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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 16:32:07 GMT
clearly nonsense. Snp in scotland , won elections in both fptp Westminster seats , and proportional system for the scot parliament.They are the democratically elected government. Northern Ireland similar with their alternative parties. The vast majority of the uk dont like labour or tory , but are in the undemocratic situation of having both these parties foisted on them with at times barely a fifth of the electorate supporting them. If you can't see how this destabilises democracy , and that the longer it goes on the worse things are getting , then more fool you . You completely failed to Answer my question with that Jiberish reply. Don't The SNP and The NI DLP party win seats in the HOC with the First past the.post system you Call undemocratic. Like I've said plenty of times No one in England will vote a far right or Far left into Governance of Britain. That's why Corbyn sufferd such a heavy defeat in the 2019 Election and Farage what ever party he stands for that party fails to get one seat in the HOC same goes for the BNP. I completey answered your silly question , but I can't understand the answer for you. If you think it democracy that four fiths of the uk electorate dont support labour , won't vote them , but labour wins a landslide on a tiny turnout , then crack on. labour will have the weakest democratic mandate in uk electoral history .
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Post by sheepy on Jan 27, 2024 16:44:35 GMT
The Tories already made a good head start, he will just take the next steps, it isn't for me, it is for you. Thanks sheepy. Do you think you will ever live it down , being dragged back in to do penitence to Brussels? Vlad has been on the phone about Ukraine , he says he won't discuss terms with the monkeys in London , he wants to speak with the bosses in Brussels. What do you think ? will you be using euros in a couple of years at the shop? Probably not Thomas, but the main thing is, you get what you want. You have been treated abysmally by the SNP, used as a weapon of mass destruction to coin it in and rob you all blind, probably the least I can do is give you something you want, I accept you are closer to your friends in France than you are the English. It just so happens you want the same thing as the Westminster party establishment who would sell their granny if they thought it would get them an extra tenner. I say enjoy your victory.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 27, 2024 16:58:30 GMT
Like I said the remain Camp had all sorts of political allowance what you proven by you stating that Remain at the time delayed the inforcement of leaving the EU. Boris the lier won the 2019 Election on the promise he get Brexit done. Know we have Brexitears moaning that Brexit isn't Enforced because of the Currant Conservative government that has a Marjoity In HOC. You really Can't make it up. dont want to hear any more excuse lefty. You were involved in a referendum like the rest of us , you lost , and didnt want to take your medicine. Keir starmer and labour were clearly anti democrats , and couldnt take defeat. Even the liberals made labour look bad by laughing at labour in parliament when milliband at the time opposed people having a democratic say on eu membership such is labours cowardice. You keep ignoring the fact that the Remain party had tory backers has well but like always with your right wing views you put it on labour . And do you mean that labour and the Remainers.was undemocratic because they called for another Referendum? The Remain lost the EU Referendum by a minority margin of 4% wouldn't that mean that the Scots Nats who keep calling for independence even when they lost 2 Referendums on Independence by a larger Margin wouldn't that make. Them Even more undemocratic? Like I said you have twisted political Views.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 27, 2024 17:05:13 GMT
You completely failed to Answer my question with that Jiberish reply. Don't The SNP and The NI DLP party win seats in the HOC with the First past the.post system you Call undemocratic. Like I've said plenty of times No one in England will vote a far right or Far left into Governance of Britain. That's why Corbyn sufferd such a heavy defeat in the 2019 Election and Farage what ever party he stands for that party fails to get one seat in the HOC same goes for the BNP. I completey answered your silly question , but I can't understand the answer for you. If you think it democracy that four fiths of the uk electorate dont support labour , won't vote them , but labour wins a landslide on a tiny turnout , then crack on. labour will have the weakest democratic mandate in uk electoral history . So it's labour fault that tories don't turn out to for a Conservative government again . They obviously don't see the tories has a credible Alternative like they didnt in the 2005 & 2007 Elections. When Labour won both Elections with a landslide victory.
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 17:15:32 GMT
dont want to hear any more excuse lefty. You were involved in a referendum like the rest of us , you lost , and didnt want to take your medicine. Keir starmer and labour were clearly anti democrats , and couldnt take defeat. Even the liberals made labour look bad by laughing at labour in parliament when milliband at the time opposed people having a democratic say on eu membership such is labours cowardice. You keep ignoring the fact that the Remain party had tory backers has well but like always with your right wing views you put it on labour . And do you mean that labour and the Remainers.was undemocratic because they called for another Referendum? The Remain lost the EU Referendum by a minority margin of 4% wouldn't that mean that the Scots Nats who keep calling for independence even when they lost 2 Referendums on Independence by a larger Margin wouldn't that make. Them Even more undemocratic? Like I said you have twisted political Views. where have I ignored anything regarding tories backing remain ? Stop making things up. The tories can I remind you implemented Brexit. some tories supported remain. Your party though , not only tried to overturn democracy , but tried to shite on the back of the 62 % labour constituencies who voted Brexit in the red wall , with predictable consequences in 2019 .
