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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 17:42:58 GMT
Lefties tend to use language and rhetoric better than right wingers . That’s why I call them out when they gaslight us…. a form of psychological manipulation in which the abuser attempts to sow self-doubt and confusion in their victim's mind. Typically, gaslighters are seeking to gain power and control over the other person, by distorting reality and forcing them to question their own judgment and intuition. It is the Sovietisation of the West whereby truth will be outlawed if it is not approved and very soon lies will be the new truth that people will have to utter, or at least not dispute, otherwise the Gulag awaits. I can example an obvious one. The religion of peace. Are you for real? In which parallel universe of your own imagination are gulags appearing? lol
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 17:46:47 GMT
It seems to me that something deep has changed, that the fuel of the left, wokery, socialism in all its guises, transgender, controlling the masses, shows no sign of abating, but is gaining in strength. Indeed todays events in the Tory party show that such are in complete control. I predict that even when the election comes, the left i include the Tories, will win hands down for more of the same. There will be no resurgence of common sense, of British values, there isnt now, and do you know why, the ordinary person believes in this horse shit. If the electorate was healthy there would be a revolution, there isnt one, and there wont be one. Those who post on here are older, have life experience, and can see the nonsense. Younger people, the political classes are influenced by social media etc, and cant read, watch Cheryl Cole videos, watch eastenders and watch the BBC. The average IQ is a 100. Turning a light on is a problem. What you are clearly alluding to is the fact that most people no longer believe some of the horse shit some of you older guys believe in. And you thus see it passing away with you. But for the most part it is because the younger generations are far more cosmopolitan and live and let live than you want them to be. And I am glad of that.
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 13, 2023 17:47:44 GMT
I have been removed and replaced with Cameron, who doesn't even have any voice in Parliament an None of you seemed to mind when 'Lord' Frost was a member of the cabinet.
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 13, 2023 17:50:38 GMT
Lefties tend to use language and rhetoric better than right wingers . That’s why I call them out when they gaslight us…. a form of psychological manipulation in which the abuser attempts to sow self-doubt and confusion in their victim's mind. Typically, gaslighters are seeking to gain power and control over the other person, by distorting reality and forcing them to question their own judgment and intuition. It is the Sovietisation of the West whereby truth will be outlawed if it is not approved and very soon lies will be the new truth that people will have to utter, or at least not dispute, otherwise the Gulag awaits. I can example an obvious one. The religion of peace. Gulags await? Britain and Spain currently imprison more of their citizens than any other country in Western Europe. Are you saying it's about to get worse? Do you anticipate US incarceration levels?
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Post by Bentley on Nov 13, 2023 18:10:19 GMT
Lefties tend to use language and rhetoric better than right wingers . That’s why I call them out when they gaslight us…. a form of psychological manipulation in which the abuser attempts to sow self-doubt and confusion in their victim's mind. Typically, gaslighters are seeking to gain power and control over the other person, by distorting reality and forcing them to question their own judgment and intuition. In other words they have better logical arguments than you do, lol. Did you fall off of your chair after the first sentence ?lol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 18:16:38 GMT
In other words they have better logical arguments than you do, lol. Did you fall off of your chair after the first sentence ?lol. If you are thinking of launching a career in stand up comedy, I'd hang on to the day job for now if I were you.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 13, 2023 18:19:09 GMT
Did you fall off of your chair after the first sentence ?lol. If you are thinking of launching a career in stand up comedy, I'd hang on to the day job for now if I were you. I could never compete with you as a clown or a comic ,MrA but thanks for the advice 👍
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 13, 2023 19:03:06 GMT
What you are clearly alluding to is the fact that most people no longer believe some of the horse shit some of you older guys believe in. I agree. You've only to read RedRum, See2 or Dappys stuff to see that. Mind you, I'm not sure that many people ever believed in that drivel.
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Post by Orac on Nov 13, 2023 19:14:35 GMT
Better arguments don't equate to better positions.
