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Post by Bentley on Nov 5, 2023 17:47:08 GMT
Basic state pension is very low. The rest is pretty much means tested.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 19:19:05 GMT
You talk about spongers trousering cash without for a moment acknowledging all the taxpayer dosh being shovelled your way. I guess everyone's a sponger unless its you doing it, when suddenly you aint getting the chance to trouser nearly enough. Pensioners have never been as well off as they are now. Taxpayer dosh shovelled at me? Pray tell where I can find it (there you go again with the Pensioners have never been as well off as they are now.on about £200 a week-? yeah sure they're booking Barbados for Christmas) It is a fact that pensioners are on average better off than the working age population. And often with far fewer outgoings. And any on only 200 a week which will be the poorer ones, also either have mortgages paid off or rent paid for them, free prescriptions, free bus travel, winter fuel payments, etc. I know my own mum struggled throughout her life and has never known it so good since she retired. And she herself is one of the poorer ones. And do you know that pensioners trouser as much from the state as all other welfare claimants put together? So it is a bit rich you being one of them and utterly contemptuous of anyone else getting state support at all including the working ones whose taxes are funding you, and who will be paid minimum wage to wipe your arses in your dotage. If you show your contempt for the working age population like me, then expect it back. I will be much more respectful of pensioners who dont think the rest of us owe them a living, are grateful for all they get and dont begrudge struggling workings the pickings of their arses. I think it hypocritical and selfish in the extreme for anyone to whinge about their supposedly pitiful taxpayer funded incomes whilst begrudging any help at all to those struggling on much less. If you showed any sympathy for those worse off than you instead of the usual contempt, you'd get a far fairer hearing from people like me |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 19:26:25 GMT
Basic state pension is very low. The rest is pretty much means tested. That is true to a certain extent, though free bus travel, free prescriptions, and winter fuel payments for pensioners are not means tested in the slightest. Whilst the minimum income guarantee is set at a more generous level with any rent allowance also set at a more generous level. All poorer pensioners will get much more than the basic state pension - free rent, no council tax and pensioner credits thrown in as well as the aforementioned bus travel, prescriptions and winter fuel payments. Those pensioners on good incomes already because of good quality private pensions - few of which in the private sector are available to current workers anymore - rightly get less from the taxpayer. But they still get the freebies I mentioned. No one is on the state pension alone anymore. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 5, 2023 19:27:15 GMT
Taxpayer dosh shovelled at me? Pray tell where I can find it (there you go again with the Pensioners have never been as well off as they are now.on about £200 a week-? yeah sure they're booking Barbados for Christmas) It is a fact that pensioners are on average better off than the working age population. And often with far fewer outgoings. And any on only 200 a week which will be the poorer ones, also either have mortgages paid off or rent paid for them, free prescriptions, free bus travel, winter fuel payments, etc. I know my own mum struggled throughout her life and has never known it so good since she retired. And she herself is one of the poorer ones. And do you know that pensioners trouser as much from the state as all other welfare claimants put together? So it is a bit rich you being one of them and utterly contemptuous of anyone else getting state support at all including the working ones whose taxes are funding you, and who will be paid minimum wage to wipe your arses in your dotage. If you show your contempt for the working age population like me, then expect it back. I will be much more respectful of pensioners who dont think the rest of us owe them a living, are grateful for all they get and dont begrudge struggling workings the pickings of their arses. I think it hypocritical and selfish in the extreme for anyone to whinge about their supposedly pitiful taxpayer funded incomes whilst begrudging any help at all to those struggling on much less. If you showed any sympathy for those worse off than you instead of the usual contempt, you'd get a far fairer hearing from people like me Except that unlike your other benefit spongers, pensioners have often paid into the system for a whole working lifetime. And yet they get the lowest pension return of any comparable country. And still the left begrudge them that and consider people that have contributed nothing to be more worthy causes. It's clown world. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 19:27:38 GMT
I think it is more a matter of only employing Labour that works, something that zanygame and Co considers the ultimate four letter word Sorry I don't understand that insult? Neither does he, lol |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 19:29:44 GMT
It is a fact that pensioners are on average better off than the working age population. And often with far fewer outgoings. And any on only 200 a week which will be the poorer ones, also either have mortgages paid off or rent paid for them, free prescriptions, free bus travel, winter fuel payments, etc. I know my own mum struggled throughout her life and has never known it so good since she retired. And she herself is one of the poorer ones. And do you know that pensioners trouser as much from the state as all other welfare claimants put together? So it is a bit rich you being one of them and utterly contemptuous of anyone else getting state support at all including the working ones whose taxes are funding you, and who will be paid minimum wage to wipe your arses in your dotage. If you show your contempt for the working age population like me, then expect it back. I will be much more respectful of pensioners who dont think the rest of us owe them a living, are grateful for all they get and dont begrudge struggling workings the pickings of their arses. I think it hypocritical and selfish in the extreme for anyone to whinge about their supposedly pitiful taxpayer funded incomes whilst begrudging any help at all to those struggling on much less. If you showed any sympathy for those worse off than you instead of the usual contempt, you'd get a far fairer hearing from people like me Except that unlike your other benefit spongers, pensioners have often paid into the system for a whole working lifetime. And yet they get the lowest pension return of any comparable country. And still the left begrudge them that and consider people that have contributed nothing to be more worthy causes. It's clown world. There is something of an imbalance when retirees are on average better off than the average worker. It is a piss take of the very notion of work paying. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 5, 2023 19:49:57 GMT
There is something of an imbalance when retirees are on average better off than the average worker. But are they? Because I doubt there's many like that. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 5, 2023 19:51:12 GMT
OTOH, there's a definite imbalance when people who have never worked are better off than many in full time employment.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 20:16:23 GMT
