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Post by buccaneer on Nov 17, 2023 9:09:29 GMT
If you didn't want to answer the question you could have just said: Back at those wonderful Jews Israelis again then, neither side is exactly tightly wrapped. Just a fact you think you can ignore, by spouting its all about being anti-Jewish. As I said a blind man could see by all the previous evidence neither side is tightly wrapped. So, why do you skirt the hypocrisy accusation? |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 17, 2023 9:10:29 GMT
Just a fact you think you can ignore, by spouting its all about being anti-Jewish. As I said a blind man could see by all the previous evidence neither side is tightly wrapped. So, why do you skirt the hypocrisy accusation? Because you made it up as being some kind of secret weapon, neither side is tightly wrapped. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 17, 2023 9:11:14 GMT
So, why do you skirt the hypocrisy accusation? Because you made it up as being some kind of secret weapon, neither side is tightly wrapped. Please elaborate on this wrapping. I find it amazing that you can make the generalisation that Muslims should be able to affect change and undermine British culture (of which no ordinary British citizen was involved with, much like the poor Palestinians), to the point it becomes severely fractured and incohesive where values are concerned, because you claim this is what Westerners initially did beforehand in order to destroy Muslim cultures. Yet, You don't think it is justifiable for a nation to defend and retaliate against an elected hostile state that is a proscribed terrorist organisation that has caused one of the worst atrocities towards Jew since the Holocaust. Help me understand your rationale here |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 17, 2023 9:12:13 GMT
When I was in the Middle East, I didn't look at their culture and think I need to change their culture, I respected I was in a completely different country with their own culture. In fact I met some people who would make sure you didn't die of thirst in the middle of a desert. Even though obviously I was from a completely different culture. I couldn't agree more. On arrival at the dustbowl known as Dhahran international airport, we were ushered into a hangar and read the riot act. We were told we were Christians in an Islamic country and as such we must at all times respect their laws, customs and traditions, the penalty for not doing so could be dire. We had no problem with that. If that's the way they do things in their country, fine. You know what's comming don't you. Back in the UK I quickly discovered that I still had to be careful what I said in order not to offend Muslims. I was seriously confused. I was no longer in Saudi, I was back home in the non Islamic UK. Yet I still had to be careful what I said in case I offended Muslims! What the fuck is going on? I respected their traditions in their country, and they shit on my traditions in my country, if I complain I'm a racist, an Islamophobe. As I said previously, if outraged lefties spent some time in an Islamic shit tip they might appreciate this country a bit more, and hopefully not be so epically clueless. I live in hope rather than expectation. And your proposals are for what should we do with the millions of Muslims who are in this country living their life in the way they want? |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 17, 2023 9:16:02 GMT
Because you made it up as being some kind of secret weapon, neither side is tightly wrapped. Please elaborate on this wrapping. It would be pointless, it has been gone over with tons of evidence millions of times. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 17, 2023 9:17:27 GMT
I couldn't agree more. On arrival at the dustbowl known as Dhahran international airport, we were ushered into a hangar and read the riot act. We were told we were Christians in an Islamic country and as such we must at all times respect their laws, customs and traditions, the penalty for not doing so could be dire. We had no problem with that. If that's the way they do things in their country, fine. You know what's comming don't you. Back in the UK I quickly discovered that I still had to be careful what I said in order not to offend Muslims. I was seriously confused. I was no longer in Saudi, I was back home in the non Islamic UK. Yet I still had to be careful what I said in case I offended Muslims! What the fuck is going on? I respected their traditions in their country, and they shit on my traditions in my country, if I complain I'm a racist, an Islamophobe. As I said previously, if outraged lefties spent some time in an Islamic shit tip they might appreciate this country a bit more, and hopefully not be so epically clueless. I live in hope rather than expectation. And your proposals are for what should we do with the millions of Muslims who are in this country living their life in the way they want? Make it absolutely crystal clear that the UK is not an Islamic country, if they don't like that they should be encouraged to relocate, perhaps to an Islamic country. Of course, they're not that stupid are they. It's us who are the mugs. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 17, 2023 9:19:07 GMT
And your proposals are for what should we do with the millions of Muslims who are in this country living their life in the way they want? Make it absolutely crystal clear that the UK is not an Islamic country, if they don't like that they should be encouraged to relocate, perhaps to an Islamic country. Of course, they're not that stupid are they. It's us who are the mugs. Oh right so basically we just throw them out, I see a bit of a problem with that as well, don't you? |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 17, 2023 9:20:29 GMT