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 17:17:40 GMT
I completey answered your silly question , but I can't understand the answer for you. If you think it democracy that four fiths of the uk electorate dont support labour , won't vote them , but labour wins a landslide on a tiny turnout , then crack on. labour will have the weakest democratic mandate in uk electoral history . So it's labour fault that tories don't turn out to for a Conservative government again . They obviously don't see the tories has a credible Alternative like they didnt in the 2005 & 2007 Elections. When Labour won both Elections with a landslide victory. does it ever occur to you to think before replying? turnouts being predicted average around 50 % .If it is that low , does it not concern you that so many people are switched off labour and tory politics and the current system they won't go out to vote?
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 27, 2024 18:23:37 GMT
So it's labour fault that tories don't turn out to for a Conservative government again . They obviously don't see the tories has a credible Alternative like they didnt in the 2005 & 2007 Elections. When Labour won both Elections with a landslide victory. does it ever occur to you to think before replying? turnouts being predicted average around 50 % .If it is that low , does it not concern you that so many people are switched off labour and tory politics and the current system they won't go out to vote? Like I said it's not labour fault that the voting public don't see the Tories has a Alternative to the Labour party. If has your say they don't turn up to vote because they don't see Labour or the tories has a viable option for Government. They have plenty of so called Alternatives like Reform. Or whatever name they come under in the Past Also BNP. Communist party or the Greens .All the later 3 failed to get one seat in Elections. Except the Greens. There also independent Candidates. Not excuses for people not to get of there Lazy bums and vote.
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 18:42:45 GMT
does it ever occur to you to think before replying? turnouts being predicted average around 50 % .If it is that low , does it not concern you that so many people are switched off labour and tory politics and the current system they won't go out to vote? Like I said it's not labour fault that the voting public don't see the Tories has a Alternative to the Labour party. The point is , four fifths of the public dont see labour as a credible government .I can't think of anything more damning to point out to you after 14 years of a tory shitshow , at Westminster ,and the uk electorate still dont want labour. That to me speaks volumes.......
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 27, 2024 18:54:35 GMT
You keep ignoring the fact that the Remain party had tory backers has well but like always with your right wing views you put it on labour . And do you mean that labour and the Remainers.was undemocratic because they called for another Referendum? The Remain lost the EU Referendum by a minority margin of 4% wouldn't that mean that the Scots Nats who keep calling for independence even when they lost 2 Referendums on Independence by a larger Margin wouldn't that make. Them Even more undemocratic? Like I said you have twisted political Views. where have I ignored anything regarding tories backing remain ? Stop making things up. The tories can I remind you implemented Brexit. some tories supported remain. Your party though , not only tried to overturn democracy , but tried to shite on the back of the 62 % labour constituencies who voted Brexit in the red wall , with predictable consequences in 2019 . Yes mainly labour voters did turn out to vote leave like I keep saying the Referendum crossed all party lines. Has for the Conservative bringing in Brexit that's because Boris Johnson told lies like he did in the Referendum and people were very Gullible and believed him. Even with a Majority repercentive of Brexiter in HOC many Brexiters say that the government arnt. Brexiters many on here share that opinion. Reform.say that the Conservative government arnt real Brexiters but there topsy-turvy on whether to Stand. In Conservative constanties.because it would Split the tory votes That just shows what Brexit really means to them.. Has for the disastrous 2019 vote for labour that's more to do with the labour voters not willing to vote for far.left corbyn labour party plus them being Anti semitic. There that I's going to bear out with a possible labour landslide victory. And the return of the 20 × red wall seates even with Sir Keir. Wanting to have a strong relationships with the EU
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 19:00:29 GMT
where have I ignored anything regarding tories backing remain ? Stop making things up. The tories can I remind you implemented Brexit. some tories supported remain. Your party though , not only tried to overturn democracy , but tried to shite on the back of the 62 % labour constituencies who voted Brexit in the red wall , with predictable consequences in 2019 . Yes mainly labour voters did turn out to vote leave like I keep saying the Referendum crossed all party lines. they did. Who has said the referendum didnt cross party lines in terms of voters? Again , you diverge onto things no one has claimed. The point is the Labour Party leadership , and keir starmer , did not agree with their own Brexit supporting voters , never mind others , and tried to overturn a democratic vote by stalling and attempting to stop Brexit.
