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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 17, 2023 8:23:05 GMT
If clueless lefties who have grown up in this liberal easy going democracy visited Iran, or Pakistan, or Saudi or many other Islamic shit tips, they might understand why people who know what they are talking about do not want Islam in the UK. I vividly remember the religious police hitting people with canes, including women and children, as they were forced into a market square to watch a public beheading. This was sharia law in action, this is what 40% of Muslims in this non Islamic country want. 20 years ago it was 10%. As someone once said, we must be mad, litterally mad.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 17, 2023 8:24:20 GMT
And that is the problem, it's the elephant in the corner that everyone is terrified to acknowledge lest they be accused of racism or Islamophobia which keeps otherwise sensible people quiet, and in turn exacerbates a massive problem. Well we have a bit of a problem Red, western values have destroyed a lot of their homelands killed a lot of their families and left them homeless and jobless on the whole beggars, so hence they rock up here with the the same values we tried to destroy, when I say we, I mean a small minority with its twisted views of western culture. So although it might seem a good way of making fast money for some, behind it is a thought that you can change western culture easier from within than you can from the outside. You don't now what you're talking about. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 17, 2023 8:25:36 GMT
Well we have a bit of a problem Red, western values have destroyed a lot of their homelands killed a lot of their families and left them homeless and jobless on the whole beggars, so hence they rock up here with the the same values we tried to destroy, when I say we, I mean a small minority with its twisted views of western culture. So although it might seem a good way of making fast money for some, behind it is a thought that you can change western culture easier from within than you can from the outside. You don't now what you're talking about. Well that is also a problem, I actually do. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 17, 2023 8:33:09 GMT
If clueless lefties who have grown up in this liberal easy going democracy visited Iran, or Pakistan, or Saudi or many other Islamic shit tips, they might understand why people who know what they are talking about do not want Islam in the UK. I vividly remember the religious police hitting people with canes, including women and children, as they were forced into a market square to watch a public beheading. This was sharia law in action, this is what 40% of Muslims in this non Islamic country want. 20 years ago it was 10%. As someone once said, we must be mad, litterally mad. When I was in the Middle East, I didn't look at their culture and think I need to change their culture, I respected I was in a completely different country with their own culture. In fact I met some people who would make sure you didn't die of thirst in the middle of a desert. Even though obviously I was from a completely different culture. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 17, 2023 8:35:29 GMT
I think there is a problem with certain communities with regards to terrorism, the Muslim community being one of them. I think demonising those communities makes the problem worse not better. If we treated all right wingers like far right terrorists would that make you more or less sympathetic to far right terrorists? So, what do you think is the solution to this problem with terrorism and the Muslim community? Playing whataboutery towards other groups? Ignoring the problem? Sweeping it under the carpet as there's nothing to really see here kind of groupthink? Speaking of the Muslim community to be the victims of this problem? I think that part of the solution is to work with the Muslim community rather than against them and making Muslims feel part of the wider British community giving them a sense of belonging and making them stakeholders. We can a play a part in that. The other and main part is giving the security and intelligence agencies everything they need to do their thing. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 17, 2023 8:40:01 GMT
If I posted pictures of the death and destruction caused by far right terrorism would it justify me lumping you in with them? Nobody has said we shouldn't take steps against extremists, alienating all Muslims helps, not hinders Muslim extremists IMHO. It's not a case of alienating "all" Muslims, it's a case of dividing the liberal ones from the Conservative fundamentalist ones, and making it easier to identify those who pose a threat in order to save lives. Which is more important? Saving lives or not hurting the feelings of extremists who are angry enough to kill anyway and dreaming of death? You need to realise that the extremists are out there trying to turn the Muslim community to their cause. Doing nothing about them allows them to radicalise with impunity. We saw the results of political inaction back in the 2000's with riots, demonstrations and bombings committed by the Islamists. "It's not a case of alienating "all" Muslims, it's a case of dividing the liberal ones from the Conservative fundamentalist ones, and making it easier to identify those who pose a threat in order to save lives." Right, and lumping all Muslims in with the violent extremists achieves the opposite of that. "Which is more important? Saving lives or not hurting the feelings of extremists who are angry enough to kill anyway and dreaming of death?" It's because I prioritise saving lives that I don't want to see all Muslims demonised and thus making recruitment easier for violent extremists. "You need to realise that the extremists are out there trying to turn the Muslim community to their cause." Yes, and demonising all Muslims makes it easier for them. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 17, 2023 8:40:50 GMT
