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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2023 7:40:54 GMT
Go give your head a wobble. It is a bit rich you accusing anyone else of that when on this issue in particular you are by some distance the most obvious example of someone turning reality into your own personal world mindset. For one thing you have proven wholly incapable of even acknowledging the reality of settler land thefts because it does not fit in with your personal world mindset. Against stiff competition, you are without doubt the most one sidedly biased one here, certainly on this issue. More childishness from you ^^^, and you expect me to debate with you, silly boy. It is blatantly obvious that your own absolute bias makes you too cowardly to give any opinion on the settler land thefts. What are you afraid of? Looking silly? I am afraid that boat has already sailed, lol |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2023 7:42:23 GMT
I think simple common sense dictates that for as long as it is considered illegal under international law, it should be reversed. As for cut off points, when you have a situation where successive generations have lived somewhere and the displaced have mostly died, you have a de facto cut off. As these thefts are ongoing with your apparent approval in the absence of any justification whatsoever, it is am injustice happening today which is obviously an integral part of the mutual wrongs by both sides in the region And frankly you are not trying to understand my position at all, you are deliberately trying hard not to for partisan purposes, which is actually more transparent than you think/ May I ask you, when is a land theft not OK? When it is not Israel doing it perhaps? I'm not approving anything - I have been in favour of a 2 state solution for decades and if the Palestinians had accepted that solution most of the land thefts in the West Bank would not have occurred. If you continually refuse any peace deal in favour of demanding all of the region then is it really surprising that the other side take you at your word and also try and grab as much territory as possible?. Well that is some sort of justification I suppose but not a very good one. Two wrongs do not make a right. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2023 7:43:35 GMT
Israel should annexe all the land they won in war. They should annexe Gaza and Judea and Samaria. It would give the UN something else to rant about. After all, the UN focus on Israel more than any other country in the world. And what about the Arabs already living there? What is your final solution for them? |
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Post by see2 on Nov 8, 2023 9:37:27 GMT
More childishness from you ^^^, and you expect me to debate with you, silly boy. It is blatantly obvious that your own absolute bias makes you too cowardly to give any opinion on the settler land thefts. What are you afraid of? Looking silly? I am afraid that boat has already sailed, lol My commonsense says ignore posts that are posted to me, and posted like an angry child, who backs up there post with lies about me. But thanks for showing yourself up with your post, to being as silly as ever. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 8, 2023 9:39:55 GMT
Israel should annexe all the land they won in war. They should annexe Gaza and Judea and Samaria. It would give the UN something else to rant about. After all, the UN focus on Israel more than any other country in the world. And what about the Arabs already living there? What is your final solution for them? Around 1.5million Arabs live in Israel already. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2023 9:54:56 GMT
Israel should annexe all the land they won in war. They should annexe Gaza and Judea and Samaria. It would give the UN something else to rant about. After all, the UN focus on Israel more than any other country in the world. And what about the Arabs already living there? What is your final solution for them? They can carry on living there. What's the problem? They would probably be better off like the Arabs already living in Israel. (20%) Why are you using the term "final solution"? Is it in your book of words to use when talking about Israel? I'll add it to my long list. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2023 13:15:02 GMT
It is blatantly obvious that your own absolute bias makes you too cowardly to give any opinion on the settler land thefts. What are you afraid of? Looking silly? I am afraid that boat has already sailed, lol My commonsense says ignore posts that are posted to me, and posted like an angry child, who backs up there post with lies about me. But thanks for showing yourself up with your post, to being as silly as ever. Again, instead of showcasing your childishness, how about addressing the issue of settler land thefts? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2023 13:18:30 GMT
And what about the Arabs already living there? What is your final solution for them? Around 1.5million Arabs live in Israel already. Well what do you believe should happen to the Arabs not living there who are not living in another Arab state? Israel to incorporate them with full rights in a single state where Jews and Arabs are equal? A one state solution? Or a two state solution in which the Palestinians have their own state. If neither, what do you want to do with these Arabs? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2023 13:25:34 GMT