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 19:03:20 GMT
where have I ignored anything regarding tories backing remain ? Stop making things up. The tories can I remind you implemented Brexit. some tories supported remain. Your party though , not only tried to overturn democracy , but tried to shite on the back of the 62 % labour constituencies who voted Brexit in the red wall , with predictable consequences in 2019 . Has for the disastrous 2019 vote for labour that's more to do with the labour voters not willing to vote for far. rubbish. Brexit was the key issue in the 2019 general election .Labour nearly won the 2017 election , with Corbyn in charge , so why the dramatic fall in support in 2019? ...because sir keir starmer , one of Corby's main generals , decided labours disastrous Brexit policy which went down like a lead ballon with voters sick to death. of starmers desperate attempts to stop Brexit in parliament with other remainers over a three year period.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 27, 2024 20:37:47 GMT
Has for the disastrous 2019 vote for labour that's more to do with the labour voters not willing to vote for fnew ar. rubbish. Brexit was the key issue in the 2019 general election .Labour nearly won the 2017 election , with Corbyn in charge , so why the dramatic fall in support in 2019? ...because sir keir starmer , one of Corby's main generals , decided labours disastrous Brexit policy which went down like a lead ballon with voters sick to death. of starmers desperate attempts to stop Brexit in parliament with other remainers over a three year period. Haha nearly won but didn't after at that point the Country was suffering from Public funding cuts of 5yr and 1yr after Brexit still not being impermented . Your having a laugh arnt you seeing you failed to answer another question about Scotland. Nats rule . If you're saying that the Remainers.was undemocratic for calling for another. Referendum again after losing by a minority 4% what does that make Scottish Nats persistent calling for a independent Scotland Referendum after losing 2 Referendums by a bigger Majority then remain got in 2006. And like I said the prove is in the pudding with labour on course to.win the next election with a landslide and return of 20+ Red wall seats. Even though sir Keir wanting a closer relationship with the EU. Also didn't Scotland first minster call for a referendum. Talk about double standard Hyprocy your full of it. And don't you see your failcy in your Agreement by saying labour and reamain lost the 2007 election because Sir Keir And labour denying Brexit to be impermented .Are you forgetting your Chum.Corbyn was labours leader lol. And in.2005 election no equality commission found Corbyn labour party of Anti semictsism And Corbyn far left supports called the finding a Zionist fit up. Take you're head for a wobble.
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Post by thomas on Jan 28, 2024 10:30:54 GMT
rubbish. Brexit was the key issue in the 2019 general election .Labour nearly won the 2017 election , with Corbyn in charge , so why the dramatic fall in support in 2019? ...because sir keir starmer , one of Corby's main generals , decided labours disastrous Brexit policy which went down like a lead ballon with voters sick to death. of starmers desperate attempts to stop Brexit in parliament with other remainers over a three year period. Haha nearly won but didn't after at that point the Country was suffering from Public funding cuts of 5yr and 1yr after Brexit still not being impermented . you claimed no one voted labour in 2019 because of hard left Corbyn , or some other such rubbish. I pointed out a mere two years previous , hard left Corbyn and labour were within 2.3% points of the tory vote , and came close to winning the general election ? So what changed between Corbyn promising to enact Brexit in 2017 , and starmers ill fated anti Brexit for labour stance in 2019? I will leave those who aren't buttered up the back cult followers of new labour to decide..................
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Post by witchfinder on Jan 28, 2024 13:56:09 GMT
Something in my mind tells me that the correlation between Brexit and why Labour did so badly in the 2019 general election surely does not add up.
The margin between Leave and Remain was less than 4 points, with Remain on 48.1 and Leave on 51.9, yet the Conservatives achieved an 11 point win over Labour in a general election three years later, and incidentally at a time when according to polls, the gap between Remain and Leave had narrowed.
Me thinks there were other issues which influenced the 2019 result, not that Brexit was not amongst the issues, but seems it was not the decisive issue.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 28, 2024 14:21:01 GMT
Something in my mind tells me that the correlation between Brexit and why Labour did so badly in the 2019 general election surely does not add up. The margin between Leave and Remain was less than 4 points, with Remain on 48.1 and Leave on 51.9, yet the Conservatives achieved an 11 point win over Labour in a general election three years later, and incidentally at a time when according to polls, the gap between Remain and Leave had narrowed. Me thinks there were other issues which influenced the 2019 result, not that Brexit was not amongst the issues, but seems it was not the decisive issue. Yes. The referendum was never a left right issue. There were a couple of big factors, the paralysis over Brexit was one, but Labour's manifesto, it's left wing leader and too split a vote were also issues. The UK actually voted for left wing parties in 2019, but ended up with a Tory majority of 80.
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