If clueless lefties who have grown up in this liberal easy going democracy visited Iran, or Pakistan, or Saudi or many other Islamic shit tips, they might understand why people who know what they are talking about do not want Islam in the UK. I vividly remember the religious police hitting people with canes, including women and children, as they were forced into a market square to watch a public beheading. This was sharia law in action, this is what 40% of Muslims in this non Islamic country want. 20 years ago it was 10%. As someone once said, we must be mad, litterally mad. Oppressing a religious minority would make us more, not less like those regimes. Islamists are a religious minority, a homophobic murderous religious minority, but a religious minority nonetheless. And it would be insane to appease them. Human lives matter, their delusional murderous hatred needs to be challenged. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 17, 2023 9:20:52 GMT
Please elaborate on this wrapping. It would be pointless, it has been gone over with tons of evidence millions of times. So, you are a hypocritic then. Charged M'lord. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 17, 2023 9:22:54 GMT
It would be pointless, it has been gone over with tons of evidence millions of times. So, you are a hypocritic then. Charged M'lord. Nope just sensible enough not to believe everything one brainwashed side or another come out with, so we all get caught in catch 22. Although of course I know it won't stop them trying. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 17, 2023 9:23:49 GMT
I think that part of the solution is to work with the Muslim community rather than against them and making Muslims feel part of the wider British community giving them a sense of belonging and making them stakeholders. We can a play a part in that. The other and main part is giving the security and intelligence agencies everything they need to do their thing. We have Muslim MP's, we have over 1500 mosques here in the UK, we have Halal food on tap. Do you think this kind of 'multiculturalism' hasn't/doesn't work, and that perhaps the should be assimilated into churches, and Sunday roast porks for dinner? How do we work with them? What does that look like, as it seems this is idealistic rhetoric to hide behind. I think Christians, Muslims and people of all other faiths should be free to practice their religion. As to working with the Muslim community, the government's prevent strategy has three main priorities, one of which is: "intervene early to support people susceptible to radicalisation" You can't do that from arms length. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 17, 2023 9:24:43 GMT
And your proposals are for what should we do with the millions of Muslims who are in this country living their life in the way they want? Make it absolutely crystal clear that the UK is not an Islamic country, if they don't like that they should be encouraged to relocate, perhaps to an Islamic country. Of course, they're not that stupid are they. It's us who are the mugs. Again, persecuting a religious minority would make us more like an islamic theocracy. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 17, 2023 9:25:12 GMT
So, what do you think is the solution to this problem with terrorism and the Muslim community? Playing whataboutery towards other groups? Ignoring the problem? Sweeping it under the carpet as there's nothing to really see here kind of groupthink? Speaking of the Muslim community to be the victims of this problem? I think that part of the solution is to work with the Muslim community rather than against them and making Muslims feel part of the wider British community giving them a sense of belonging and making them stakeholders. We can a play a part in that. The other and main part is giving the security and intelligence agencies everything they need to do their thing. Hi HH. I don't think this country has much option other than to follow your suggested path to the future. BUT, as you are no doubt aware, I have serious concerns about Islam the Religion. It is a highly over self indoctrinating religion, thus giving, as far as religion is concerned, the emotional area of the brain greater control of the 'logical area' of the brain. Which is all very well until ideas get distorted along the way. That the religion has the longest dispute ever between the two main sects doesn't help. I'm pretty sure that the recent mass demonstrations over what is going in Garza has as much do with a cult like hatred of the Jews/Israelis by the Arabs, as it has to do with the deaths and destruction taking place in Gaza. It is the almost complete absence of serious concern by the Palestinian Arabs and the Arab world over 7/10 that feeds into my concerns. My personal suspicion is that as the percentage of Muslims in the population increases the call for Sharia Law will grow. Again, there appears to be more than one version of Sharia Law, with some version seeking increased Islamic law and control of people, not just help with personal problems. Islam is on the increase claimed by some to be because Muslims tend to have large families. I personally would not like to even sense the possibility that the UK could one day become just another Muslim country. These are my own personal concerns which may or may not be of any value. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 17, 2023 9:33:28 GMT
Make it absolutely crystal clear that the UK is not an Islamic country, if they don't like that they should be encouraged to relocate, perhaps to an Islamic country. Of course, they're not that stupid are they. It's us who are the mugs. Oh right so basically we just throw them out, I see a bit of a problem with that as well, don't you? Jeez, you are so fuckin clueless it's almost laughable. Listen, I'm from the school of thought that says, when in Rome. When I was in other countries I respected other cultures other religions other peoples way of life. When other people come to the UK I expect them to show me the same respect. Of course I'm laughing as I write this because thanks to clueless lefties like you minorities can do more or less what they please and if I complain, I'm shouted down as a nasty racist, a far right extremist but not to worry, it's all adding to the pressure. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 17, 2023 9:36:03 GMT
Make it absolutely crystal clear that the UK is not an Islamic country, if they don't like that they should be encouraged to relocate, perhaps to an Islamic country. Of course, they're not that stupid are they. It's us who are the mugs. Again, persecuting a religious minority would make us more like an islamic theocracy. Get a grip you muppet. |
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