummings that he had to resign as party leader or be removed. When he declined to resign they then found various ways of discrediting him. IDS employed his wife Betsy to do work for him and she was on the payroll. So they made up lies about the amount she was paid and an enquiry was started. It was called Betsygate. IDS was completely vindicated but there was so much lies made up about him that he did resign.
IDS warned Boris that he should not employ Cummings or give Gove a job in govt or they'd oust him. Boris didn't take any notice and they (and Smith) eventually got rid of him. There was a similar attack on Boris (Partygate) which was a complete lie - Boris hadn't gone to any parties. In fact the parties actually occurred beneath Sunak's flat - not Boris's. But the lies were spread and the various bodies (including the civil service) that hate Boris were left to do Cummings and Gove's dirty work for them.
It's beyond doubt IMO that there is a group of people who seem to be affiliated to the EU who are intent on reversing Brexit - and Boris was their prime target initially. But of course it's now moving on to the other Brexiteers.
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 15, 2023 10:12:38 GMT
I remember when Boris was removed after a concerted campaign by the Establishment/Left - and Sunak was installed as PM despite no one having voted for him as PM and none of the Tory party membership either (they voted for Truss) - it was greeted by the likes of the BBC as "the adults returning to the room". So Boris was the "populist" and twats like Sunak were the adults. And I see the same characterisation is being used for the removal of Braverman and the recall of Cameron. It occurs to me that the term "adult" is being used to mean the Establishment and the term "populist" means children who don't know any better. So those who voted for Brexit are children and the people who have been installed to enforce the will of the Establishment are the adults. So the likes of Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, Boris and Liz Truss have been removed and replaced with Cameron, who doesn't even have any voice in Parliament and a person like Sunak who was categorically rejected as PM in a vote of Tory members. Well I spit on the "adults". Sunak is fucking useless and has just sacked the Home Secretary because she said what everyone knows to be true and Cameron was a quitter who was completely unwilling to enforce the vote of the people about Brexit. How useless can the Tory party get? Are any depths to which it won't sink. Nobody ‘votes’ for a prime minister. The position of Their Britannic Majesty's Prime Minister is now and always has been exclusively the gift of said sovereign although it has become an unwritten tradition that they appoint to the role the man or woman chosen by the majority political party in government to be the leader of that parliamentary party. It really does piss me off when people try to pretend the sovereign’s choice of Prime Minister has no credibility because the public didn’t vote for them. That’s not how it works. That’s not how it ever worked. The other point you make has rather more credibility. For some decades now the political parties have had a process where the leader of the parliamentary political party is chosen by mote thsn just a meeting of elected MP’s in the members bar and Sunak’s credibility is woefully inadequate on two counts, firstly that the process was not followed and the party membership were denied their voice, and secondly that the party membership had delivered their verdict quite resoundingly earlier, that an American influenced multi millionaire with s billionaire inheritance tax evading wife was NOT the man they wanted. Whilst the mockers and knockers are out in force today it remains the case that Braverman was given the job to paper over party cracks and Fishy Rishi has indeed caused a seismic event. Today i think Starmer is 30 points ahead and Braverman was by Paddy Power odds 6.5 to 1 to be Fishy’s replacement, behind Cleverley Mordant and another. What worries me more is Cameron the Pig Pleasurer is on 9.5 to 1 to get his old job back. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 15, 2023 10:26:59 GMT
Yes.
If what she is outlined is roughly honest, then she was likely kept on board to give the impression the 2019 Conservative party still existed and hadn't been entirely hijacked and re-purposed.
David Cameron, the man who played a not insignificant role in creating the problem that is now de-stabilising European politics is back have another 'go'. On the other side of politics, we have another horseman of the apocalypse - tony Blair - exerting substantial influence. I sometimes wonder if these two are distant cousins. We seem to have gained yet another turd that wont flush
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 15, 2023 13:58:25 GMT
You would be hard pressed to find many people that would call Boris an adult lol.
Sunak is boring and stable, which is ok for a PM, his main problem is the bunch of lunatics he shares the party with. Ditching Braverman was the right call... he just needs to drop the stupid Rwanda policy and sort out the Consultant / Junior Doctor strikes and then crack on with dull politics.
All these left wing muppets and media commentators who call the Tories populist need to a buy a fucking dictionary.
populist:
a person, especially a politician, who strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.
Hmmm, who does that label accurately... Starmer and basically everybody in the Labour shadow cabinet lol.
This is the problem with relying on labels instead of a positive vision...
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 15, 2023 14:04:18 GMT
JOG said: "Nobody ‘votes’ for a prime minister. The position of Their Britannic Majesty's Prime Minister is now and always has been exclusively the gift of said sovereign although it has become an unwritten tradition that they appoint to the role the man or woman chosen by the majority political party in government to be the leader of that parliamentary party."
