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Post by buccaneer on Nov 17, 2023 7:00:07 GMT
You appear to be relaxed about the fact that MI5 are monitoring no fewar than 39,000 Muslim terror suspects in this non Islamic country, and I have to say, few will be surprised. Quote me saying I was relaxed about it or retract this statement please. This isn't UKdebate where you can force people to retract statements you don't like. RR rightly said you "appear" to be relaxed about it. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 17, 2023 7:01:03 GMT
Interesting question. You can however consider the figures in another way if 90% of terror suspects are coming from a community that comprises about 6% ( approx 4 million people) of the population and 10% is coming from the other 95% (approx 62 million people) do you think there is a problem within a specific community? Do you think treating an entire community with fear and suspicion makes them more or less likely to sympathise with the extremists in their community? He asked you a question first. Perhaps you could do him the courtesy of answering it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 17, 2023 7:06:37 GMT
You appear to be relaxed about the fact that MI5 are monitoring no fewar than 39,000 Muslim terror suspects in this non Islamic country, and I have to say, few will be surprised. Quote me saying I was relaxed about it or retract this statement please. You appear to be confused and it must be said, not for the first time. If I had a quote I wouldn't have said you 'appear' to be relaxed. I would have quoted you. Now get a grip and ffs stop tantrumming, you pedantic lefty. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 17, 2023 7:08:28 GMT
Quote me saying I was relaxed about it or retract this statement please. This isn't UKdebate where you can force people to retract statements you don't like. RR rightly said you "appear" to be relaxed about it. Thank you. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 17, 2023 7:22:07 GMT
Quote me saying I was relaxed about it or retract this statement please. You appear to be confused and it must be said, not for the first time. If I had a quote I wouldn't have said you 'appear' to be relaxed. I would have quoted you. Now get a grip and ffs stop tantrumming, you pedantic lefty. And what is this appearance based on? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 17, 2023 7:23:51 GMT
You appear to be confused and it must be said, not for the first time. If I had a quote I wouldn't have said you 'appear' to be relaxed. I would have quoted you. Now get a grip and ffs stop tantrumming, you pedantic lefty. And what is this appearance based on? Your modus operandi. It never changes. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 17, 2023 7:25:21 GMT
Do you think treating an entire community with fear and suspicion makes them more or less likely to sympathise with the extremists in their community? He asked you a question first. Perhaps you could do him the courtesy of answering it. I think there is a problem with certain communities with regards to terrorism, the Muslim community being one of them. I think demonising those communities makes the problem worse not better. If we treated all right wingers like far right terrorists would that make you more or less sympathetic to far right terrorists? |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 17, 2023 7:26:14 GMT
And what is this appearance based on? Your modus operandi. It never changes. You appear to be trying to smear another poster in order to stifle/derail debate. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 17, 2023 7:30:36 GMT
Your modus operandi. It never changes. You appear to be trying to smear another poster in order to stifle/derail debate. LOL, behave yourself. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 17, 2023 7:32:33 GMT
Since when did an Israeli life have ten times the monetary value of a Palestinian life? Since about 1917, i believe. I started to acquire a certain awareness of politics at about fifteen, when i saw straight through the subtexts in the textbooks that formed the coursework of my economics O level. All manner of things became clear to me that year. And i do not recall a month going by since then that i have not seen an example of jewish application of the policy of Lebensraum A mere glance at a few maps of the region over time provide all the evidence anyone needs. The reality is both sides here have a keen interest in adjusting the ethnicity of the population between the river and the sea. But only one has an unhealthy interest in the human genome and designs on the other side of the river, and the funds and political clout with nuclear armed states to make their dreams come true. I am fairly certain Netanyahu will have solved the Palestinian Problem by New Year. Maybe not by ours, but certainly by his. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 17, 2023 7:43:42 GMT