OTOH, there's a definite imbalance when people who have never worked are better off than many in full time employment. That is partly mythical, with any truth of it being the result of pitifully low pay. People on benefits with kids will get more than some single working people on low pay. But if the latter were to have a partner and kids too he or she would almost certainly get more than the non working ones as in work benefit top ups. So your words really only hold true by comparing apples with oranges. I do accept that there are a minority pf people, a hard core, who dont make any effort to work, who are branded lazy. Though it has more to do in many cases with the fact that their past experience has taught them that work doesnt pay. Some of course have mental health issues, some have self inflicted addictions, some have criminal money making enterprises going on the side, eg petty drug dealing. There are a range of issues with this indolent hard core, some self inflicted, others not, which need addressing. But this core is only a couple of hundred thousand or so which sounds a lot but is a tiny percentage of the population. They are responsible for a large part of the crime that takes place out there though so effectively targetting these by curing their addictions, better medicating their mental health issues, cracking down on their criminal behaviour, and generally getting them into a place where they can be expected, and forced, to actively seek work, would ultimately go a long way to helping both them and the rest of us. But doing much more to make work actually pay for everybody who works needs to be an important part of the mix too. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 20:26:55 GMT
There is something of an imbalance when retirees are on average better off than the average worker. But are they? Because I doubt there's many like that. It was a couple of years or so ago and it measured average disposable incomes after housing costs were removed, and on average pensioners were found to be £20 a month better off than workers. This difference is not large but is the first time since measurements began that pensioners were found to be better off than workers on average. I lack the motivation to seek out the article now, since I want to go offline and chill, but will look for it tomorrow if you insist. High housing costs are a significant contributory factor, since working people have to surrender large chunks of their pay as rent or mortgage payments, whilst most pensioners have paid off their mortgages or get help with their rent I am well aware of course that this is only averages and that the difference is not huge. And that therefore even after housing costs are removed, there will be many poorer pensioners who are worse off than most working people. But likewise there will be many better off pensioners who are better off than most working people |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 5, 2023 20:32:04 GMT
Basic state pension is very low. The rest is pretty much means tested. That is true to a certain extent, though free bus travel, free prescriptions, and winter fuel payments for pensioners are not means tested in the slightest. Whilst the minimum income guarantee is set at a more generous level with any rent allowance also set at a more generous level. All poorer pensioners will get much more than the basic state pension - free rent, no council tax and pensioner credits thrown in as well as the aforementioned bus travel, prescriptions and winter fuel payments. Those pensioners on good incomes already because of good quality private pensions - few of which in the private sector are available to current workers anymore - rightly get less from the taxpayer. But they still get the freebies I mentioned. No one is on the state pension alone anymore. I don’t think many pensioners get free rent . All of them get free prescriptions, some get free bus travel , all get winter fuel payments afaik. The rest is means tested afaik. If you want to take back money from pensioners then just aiming at rich ones wont make much of an impact. So where exactly do the pension snatchers want the means testing to begin ? There aren’t any rich pensioners coining it from State pension benefits because they won’t qualify for it . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 5, 2023 20:33:15 GMT
There is something of an imbalance when retirees are on average better off than the average worker. But are they? Because I doubt there's many like that. Certainly not due to State pensions . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 23:42:25 GMT
That is true to a certain extent, though free bus travel, free prescriptions, and winter fuel payments for pensioners are not means tested in the slightest. Whilst the minimum income guarantee is set at a more generous level with any rent allowance also set at a more generous level. All poorer pensioners will get much more than the basic state pension - free rent, no council tax and pensioner credits thrown in as well as the aforementioned bus travel, prescriptions and winter fuel payments. Those pensioners on good incomes already because of good quality private pensions - few of which in the private sector are available to current workers anymore - rightly get less from the taxpayer. But they still get the freebies I mentioned. No one is on the state pension alone anymore. . All of them get free prescriptions, some get free bus travel , all get winter fuel payments afaik. The rest is means tested afaik. If you want to take back money from pensioners then just aiming at rich ones wont make much of an impact. So where exactly do the pension snatchers want the means testing to begin ? There aren’t any rich pensioners coining it from State pension benefits because they won’t qualify for it . The poorer ones who only get the state pension, pension credit, free bus travel and winter fuel payments, get both their rent and council tax paid. The ones who dont are the ones with much larger incomes than the £200 per week disingenuously cited as typical. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 6, 2023 0:34:19 GMT
Once the idea of importing cheap labour is seen for what it is ..a short term fix with long term problems supported by leftie ideology then ways might be considered that would actually benefit society. A living wage , a nationwide vocational training scheme that is meaningful and not exploitive, build more accommodation for rent and embracing / developing technology . What i believe some may not have joined together is where this country’s minimum wage plus in work benefits provides a salary that foreigners will see as well above what they can get at home, the influx of persons living in sub optimal conditions and sending money home to families abroad provides a reduction in money supply that creates a deflationary pressure. It was explained to me over forty years ago as part of my economics o level I can’t understand why people cant see why chancellors of bith colours welcome it |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 6, 2023 0:38:59 GMT
The UK state pension currently provides retirees with a maximum of £802.32 monthly. However, in comparison, the average pensioner in Spain receives a generous £2,287.24. Belgium, which has living costs very close to the UK at £720.45 monthly, grants a monthly state pension of £2,709.93 for those with a 45-year work history. This amount is a staggering 376 per cent above the breakeven mark, according to data from Almond Financial. euroweeklynews.com/2023/11/01/spanish-pensioners-get-double-uk-amount/Four weekly, please  |
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