If clueless lefties who have grown up in this liberal easy going democracy visited Iran, or Pakistan, or Saudi or many other Islamic shit tips, they might understand why people who know what they are talking about do not want Islam in the UK. I vividly remember the religious police hitting people with canes, including women and children, as they were forced into a market square to watch a public beheading. This was sharia law in action, this is what 40% of Muslims in this non Islamic country want. 20 years ago it was 10%. As someone once said, we must be mad, litterally mad. Oppressing a religious minority would make us more, not less like those regimes. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 17, 2023 8:56:35 GMT
If clueless lefties who have grown up in this liberal easy going democracy visited Iran, or Pakistan, or Saudi or many other Islamic shit tips, they might understand why people who know what they are talking about do not want Islam in the UK. I vividly remember the religious police hitting people with canes, including women and children, as they were forced into a market square to watch a public beheading. This was sharia law in action, this is what 40% of Muslims in this non Islamic country want. 20 years ago it was 10%. As someone once said, we must be mad, litterally mad. When I was in the Middle East, I didn't look at their culture and think I need to change their culture, I respected I was in a completely different country with their own culture. In fact I met some people who would make sure you didn't die of thirst in the middle of a desert. Even though obviously I was from a completely different culture. I couldn't agree more. On arrival at the dustbowl known as Dhahran international airport, we were ushered into a hangar and read the riot act. We were told we were Christians in an Islamic country and as such we must at all times respect their laws, customs and traditions, the penalty for not doing so could be dire. We had no problem with that. If that's the way they do things in their country, fine. You know what's comming don't you. Back in the UK I quickly discovered that I still had to be careful what I said in order not to offend Muslims. I was seriously confused. I was no longer in Saudi, I was back home in the non Islamic UK. Yet I still had to be careful what I said in case I offended Muslims! What the fuck is going on? I respected their traditions in their country, and they shit on my traditions in my country, if I complain I'm a racist, an Islamophobe. As I said previously, if outraged lefties spent some time in an Islamic shit tip they might appreciate this country a bit more, and hopefully not be so epically clueless. I live in hope rather than expectation. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 17, 2023 8:59:45 GMT
When I was in the Middle East, I didn't look at their culture and think I need to change their culture, I respected I was in a completely different country with their own culture. In fact I met some people who would make sure you didn't die of thirst in the middle of a desert. Even though obviously I was from a completely different culture. I couldn't agree more. On arrival at the dustbowl known as Dhahran international airport, we were ushered into a hangar and read the riot act. We were told we were Christians in an Islamic country and as such we must at all times respect their laws, customs and traditions, the penalty for not doing so could be dire. We had no problem with that. If that's the way they do things in their country, fine. You know what's comming don't you. Back in the UK I quickly discovered that I still had to be careful what I said in order not to offend Muslims. I was seriously confused. I was no longer in Saudi, I was back home in the non Islamic UK. Yet I still had to be careful what I said in case I offended Muslims! What the fuck is going on? I respected their traditions in their country, and they shit on my traditions in my country, if I complain I'm a racist, an Islamophobe. As I said previously, if outraged lefties spent some time in an Islamic shit tip they might appreciate this country a bit more, and hopefully not be so epically clueless. I live in hope rather than expectation. We have laws about hate speech in this country. Respect the law of the land. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 17, 2023 9:00:41 GMT
And that is the problem, it's the elephant in the corner that everyone is terrified to acknowledge lest they be accused of racism or Islamophobia which keeps otherwise sensible people quiet, and in turn exacerbates a massive problem. Well we have a bit of a problem Red, western values have destroyed a lot of their homelands killed a lot of their families and left them homeless and jobless on the whole beggars, so hence they rock up here with the the same values we tried to destroy, when I say we, I mean a small minority with its twisted views of western culture. So although it might seem a good way of making fast money for some, behind it is a thought that you can change western culture easier from within than you can from the outside.Well, at least you acknowledge or at least realise there are attempts to Islamify Britain's culture to something that reflects there very own. I suppose this is a start, an admittance or acceptance of what is beginning to happen in the UK. However, when speaking of 'Western culture' destroying their (Muslim) homelands which would be a topic in and of itself. It is interesting that you sympathise with the eye-for-an-eye view here regarding how 'they rock up here with the same values we tried to destroy', yet you condemn Israel's (eye-for-an-eye) attack on Palestine for the atrocities caused by Hamas terrorists. Again, I just see hypocrisy here perhaps you can explain why this is not hypocritic? |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 17, 2023 9:02:11 GMT