And what about the Arabs already living there? What is your final solution for them? They can carry on living there. What's the problem? They would probably be better off like the Arabs already living in Israel. (20%) Why are you using the term "final solution"? Is it in your book of words to use when talking about Israel? I'll add it to my long list. Well if Israel is going to expand to annex the entire west bank, and the Arabs are going to continue living there, are they going to be granted the same rights and freedoms as the Arabs in Israel? Or are they going to be denied their full political rights in the new enlarged Israel? In which case you will end up with something akin to an apartheid state. Better to stop stealing lands occupied by Arabs and try to negotiate a two state solution. The Israelis seem to want the land without the people. Because they had it in biblical times. Perhaps England and Wales, western Europe, the Balkans and much of the middle east should be given back to the Italians? After all, the Romans had it in biblical times. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 8, 2023 14:00:17 GMT
You clearly dont understand the rights as well as the responsibilities of official statehood. Please control your rhetorical consternation. I have explained the workings of the two state solution offered by the UN in 1947. Please stop turning reality into your own personal world mindset. Are you brave enough to reveal your age ? Thhis is a perfect example of See2's contortions. He defends some 2 state solution that never happened as an answer to the Nakba which DID happen in 1948. You just cant have a reasonable discussion with someone who keeps playing hide and seek. As i wrote, I DONT CARE WHAT HIS OPINION IS. It makes no logical sense and doesnt address the principal reason why Hamas exists.... ISRAELI THEFT OF THEIR LAND. First by the Nakba and latterly by the illegal settlements. THE WEST BANK AND EAST JERUSALEM DO NOT BELONG TO ISRAEL. And that is fact. And all i shall say on the matter unless someone who can speak honestly and directly has something interesting to say. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 8, 2023 17:08:43 GMT
I have explained the workings of the two state solution offered by the UN in 1947. Please stop turning reality into your own personal world mindset. Are you brave enough to reveal your age ? Thhis is a perfect example of See2's contortions. He defends some 2 state solution that never happened as an answer to the Nakba which DID happen in 1948. You just cant have a reasonable discussion with someone who keeps playing hide and seek. As i wrote, I DONT CARE WHAT HIS OPINION IS. It makes no logical sense and doesnt address the principal reason why Hamas exists.... ISRAELI THEFT OF THEIR LAND. First by the Nakba and latterly by the illegal settlements. THE WEST BANK AND EAST JERUSALEM DO NOT BELONG TO ISRAEL. And that is fact. And all i shall say on the matter unless someone who can speak honestly and directly has something interesting to say. Your post is as ever double Dutch, confused, and totally ill-informed. Thank goodness you have made up an excuse for opting out of debate. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 8, 2023 17:11:17 GMT
My commonsense says ignore posts that are posted to me, and posted like an angry child, who backs up their post with lies about me. But thanks for showing yourself up with your post, to being as silly as ever. Again, instead of showcasing your childishness, how about addressing the issue of settler land thefts? I don't debate with lying immature posters. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 8, 2023 20:38:55 GMT
So when challenged by facts you have twice accused your opposition of being immature.
That would be a case for moderators' control due to personal abuse instead of engaging in the facts of the subject.
In addition your swerving Israel's seizing of territory which the UN declares contra international law serves to not only go off topic but doesnt stand up to historical fact.
Not to mention your propensity to argue the arguements instead of the issue.
Age?
I'd put you at plus 75 years old Jewish and trying to use outdated arguments which dont work anymore.
Strap in for some antisemitic outrage. You arent allowed to criticise Jews anymore. There is this horror of doing so which elicits your support of the Holocaust.
It is about time this baloney stopped. Israel is as capable of violating human rights as anyone else.
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Post by see2 on Nov 8, 2023 21:42:48 GMT
Around 1.5million Arabs live in Israel already. Well what do you believe should happen to the Arabs not living there who are not living in another Arab state? Israel to incorporate them with full rights in a single state where Jews and Arabs are equal? A one state solution? Or a two state solution in which the Palestinians have their own state. If neither, what do you want to do with these Arabs? Nothing, because they don't exist, they are the product of someone's imagination. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 8, 2023 21:48:55 GMT
So when challenged by facts you have twice accused your opposition of being immature. That would be a case for moderators' control due to personal abuse instead of engaging in the facts of the subject. I know, but seeing that my comments are the product of the repeated lies and insults by the same poster, then the Mod would perhaps need to explain why the poster got away so much. And might even comment on how restrained I am with nonsense posters. |
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