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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2023 9:06:28 GMT
The apparent rise in dictatorship power and influence aka Russia, N Korea, Iran, (who's next? Trump tried to create a coup in the US) and their apparent willingness to back each other up, suggests to me that there could possibly be major problems ahead.
I haven't included China because firstly China, AFAIA, is a product of the necessary defense of many countries against the Mongol invaders, and secondly the 1.41 billion population of China would IMO make democracy an unworkable minefield.
Again IMO, if America and Europe in particular are not already on a war footing, it might be a good idea if they got themselves onto one.
As one poster on a thread somewhere posted, Democracy, defend it or lose it.
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Post by dappy on Nov 1, 2023 9:23:02 GMT
I think the primary threat to democracy in the years ahead is likely to be internal fuelled by bunkerisation on the internet.
I do think democracy in the US is genuinely under serious threat from Trump and his acolytes. We have a tendency to follow wherever America leads.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 1, 2023 9:25:00 GMT
If democracy is unworkable in China owing to its huge population, how about India with its even huger one? India is often referred to as 'the world's largest democracy'.
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 1, 2023 10:06:44 GMT
The UK saw first hand how democracy is ebbing away in 2016 and the few years thereafter.
It was fought off and defended once, but it will eventually succumb when another group disagree with it.
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Post by dappy on Nov 1, 2023 10:18:28 GMT
You seem to be struggling with what Democracy is, Buccaneer.
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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2023 10:50:50 GMT
If democracy is unworkable in China owing to its huge population, how about India with its even huger one? India is often referred to as 'the world's largest democracy'. AFAIA India has a history of democracy of a sort. The UK had a very good relationship for something like 100 years with India, (plus or minus as applicable) things turned bad in the latter years. Still, I suspect that India's British experience led to the Indian choice of representative democracy after independence. AFAIA there is no large scale history of democracy in China, it seems that possibly because of its long term history of Imperial control it isn't likely to be open to Democracy. Its history is somewhat different to that of India. I'm always open to be educated on these matters  |
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Post by piglet on Nov 1, 2023 12:16:03 GMT
Democracy isnt working, if it is why are we in the doopy doos, all the effing time? Democracy is like a school classroom with 12 year olds all talking, loads of noise most of it nonsense, and uncontrollable.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 1, 2023 12:47:08 GMT
Leftie collectivists have a very poor record of democracy. No better and more enduring than right wing .
Democracy is an illusion. The 2016 EU referendum proved it .
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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2023 14:25:44 GMT
Democracy isnt working, if it is why are we in the doopy doos, all the effing time? Democracy is like a school classroom with 12 year olds all talking, loads of noise most of it nonsense, and uncontrollable. Democracy offers opportunity for freedom and change, dictatorships don't. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2023 14:33:57 GMT
Leftie collectivists have a very poor record of democracy. No better and more enduring than right wing . Democracy is an illusion. The 2016 EU referendum proved it . The lies and distortions and the taking advantage of opinions that depend on which way the political wind is blowing at the time, plus an easily led electorate, exposed the foolishness of this country indulging in referendum. So I'm not sure whether we are in agreement or not. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 1, 2023 14:42:29 GMT
Leftie collectivists have a very poor record of democracy. No better and more enduring than right wing . Democracy is an illusion. The 2016 EU referendum proved it . The lies and distortions and the taking advantage of opinions that depend on which way the political wind is blowing at the time, plus an easily led electorate, exposed the foolishness of this country indulging in referendum. So I'm not sure whether we are in agreement or not. I’d abandon your habit of claiming that anyone who doesn’t agree with you are somehow foolish or immature . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2023 14:52:39 GMT
The greatest threat to democracy is the utter stupidity of the average voter. This has long been its inherent flaw from the start.
The kind of bunkerisation of opinion encouraged by all sorts of bad actors on the internet is just making this worse, creating divisions by pandering to the idiocies of morons.
We are lucky if one in five voters has enough knowledge, thought and intelligence to vote for whomever for sensible reasons, whether left, right or centre.
What we do about this inherent democratic flaw is a difficult question to solve, but the likes of China, Russia, and others are exploiting this flaw against us, ensuring that ever more unsuitable people get to be in charge in ever more democracies, ultimately undermining democracy itself.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 1, 2023 14:58:16 GMT
As I said . Democracy is an illusion .
The ones who say that want democracy dont want democracy .
When democracy is exercised and it doesn’t go their way they find every excuse to deny that democratic exercise becoming reality.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 1, 2023 15:01:10 GMT
Calling people stupid because they don't vote for you, is stupid.
The greatest threat to democracy is that all our parties are SHIT.
What's the point in voting for the Tories, or Labour, or the Lib Dems, or the Greens? Or even Reform?
I will be voting (on a use it or lose it basis) but I will still need a reason to choose between them.
The options are not very inspiring.
It's not easy to choose when the options are so poor.
Keir Starmer is abysmal and so is Rishi Sunak.
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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2023 15:02:02 GMT
The lies and distortions and the taking advantage of opinions that depend on which way the political wind is blowing at the time, plus an easily led electorate, exposed the foolishness of this country indulging in referendum. So I'm not sure whether we are in agreement or not. I’d abandon your habit of claiming that anyone who doesn’t agree with you are somehow foolish or immature . Please reply to what you read instead of indulging in false made up nonsense ^^^ I attacked the use of referendums by the UK. i.e. "the foolishness of this country indulging in referendum". I should have known better than to try to indulge in grown up debate with yourself. |
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