Tory voters are deserting to Reform UK - not Labour

The Support for Corbyn dropped because the Chap hit the Fan .

In May 2019, the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) launched an inquiry into whether Labour had "unlawfully discriminated against, harassed or victimised people because they are Jewish."

In my opinion that was the main reason for the drop in Corbyn Support it's more than a quintessence.especially seeing it been a year since the 2016 referendum and like you said there was a Massive drop between the 2017 Ando 2019 vote.

 The claims of anti semitism within labour began almost as soon as Corbyn became leader in 2015. So the anti semitism claims , and subsequent report , which was there before Corbyn almost won in 2017 , and a report which came out ten months after he lost in 2019 , does not in any way explain labour losing 2 half million voters between the two elections Corbyn contested as leader.

 The puerile starmer led Brexit strategy does though. 


 Anti-Semitism was generally not regarded as a big problem in the Labour Party before Jeremy Corbyn's election as leader in September 2015. 

 Under his leadership, there was an influx of new members, many of whom were vocal critics of Israel and who believed the UK, along with the US, should be tougher towards Israel, especially regarding its policies towards the Palestinians and its building of settlements in the occupied territories. 

 www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45030552 

 Ever since his shock election to the Labour leadership in 2015, Jeremy Corbyn has been dogged by allegations of “antisemitism. 

 jacobin.com/2019/10/labour-party-antisemitism-claims-jeremy-corbyn 

 They estimate that between 1 November 2016 and 19 February 2018, while Iain McNicol was general secretary, the GLU received more than 300 complaints of antisemitism, at least half of which the report’s authors believe warranted action 

 www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/were-labours-antisemitism-failures-really-corbyns-fault/ 


 This also doesn't mention the high profile anti semitic claims made against naz shah , and of course ken Livingstone all prior to the 2017 general election , which Corbyn nearly won much to the blairites dismay .

 So to suggest all of a sudden in December 2019 that two half million voters suddenly realised there had been suggestions of anti semitism in the Labour Party and didnt vote labour accordingly is absolute blairite fucking nonsense of the highest order. 

 The amount of claims being made in the Labour Party of anti semitism in 2017 alone prompted the party to recategorise anti semtism as hate speech and a disciplinary matter , but that didnt stop Corbyn nearly winning the election that year did it?

anti semitism article about labour 5 months before the 2017 general election. Claims blairite party officials had been working to overthrow Corbyn since he was elected in 2015 , using anti semitism claims as a method. I mean its fucking laughable these starmer supporters re writing history.

let me translate this latest gibber of yours. You are telling me because of austerity , Corbyn took loads votes as his hard left vision was lapped up by a flagging electorate , but not in 2019? You do realise Corbyn led both elections dont you see 2? Are you saying Corbyn went right wing in 2019? 

There are no such people as "blairite party officials". The reference might refer to the moderate center-Left members.

Corbyn referred to Hamas and Hezbollah as "friends". Both are groups of anti-Israeli terrorists. You trying to rewrite history is "fucking laughable".

Starmer appears to be centre-Left and Blair was very very obviously center-Left, idiots like yourself are too full of crap propaganda from the right to be able to see the obvious. The hard-Left don't like Starmer, and the Conservatives fear a repeat of successive defeats in elections if Starmer are even half as successful as Blair. 

Neal Lawson was expelled, if he was, (he was given 14 days to explain his position, and apparently didn't) because he wanted to change the face of politics at a time when Labour were just trying to get elected after 12+ years out of office and needed all influential members pulling in the same direction. He had some good ideas, some of which, like greater cooperation with other parties, as mentioned with the Greens, could have been accommodated after Labour were in office. To do it before an election would have sent a confused message to the electorate.

There were Labour members who were strongly against Corbyn, it happens in political parties that are made up of differing areas of opinion. IIRC there were some Tories who criticised Boris.

No I do not think Brexiteers will take it lying down and I wouldn't in any case trust Starmer with anything. And I too suspect the polls will narrow as the election nears but I have few clues as to whether that will be by enough of a margin to make much difference or not. I hope so because as I have said many times my main hopes are pinned on a hung parliament.

But re the Brexiteers. There are fewer of them now than there were in 2016. Heavily concentrated as they were in the older age groups, far more Brexit supporters than Remainers have simply died in the 8 years since. And polling evidence lately has been tending to show that some of those who remain have changed their minds.

So the tide of opinion is running against Brexit in the long run and is unlikely to reverse unless Brexit comes to be recognised as a roaring success. At some point the New Labourites behind Starmer will seek to tie us much more closely to the EU. Most remaining Brexit supporters would never vote Labour anyway so he might feel he has more to gain than lose. But of oourse dont expect him to be honest about any of it up front unless the focus groups and media like it.