In my experience, a very badly presented position is very often the one with the most truth. When someone leaves bus sized holes in their argument, it's often because the position is so strong it can defended without effort or attention.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 19:32:53 GMT
What you are clearly alluding to is the fact that most people no longer believe some of the horse shit some of you older guys believe in. I agree. You've only to read RedRum, See2 or Dappys stuff to see that. Mind you, I'm not sure that many people ever believed in that drivel. Not naming any names but you will know of whom I speak. For he inhabits a mythical land in his own head, full of sunlit uplands, with galloping unicorns and sweet bunnies frolicking in the meadows of permanent early May election sunshine. Where things can only get better and it is forever 1997. In which land we all lived happily ever after. Until the wicked forces from the depths of hell - aka the Tories - trampled paradise underfoot, and the people were led astray from the path of righteousness we had been led to by the blessed Tony.. And now, the new messiah lies in wait to deliver us from evil and back to the glorious land of 1997 again. When Blur, Oasis, and the Spice Girls rise again from career death, we will know that the second coming is upon us. And his name is Keir. 1997 will be here again and we can all live happily ever after once more in the new paradise. For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, for ever and ever , amen.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 13, 2023 20:31:22 GMT
It is the Sovietisation of the West whereby truth will be outlawed if it is not approved and very soon lies will be the new truth that people will have to utter, or at least not dispute, otherwise the Gulag awaits. I can example an obvious one. The religion of peace. Are you for real? In which parallel universe of your own imagination are gulags appearing? lol It is a prediction that crimes will become more and more based on thoughts and that there will be a proper way to converse and a proper truth and other opinions will be disinformation and punishable in some way (which was what the Gulags were). It does not have to be identical, it only has to work in the same way. We can see the beginnings of it and how keen those who think the collective way are to punish in some way those who disagree with the collective and 'correct way'. Lockdown was an eyeopener and a beginning whereby freedoms once held as inviolable were cast aside with commensurate ease and with the support of many who are supposed to be the liberal, freedom loving left. Now we have Blair standing on the sidelines he who wishes vaccine passports yet refused to tell the public as regards the vaccine status of his own son when he was advising directly all parents to have the MMR jab. Do not be lulled by their false blandishments, direct control is the end game.
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 14, 2023 7:34:49 GMT
Are you for real? In which parallel universe of your own imagination are gulags appearing? lol It is a prediction that crimes will become more and more based on thoughts and that there will be a proper way to converse and a proper truth and other opinions will be disinformation and punishable in some way (which was what the Gulags were). It does not have to be identical, it only has to work in the same way. We can see the beginnings of it and how keen those who think the collective way are to punish in some way those who disagree with the collective and 'correct way'. Lockdown was an eyeopener and a beginning whereby freedoms once held as inviolable were cast aside with commensurate ease and with the support of many who are supposed to be the liberal, freedom loving left. Now we have Blair standing on the sidelines he who wishes vaccine passports yet refused to tell the public as regards the vaccine status of his own son when he was advising directly all parents to have the MMR jab. Do not be lulled by their false blandishments, direct control is the end game. It's already beginning to happen, you can be charged for being biologically and factually correct by the police when calling a transwoman a man, especially if they report it. You can also see the other cheek when Hamas supporters take to the streets and intimidate and physically assault those who oppose their support, then cart the victims off from the scene of the crime. With this sovietisation, British values, tradition and culture has already gone down the gurgler I'm afraid, Starmer will be along shortly to put a plug on it.
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 14, 2023 8:23:14 GMT
Basically it looks like Tory party have sidelined almost everyone who supported Brexit. Our MPs NEVER accepted that the will of the people was to leave the EU. But it looks like there's some higher power operating here. Sunak is obviously a puppet and Cameron has been installed as the "adult" to control the party.
Braverman had to go because she was saying that if the Supreme Court rejected the Rwanda plan she wanted to leave the ECHR. I'm guessing that tomorrow the court will say we can't send illegals to Rwanda. And Cleverly has already said that he doesn't want to leave the ECHR. So that's the end of any chance of stopping the boats. And no one is going to speak out against all the law breaking on the weekly marches so this'll just continue as anti-semitism is accepted as normal in Britain.
I'm just wondering who the puppet master is now. I'm sure the EU is in there somewhere - they still exert a huge amount of influence in our politics despite the fact that they shouldn't. I'd like to see how many of the Establishment are on their payroll. In particular I'm wondering if Nadine Dorries's "Dr No" is someone from the EU. She's said that he's someone who it is "dangerous" to upset - which is why she won't name him.
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Post by see2 on Nov 14, 2023 8:37:59 GMT
It's pretty intractable. For instance, See2 seems unable to visualise that, as he doesn't support the conservative party and isn't a conservative, it would not be normally expected that he supports the leadership Conservatives select. As far as he is concerned, it would better if every political party were controlled by people with his opinions. It's a serious imagination problem. No, that is nonsense, I was and am attacking the levels of dishonest propaganda and insinuation by the Tory party, they are IMO the experts at it and in my experience over the last 60 years, it has in the main worked for them. I would think that you cannot have failed to notice the levels of insults and denigration thrown at Labour over many months by some posters on this forum. I don't have a single fixed idea on politics but I do think the electorate missed the boat on New Labour. I have voted Conservative in the last 8 years. I do prefer the center-left and center-right areas of politics. I can't stand naive fools and IMO Corbyn was one, I can't stand to an even greater degree extremists of either the Left or the Right.
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Post by see2 on Nov 14, 2023 8:43:34 GMT
The political winners on propaganda, lies and insinuations is without doubt the Conservatives. Aided and abetted of course by the Tory press. There was so much of it going on on this forum I made a point of pointing it out for a while, in the quite recent past. No it’s not . It’s just your biased opinion. TBH very few take any notice of what you point out . No that is your biased opinion projected onto me.
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