Bollocks. We vote for a Prime Minister, and I'm bored with anyone trying to justify deposing a PM by saying anything else. The PM is the bloke who's going to make the decisions so you'd be an idiot to make your decision of party based on your local candidate. The only exception is when voting voting for the useless Lib Dems. Their party leader is obviously never going to be leader of the country so you vote for the candidate - and all Lib Dem candidates have different policies tailored to their constituency to take advantage of this.
I voted for Boris. If that c*** Sunak had been leader in 2019 I would never have voted Tory - and nor would most other people.
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Post by Hutchyns on Nov 15, 2023 14:32:04 GMT
JOG I am rather ashamed to have to admit that a forebear voted in the 1966 General Election for the Tory candidate Geoffrey Wilson, under the misapprehension that she was voting for Harold Wilson to become Labour Prime Minister.  |
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Post by Orac on Nov 15, 2023 14:39:55 GMT
Many people who voted Literal Democrat in nineties have a similar sad story.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 15:42:05 GMT
I'd rush out to the shops if I were you in case you find yourself without any tin foil. "The Police are still witch-hunting gender critical women" www.spiked-online.com/2023/11/13/the-police-are-still-witch-hunting-gender-critical-women/Read the article. You can be arrested in Soviet Britain for being factually and biologically correct, but if you do that and manage to offend someone in the process expect law enforcement to police your speech. From little things big things grow; pull your head out your arse! Sorry I dont buy into your conspiracy theories with their talk of gulags and all the rest. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 15, 2023 15:53:58 GMT
Sorry I dont buy into your conspiracy theories with their talk of gulags and all the rest. Of course you don't, however things happen slowly. Prince Harry was sent on a mandatory racial awareness and diversity course because he said the wrong thing. You probably think that is right and proper but then many in the Soviet Union thought it was right and proper to kill and dispossess the Kulaks. Some think it is right and proper to see members of legal political parties sacked from employment becasue their views are not in line with others. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 16:08:58 GMT
Sorry I dont buy into your conspiracy theories with their talk of gulags and all the rest. Your approval isn't required. All that matters is that the police are following an authoritarian far-left agenda. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 17:30:59 GMT
Sorry I dont buy into your conspiracy theories with their talk of gulags and all the rest. Of course you don't, however things happen slowly. Prince Harry was sent on a mandatory racial awareness and diversity course because he said the wrong thing. You probably think that is right and proper but then many in the Soviet Union thought it was right and proper to kill and dispossess the Kulaks. Some think it is right and proper to see members of legal political parties sacked from employment becasue their views are not in line with others. Are you seriously trying to equate criticism of racism with the killing of the Kulaks? When people have to invent such silly conspiracies to make their world view make sense, then they have clearly lost touch with reality. You and a few others around here frankly sound hysterical, and I dont mean funny. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 17:40:49 GMT
Sorry I dont buy into your conspiracy theories with their talk of gulags and all the rest. Your approval isn't required. All that matters is that the police are following an authoritarian far-left agenda. More absolute rubbish from you. Where is your evidence for an authoritarian far left guard in power? The left have not been anywhere near power for decades. And we have the misery and destitution now in our once great nation to prove it. Since 2010 there have been nothing but a bunch of ever more right wing headbangers really in charge, all in cahoots with a right wing media complex and business elite running the country in their own interests. They get away with this due to too many delusional twats lapping up what they are spoonfed. All that is wrong with this country is all somehow the fault of the left, or the EU, or liberal establishment conspiracies, or remainers. When in fact any sensible person can figure out that the state of the nation today lies at the door of those actually running it, not anybody but the ones in charge. Yet you and the others are becoming ever more obviously delusional because you cannot see that, you choose to believe the shite the wealthy elites tell you so it must be some other prats fault. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 17:55:24 GMT
Your approval isn't required. All that matters is that the police are following an authoritarian far-left agenda. More absolute rubbish from you. Where is your evidence for an authoritarian far left guard in power? The left have not been anywhere near power for decades. And we have the misery and destitution now in our once great nation to prove it. Since 2010 there have been nothing but a bunch of ever more right wing headbangers really in charge, all in cahoots with a right wing media complex and business elite running the country in their own interests. They get away with this due to too many delusional twats lapping up what they are spoonfed. All that is wrong with this country is all somehow the fault of the left, or the EU, or liberal establishment conspiracies, or remainers. When in fact any sensible person can figure out that the state of the nation today lies at the door of those actually running it, not anybody but the ones in charge. Yet you and the others are becoming ever more obviously delusional because you cannot see that, you choose to believe the shite the wealthy elites tell you so it must be some other prats fault. You're obviously very emotionally unstable and can't respond without being 100% abusive. This tallies with all I know about the far-left. The fact that the police are following an authoritarian far-left agenda is described in the article that upset you. YOu can scream, cuss, troll and spam all you like.
YOUR APPROVAL IS NOT REQUIRED.
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