He asked you a question first. Perhaps you could do him the courtesy of answering it. I think there is a problem with certain communities with regards to terrorism, the Muslim community being one of them. I think demonising those communities makes the problem worse not better. If we treated all right wingers like far right terrorists would that make you more or less sympathetic to far right terrorists? So, what do you think is the solution to this problem with terrorism and the Muslim community? Playing whataboutery towards other groups? Ignoring the problem? Sweeping it under the carpet as there's nothing to really see here kind of groupthink? Speaking of the Muslim community to be the victims of this problem? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 17, 2023 7:58:40 GMT
I think there is a problem with certain communities with regards to terrorism, the Muslim community being one of them. I think demonising those communities makes the problem worse not better. If we treated all right wingers like far right terrorists would that make you more or less sympathetic to far right terrorists? So, what do you think is the solution to this problem with terrorism and the Muslim community? Playing whataboutery towards other groups? Ignoring the problem? Sweeping it under the carpet as there's nothing to really see here kind of groupthink? Speaking of the Muslim community to be the victims of this problem? And that is the problem, it's the elephant in the corner that everyone is terrified to acknowledge lest they be accused of racism or Islamophobia which keeps otherwise sensible people quiet, and in turn exacerbates a massive problem. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 17, 2023 8:00:37 GMT
    It's not a matter of "judging all Muslims" it's a matter of actively taking steps to prevent this ever fucking happening again. And I would rather offend you, by taking steps against extremism, than kill and maim hundreds of people by ignoring the problem of Islamist extremists. Because those extremists hide behind ordinary Muslims. If I posted pictures of the death and destruction caused by far right terrorism would it justify me lumping you in with them? Nobody has said we shouldn't take steps against extremists, alienating all Muslims helps, not hinders Muslim extremists IMHO. It's not a case of alienating "all" Muslims, it's a case of dividing the liberal ones from the Conservative fundamentalist ones, and making it easier to identify those who pose a threat in order to save lives. Which is more important? Saving lives or not hurting the feelings of extremists who are angry enough to kill anyway and dreaming of death? You need to realise that the extremists are out there trying to turn the Muslim community to their cause. Doing nothing about them allows them to radicalise with impunity. We saw the results of political inaction back in the 2000's with riots, demonstrations and bombings committed by the Islamists. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 17, 2023 8:10:27 GMT
So, what do you think is the solution to this problem with terrorism and the Muslim community? Playing whataboutery towards other groups? Ignoring the problem? Sweeping it under the carpet as there's nothing to really see here kind of groupthink? Speaking of the Muslim community to be the victims of this problem? And that is the problem, it's the elephant in the corner that everyone is terrified to acknowledge lest they be accused of racism or Islamophobia which keeps otherwise sensible people quiet, and in turn exacerbates a massive problem. Well we have a bit of a problem Red, western values have destroyed a lot of their homelands killed a lot of their families and left them homeless and jobless on the whole beggars, so hence they rock up here with the the same values we tried to destroy, when I say we, I mean a small minority with its twisted views of western culture. So although it might seem a good way of making fast money for some, behind it is a thought that you can change western culture easier from within than you can from the outside. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 17, 2023 8:13:22 GMT
Since when did an Israeli life have ten times the monetary value of a Palestinian life? Since about 1917, i believe. I started to acquire a certain awareness of politics at about fifteen, when i saw straight through the subtexts in the textbooks that formed the coursework of my economics O level. All manner of things became clear to me that year. And i do not recall a month going by since then that i have not seen an example of jewish application of the policy of Lebensraum A mere glance at a few maps of the region over time provide all the evidence anyone needs. The reality is both sides here have a keen interest in adjusting the ethnicity of the population between the river and the sea. But only one has an unhealthy interest in the human genome and designs on the other side of the river, and the funds and political clout with nuclear armed states to make their dreams come true. I am fairly certain Netanyahu will have solved the Palestinian Problem by New Year. Maybe not by ours, but certainly by his. Netanyahu won't be bothered his idea of peace has always been much the same, send them elsewhere and let that be someone else's problem. |
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