Well we have a bit of a problem Red, western values have destroyed a lot of their homelands killed a lot of their families and left them homeless and jobless on the whole beggars, so hence they rock up here with the the same values we tried to destroy, when I say we, I mean a small minority with its twisted views of western culture. So although it might seem a good way of making fast money for some, behind it is a thought that you can change western culture easier from within than you can from the outside.Well, at least you acknowledge or at least realise there are attempts to Islamify Britain's culture to something that reflects there very own. I suppose this is a start, an admittance or acceptance of what is beginning to happen in the UK. However, when speaking of 'Western culture' destroying their (Muslim) homelands which would be a topic in and of itself. It is interesting that you sympathise with the eye-for-an-eye view here regarding how 'they rock up here with the same values we tried to destroy', yet you condemn Israel's (eye-for-an-eye) attack on Palestine for the atrocities caused by Hamas terrorists. Again, I just see hypocrisy here perhaps you can explain why this is not hypocritic? Back at those wonderful Israelis again then, neither side is exactly tightly wrapped. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 17, 2023 9:03:03 GMT
I couldn't agree more. On arrival at the dustbowl known as Dhahran international airport, we were ushered into a hangar and read the riot act. We were told we were Christians in an Islamic country and as such we must at all times respect their laws, customs and traditions, the penalty for not doing so could be dire. We had no problem with that. If that's the way they do things in their country, fine. You know what's comming don't you. Back in the UK I quickly discovered that I still had to be careful what I said in order not to offend Muslims. I was seriously confused. I was no longer in Saudi, I was back home in the non Islamic UK. Yet I still had to be careful what I said in case I offended Muslims! What the fuck is going on? I respected their traditions in their country, and they shit on my traditions in my country, if I complain I'm a racist, an Islamophobe. As I said previously, if outraged lefties spent some time in an Islamic shit tip they might appreciate this country a bit more, and hopefully not be so epically clueless. I live in hope rather than expectation. We have laws about hate speech in this country. Respect the law of the land. Seriously! Is that it? You are pathetic. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 17, 2023 9:04:25 GMT
So, what do you think is the solution to this problem with terrorism and the Muslim community? Playing whataboutery towards other groups? Ignoring the problem? Sweeping it under the carpet as there's nothing to really see here kind of groupthink? Speaking of the Muslim community to be the victims of this problem? I think that part of the solution is to work with the Muslim community rather than against them and making Muslims feel part of the wider British community giving them a sense of belonging and making them stakeholders. We can a play a part in that. The other and main part is giving the security and intelligence agencies everything they need to do their thing. We have Muslim MP's, we have over 1500 mosques here in the UK, we have Halal food on tap. Do you think this kind of 'multiculturalism' hasn't/doesn't work, and that perhaps the should be assimilated into churches, and Sunday roast porks for dinner? How do we work with them? What does that look like, as it seems this is idealistic rhetoric to hide behind. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 17, 2023 9:05:54 GMT
Well, at least you acknowledge or at least realise there are attempts to Islamify Britain's culture to something that reflects there very own. I suppose this is a start, an admittance or acceptance of what is beginning to happen in the UK. However, when speaking of 'Western culture' destroying their (Muslim) homelands which would be a topic in and of itself. It is interesting that you sympathise with the eye-for-an-eye view here regarding how 'they rock up here with the same values we tried to destroy', yet you condemn Israel's (eye-for-an-eye) attack on Palestine for the atrocities caused by Hamas terrorists. Again, I just see hypocrisy here perhaps you can explain why this is not hypocritic? Back at those wonderful Israelis again then, neither side is exactly tightly wrapped. If you didn't want to answer the question you could have just said: Back at those wonderful Jews Israelis again then, neither side is exactly tightly wrapped. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 17, 2023 9:07:53 GMT
Back at those wonderful Israelis again then, neither side is exactly tightly wrapped. If you didn't want to answer the question you could have just said: Back at those wonderful Jews Israelis again then, neither side is exactly tightly wrapped. Just a fact you think you can ignore, by spouting its all about being anti-Jewish. As I said a blind man could see by all the previous evidence neither side is tightly wrapped. |
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