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Post by thomas on Jan 31, 2024 8:25:52 GMT
It did. Who has argued otherwise? All the parties were saying austerity was over a year before the 2019 general election. Corbyn was especially against it , both may and Johnson turned on the spending taps , for example may increased spending on the nhs after years of decline under Cameron and Osbourne so what are you gibbering about now? If austerity is a weapon Corbyn failed to take advantage of because it had ended in 2019 , then why is starmer saying he won't turn on the spending taps, and is flip flopping as usual on his intent to implement more austerity despite being urged not to by union officials ? you do talk some utter rubbish. Austerity Is Labour’s Choice
But this message has yet to reach Sir Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves, who seem intent upon resurrecting an austerity politics pronounced dead by none other than Boris Johnson.
But the new Labour leadership can’t even be accused of blowing wherever the wind takes them. Instead, they seem intent on pushing conservative economic policies even when the general public supports much more radical ones.
tribunemag.co.uk/2023/08/austerity-is-labours-choice
So to sum up your latest lame argument about Corbyn in 2019 ( if I understand your gibberish correct) Corbyn lost the weapon of attacking the hated tory austerity hence why he lost the election , but keir starmer is going to implement austerity and win the next election ? the mind boggles. Exactly, i.e. austerity was no longer a minus in the minds of the electorate. so you are now implying people think austerity is a positive , and that starmer is fully intent on continuing/furthering austerity ? Brilliant stuff see 2. You would never make a Labour Party spin doctor. I dont think the party could withstand the negative press . |
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Post by thomas on Jan 31, 2024 8:40:57 GMT
I agree. The same though applies to you and your wishful thinking. The problem you and those like you have Steve is you think all of the uk ills are due to Brexit , and will miraculously heal by rejoining ( lets use rejoin , and not get hung up on starmers BRINO). I say the vast majority of issues plaguing the uk were already there , and were part of the long terms decline of the uk , and the Brexit was merely a symptom of that decline , not the cause of it. The massive damage to the perception of the uk as a regional power , and of course the loss of reputation , by begging to go back to the EU in my opinion would be enormous. It won't just be Farage screaming about the damage. Putin in Russia will be mocking the uk , the europeans themselves will then know who master and servant is , and the uk ability to demand concessions regarding opt outs will be non existent. You will have to sit at the back of the EU class as other members snigger at you , frightened to put a foot out of line in case the EU throw you back out. you may get access to the single market , and eu trade deals around the globe , but you will pay a heavy price for the privilege. You can't undo the damage by rejoining the EU. You made a statement to the world , wether you personally agreed with it or not in 2016 , the majority voted out , and if you back down now , you will be seen as cowardly and completely spineless. From the football terraces , to the corridors of power worldwide , you will be mocked relentlessly. That's an inescapable fact. Actually you are wrong on two counts. Firstly I do not think that all of the UK's ills are down to Brexit. Many of them predate it and have been developing for decades, in many ways long term damage caused by the thatcherite consensus, in which both main parties have been complicit. Brexit has just made some of these problems even worse is all. Reversing it alone will not solve them. And secondly you are mistaking what I think will happen with what I want to happen. I would like Brexit to be a roaring success with all of us getting better off as a result. That is what I want to happen. But it is not what I think will happen. Time will tell though. If it becomes glaringly obvious over time that Brexit is proving to be a roaring success, I myself will become one of many former Remain voters who will change my mind. The evidence for this happening is far from conclusive yet, however, to say the least. dont agree. We have had this conversation before , especially about scotland , where you seem to cherry pick Margaret thatcher as some historical go to point for when many of the uks ills began.You conveniently ignore the old labour parties compliance in much of what happened . Thatcher didnt help in many ways , but you can't ignore the massive damage the labour government of the nineteen seventies did to the uk , of which thatcher was the inevitable reaction to in many ways. If I remember correct though , regarding Brexit , thatcher was originally pro European community ,but anti European federal state. She preferring to be inside the European tent pissing out than in. Im not sure she would have been behind the Brexit that is currently on offer . Having said that , I also think she would have been pragmatic to accept the vote of the uk , and would have recognised the reputational damage of the uk begging to crawl back into the EU under some shady Labour Party BRINO. well we will see Steve. The massive repetitional damage of crawling back into Europe , not to mention the lack of a new rebate , acceptance de facto of the euro , reimposition of the hated freedom of movement and all the rest might be too much for many to swallow. Depends what starmer does. We go back though to the old debates post Brexit , regarding the uk relationship with the EU. The old rule of the closer you are to the single market the more rules you take , the further away from the single market , the less still stands firm today as it did 8 years ago. No one can possibly argue starmer will set things back to pre 2016 before the eu referendum took place. Those days are gone , and it looks like damage limitation from labours perspective . BRINO will still mean you are worse off than you were before , only on top of that , you will be a laughing stock around the world. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 2, 2024 10:41:16 GMT
This one could get interesting... Former Labour MP Simon Danczuk switches to Nigel Farage's Reform for Rochdale byelection...
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Post by om15 on Feb 2, 2024 12:52:33 GMT
Reading that he does come across as a bit odd, Reform need to be careful, it won't do them any good to be associated with other parties rejects and folk with strange tastes.
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 2, 2024 3:25:52 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 2, 2024 6:28:59 GMT
good
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